On Monday 02 March 2009, Margo Koppelmann wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com
wrote:
Now I know, that I won't want to buy GTA03, even if I had enough money
(ok ok, if only i was some millionaire i would buy it, but until i'm
not, there are other
This is a case where there is AFAIK no one size fits all sensing
technology;
Going to a capacitive screen will allow GTA03 to be used in some scenarios
where GTA02 can't, and vice versa.
I've been following this with mild interest for a while, and so far I
haven't really seen anything you
Am Tuesday 03 March 2009 20:59:20 schrieb The Digital Pioneer:
This is a case where there is AFAIK no one size fits all sensing
technology;
Going to a capacitive screen will allow GTA03 to be used in some
scenarios where GTA02 can't, and vice versa.
I've been following this with mild
Well, there is no (massmarket) implementation of multi-touch using resistive
touch technology. There has been one link in this thread to
one that is being developed, but that technology was not yet finished if I
remember correctly, and it was not licensed to any manufacturer
of touch panels.
A
Which is exactly why resistive can use fingers too. :P
Just noting, I find it ironic that you talk of multi-touch resistive as
being an unfinished technology, in relation to the Freerunner. :)
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Well, the _hardware_ parts of any version of the free-runner are pretty darn
rigid, no apt-get update to those.. So, updating
the resistive touch panel to multi-touch is undoable; however much effort is
put in by the software developers... The
software parts don't need to be so finished though,
William Kenworthy wrote:
I can see the reasons for this ($'s in the door), but theres no reason
the gta04 wont be more like what we want. Even if its still got a
640x480 screen, I wont be buying a gta03 unless it BOTH is an advance on
the FR (which means it stays with a resistive screen),
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Now I know, that I won't want to buy GTA03, even if I had enough money
(ok ok, if only i was some millionaire i would buy it, but until i'm
not, there are other possibilities to spend money :P). My using
scenario of
But if the GTA03 would have a hardware keyboard and some joystick or
trackball or something like this to use as a mouse, then the
capacitive screen would not be a problem.
then it would have been called G1.
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El día Saturday, February 28, 2009 a las 02:48:24PM +0700, Sean McNeil escribió:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
...
That's to simple saying some/other advantages; the key point is that
with a capacitive touch screens we will loose the possibility to control
this as any other X11 server, i.e.
Friedrich Clausen wrote:
As far as I can see, the ultimate goal of the OpenMoko project is to
give everyone the chance to use a phone with a completely free (as in
freedom) software stack.
Right.
For that to succeed I think a Capacitive
screen is better since you only need your fingers and
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:
Friedrich Clausen wrote:
As far as I can see, the ultimate goal of the OpenMoko project is to
give everyone the chance to use a phone with a completely free (as in
freedom) software stack.
Right.
For that to
On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 13:35 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Friday, February 27, 2009 a las 01:15:01PM +0100, Friedrich Clausen
escribió:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no
wrote:
Friedrich Clausen wrote:
As far as I can see, the ultimate
On 2/27/09, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Ok, as I think that we have now exchanged enough good arguments to stay with
resistive in GTA03 and I have not seen any strong argument to move to
capacitive screen,
I don't think we can draw this conclusion, it's your opinion. What we
can
Capacitive enforce stylus-free operation, resistive allows it too.
moreover a(some?) resistive screen can have multitouch:
http://hackaday.com/2009/02/19/stantums-high-precision-multitouch/
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Helge Hafting wrote:
But even non-techies may like some of the things you can do with a
stylus. Such as handwriting, or drawing sketches. Capacitive screens
won't give you the option.
+1 for handwriting. Bonus point for usable recognition. A stylus
attached/embedded in the case would
El día Friday, February 27, 2009 a las 02:43:30PM +0100, Simon Kagstrom
escribió:
On 2/27/09, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Ok, as I think that we have now exchanged enough good arguments to stay with
resistive in GTA03 and I have not seen any strong argument to move to
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Friday, February 27, 2009 a las 02:43:30PM +0100, Simon Kagstrom
escribió:
On 2/27/09, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Ok, as I think that we have now exchanged enough good arguments to stay with
resistive in GTA03 and I have not seen any
On Feb 26, 2009, at 08:46 , Pander wrote:
Steve 'dillo Okay wrote:
On Feb 26, 2009, at 08:01 , Shawn Trash Thompson wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick
Moko escribió:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive vs http://
El día Thursday, February 26, 2009 a las 08:46:54AM +0100, Pander escribió:
Steve 'dillo Okay wrote:
On Feb 26, 2009, at 08:01 , Shawn Trash Thompson wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick
Moko escribió:
Margo Koppelmann wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Trash Thompson
mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote:
Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is
designed where a stylus isn't needed. I actually was rather fond of the
iPhone screen and was very
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:55, Shawn Trash Thompson
mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote:
Point taken but my fat fingers work great on the iPhone and not so on the
FR. Also it often registers my drag on the FR as a click whereas the
Capacitive touchscreen of the iPhone and T-Mobile G1 easily
Pander wrote:
Shawn Trash Thompson wrote:
Margo Koppelmann wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Shawn Trash Thompson
mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote:
Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is
designed where a stylus isn't needed. I
El día Thursday, February 26, 2009 a las 10:44:02AM +0100, Pander escribió:
Have you ever used the Terminal of the Moko to keyin UNIX commands?
