Re: [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype

2012-05-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Matthias, Am 01.05.2012 um 19:17 schrieb Matthias Apitz: El día Tuesday, May 01, 2012 a las 06:06:23PM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Hi, we have developed a prototype for a 80 button QWERTY keyboard PCB that could eventually be connected/integrated into the GTA04

Re: [ANN] GTA04 Keyboard prototype

2012-05-01 Thread Brian
On Tue, 1 May 2012 18:06:23 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Hi, we have developed a prototype for a 80 button QWERTY keyboard PCB that could eventually be connected/integrated into the GTA04. It should fit into a specially designed battery cover so that you can

Re: [Gta04-owner] Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community

2012-04-30 Thread Martin Jansa
that the iphone guys have. I will probably not be doing any soldering on my GTA04 for a while, but it might be something interesting to add to GTA05. I think the BMP085 in GTA04 is something the iphone guys don't have. Getting some clues for the upcoming weather is very useful when you

Re: [Gta04-owner] Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community

2012-04-30 Thread Matthias Apitz
Hi, Can we do such discussion please in only one mailing-list; it really does not help sending every message twice :-) I propose using community@lists.openmoko.org Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on

Re: [Gta04-owner] Meeting at LinuxTag Berlin

2012-04-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Vladimir, Am 29.04.2012 um 18:56 schrieb Vladimir Zapolskiy: Hi Nikolaus, On 28.04.2012 12:30, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, I have applied for a project meeting point (not a stand - that would require a better organized Openmoko community to provide stand staffing for 4 full

Re: [Gta04-owner] Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community

2012-04-30 Thread NeilBrown
. I've recently discovered that my approach to power-management for wifi and bluetooth is less than perfect. Among other things it doesn't actually set the voltage properly, so we are running on 2.8V rather than 3.1V. I think I know how to fix it though. I recently tried 3.4-rc4 on my GTA04

Re: [Gta04-owner] Meeting at LinuxTag Berlin

2012-04-29 Thread Vladimir Zapolskiy
Hi Nikolaus, On 28.04.2012 12:30, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, I have applied for a project meeting point (not a stand - that would require a better organized Openmoko community to provide stand staffing for 4 full days). It you plan to come to Berlin, please register through a doodle

Bare GTA02 motherboards from GTA04 upgrade for sale

2012-04-24 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Every time we upgrade a GTA02 to a GTA04-Complete (OpenPhoenux) there remains a spare GTA02 motherboard for which we have no good ideas what to do with them. But I think the community is much more creative to do something useful with them (what about making a piece of art out of it ? Isn't

[ANN] GTA04 Status

2012-04-23 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, I think it is time to share some update on the GTA04 overall status and where I think it can go. 1. Software appears to be in a quite good shape now, QtMoko as well as SHR. Last Thursday we had a meeting (Stammtisch) in Munich with approx. 5 or 6 working GTA04 in many different

Re: [Gta04-owner] Next Openmoko Stammtisch in Munich

2012-04-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, please don't forget to come. It is tomorrow 19:00! Thanks Lukas for organizing the reservation, Nikolaus Am 09.04.2012 um 17:49 schrieb Lukas Märdian: Hi, On 07.04.2012 17:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am not sure if everybody is monitoring the http://freeyourphone.de forum,

Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v44

2012-04-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Radek, Am 12.04.2012 um 15:40 schrieb Radek Polak: Hi, QtMoko v44 is now available for download [1]. This should be best QtMoko release for GTA04 and i think i can recommend it for daily use. The GTA04 HW adaption is now nearly finished. Changes since v43: * using 115200

Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v44

2012-04-12 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 15:40, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Hi, QtMoko v44 is now available for download [1]. This should be best QtMoko release for GTA04 and i think i can recommend it for daily use. The GTA04 HW adaption is now nearly finished. Radek, that's looking great! I can't

Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v44

2012-04-12 Thread Radek Polak
it). So if you have fast speed enable it will work on high speed, if not it will talk on 115200. See: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2012-April/002118.html Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community

Re: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko v44

2012-04-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
/gta04-owner/2012-April/002118.html Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [Gta04-owner] Next Openmoko Stammtisch in Munich

2012-04-09 Thread Lukas Märdian
Hi, On 07.04.2012 17:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I am not sure if everybody is monitoring the http://freeyourphone.de forum, but I have seen that the next Stammtisch is now scheduled for Wednesday, 18th April 2012, 19:00 in Munich, Germany:

GTA04: hidden LTE feature found

2012-04-01 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
with the AT commands this morning and found this command: gta04:~# ./femtocom /dev/ttyHS_Application ati ati Manufacturer: Option N.V. Model: GTM601 Revision: 1.7.4.0 (Date: Jan 5 2011, Time: 11:14:34) OK atlte atlte OK atlte1 atlte1 OK atlet0 atlet0 ERROR atlte0 atlte0 OK atlet1 ERROR As you

Re: [Gta04-owner] Perfect on screen keyboard?

2012-03-27 Thread Neil Jerram
Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz writes: Any other ideas for nice and usable keyboards? I'm wondering about dasher, controlled by slight tilt movements, which would be detected by the accelerometer and/or gyroscope. Dasher already runs on the GTA04 with finger/stylus control, but there are two

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / accelerometer patch

2012-03-20 Thread Christ van Willegen
Hello Mayeul, list, On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 23:40, Mayeul Kauffmann mayeul.kauffm...@free.fr wrote: Hi, Great, that was fast! Looking forward to see the results of the test and, hopefully, get something to test integration! Two requests: - Please, don't top-post (don't put your reply at the

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / accelerometer patch

2012-03-20 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
2012 07:43:55 +0100 To: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners gta04-ow...@goldelico.com Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / accelerometer patch Hello Mayeul, list, On Mon, Mar 19

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA-04 Tour boards?

2012-03-20 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 20.03.2012 um 15:57 schrieb Lukas Märdian: On 20.03.2012 15:45, Iain B. Findleton wrote: Anybody know when the boards would be available for shipment? I would like to pick one up in Germany in April if that is possible. Well, we are behind production schedule, even for the from stock

Re: [Gta04-owner] Fwd: MFS Talk. Tues, 20 Mar. OpenPheonux (GTA04): Return of the free phone by Michael Dorrington

2012-03-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
I have added a link to the Events page: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Events/ Am 19.03.2012 um 08:49 schrieb Michael Dorrington: On 14/03/12 10:42, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for this support! Am 14.03.2012 um 10:11 schrieb Michael Dorrington

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-19 Thread mayeul . kauffmann
Hi Liz, Yes you are right 8-( The issue from a GTA4 point of view is that I would need to load one dataset more in the GTA04: both new and old OSM datasets. Or maybe merge the datasets and build a map suitable for GTA04, clearly showing the licence status... From OSM point of view (so maybe

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / camera heading

2012-03-19 Thread mayeul . kauffmann
, including I believe for 360 degrees correction. Note that typical use is keeping the device vertical, so code in [1] is not OK [3] Discusses the LSM303DLH chip included in the GTA04, and gives 2 links for code computing the tilt-corrected heading: [4] Arduino code for LSM303DLH [5] In Ressources tab

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / camera heading

2012-03-19 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
. Any pointer and sample strings? See the 2.6.32 driver documentation: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Sensors/ But as Christoph said they are not part of the the 3.2 kernels. The LSM303DLH combines both 3D compass and accelerometer, so is the HMC5883L usefull

Re: [Gta04-owner] Fwd: MFS Talk. Tues, 20 Mar. OpenPheonux (GTA04): Return of the free phone by Michael Dorrington

2012