I've been using the Freerunner without a stylus for months now. And I've
used the terminal quite a lot, as well as inputing http
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:20, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input
Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS
Terminal: useable for terminal/UNIX, but only with stylus
that's the situation at the moment;
But... it's normal, good
El día Thursday, February 26, 2009 a las 11:23:48AM +0100, Johny Tenfinger
escribió:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:20, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input
Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS
Terminal: useable for
On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:20 , Matthias Apitz wrote:
[...]
Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input
Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS
Terminal: useable for terminal/UNIX, but only with stylus
Hmmmit seems as if the problem with the default is that it
doesn't
El día Thursday, February 26, 2009 a las 11:38:45AM +0100, Steve 'dillo Okay
escribió:
On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:20 , Matthias Apitz wrote:
[...]
Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input
Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS
Terminal: useable for terminal/UNIX,
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Thursday, February 26, 2009 a las 11:23:48AM +0100, Johny Tenfinger
escribió:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:20, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote:
Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input
Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS
Terminal:
Steve 'dillo Okay wrote:
On Feb 26, 2009, at 11:20 , Matthias Apitz wrote:
[...]
Default: unuseable for terminal/UNIX input
Numbers: unuseable for terminal/UNIX, not even for SMS
Terminal: useable for terminal/UNIX, but only with stylus
Hmmmit seems as if the problem with the
Just about all phone manufacturers are going to capacitive screens as
they virtually eliminate accidental touches in something like a purse or
pocket.
Won't capacitive react to metal keys?
Anyway, this is not a problem with the FR either - I lock it with the
AUX button before it goes in
I personally need my precision. I carry my stylus with me all the time, it's
not really a problem.
As to a predictive terminal keyboard, why are we considering the feasibility
of a dictionary with all the filenames and whatnot? Just integrate
tab-completion. Populate the suggestion list with the
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 02:03:13PM +0700, Sean McNeil wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick
Moko escribió:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive
vs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Capacitive
Well, I can't play SCUMMVM games as it is now. The mouse and stylus get WAY
desynced and I can't click most of the screen. But that's a software bug,
not a hardware issue.
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On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 08:34:38AM +0100, Steve 'dillo Okay wrote:
I have to agree here. Styli are more a hindrance than a help. I find
I'm always leaving my stylus or retracted pen somewhere and looking
for another.
However the following are what makes a resistive screen clearly better,
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:33:22PM +0100, GNUtoo wrote:
Just about all phone manufacturers are going to capacitive screens as
they virtually eliminate accidental touches in something like a purse or
pocket.
They also eliminate precision.
That is a problem for some applications...for
While I'd like a capacitive touch screen for GTA03, I'm pretty sure
that Openmoko has already made up its mind for one of the solutions and
I don't think we can change it here. I'm fine with that.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:45:10 +
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
However the
On Thursday 26 February 2009, Shawn Trash Thompson wrote:
Ever used an iPhone? their screen is nice, responsive and the gui is
designed where a stylus isn't needed. I actually was rather fond of the
iPhone screen and was very unimpressed with the GTA02's touchscreen in
comparison.
I've tried
Simon Kagstrom schrieb:
While I'd like a capacitive touch screen for GTA03, I'm pretty sure
that Openmoko has already made up its mind for one of the solutions and
I don't think we can change it here. I'm fine with that.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:45:10 +
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:38:03 +0100
Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote:
a little OT, but... why have you folks been waitong for so long to
discuss/complain about that it's been in the wiki for weeks(months?)?
It has been discussed on this list since at least last
Now I know, that I won't want to buy GTA03, even if I had enough money
(ok ok, if only i was some millionaire i would buy it, but until i'm
not, there are other possibilities to spend money :P). My using
scenario of touch screen of Linux based phone needs resistive screen.
Capacitive is not an
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick Moko
escribió:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive
vs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Capacitive
Thanks;
But: Do we really want a GTA03 which can't be managed with a
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick Moko
escribió:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive
vs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Capacitive
Thanks;
But: Do we really want a GTA03 which can't be managed with
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 02:03:13PM +0700, Sean McNeil wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick Moko
escribió:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive
vs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Capacitive
On Feb 26, 2009, at 08:01 , Shawn Trash Thompson wrote:
Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Wednesday, February 25, 2009 a las 06:36:31PM +0100, Yorick
Moko escribió:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Resistive vs http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Capacitive
Thanks; But: Do we
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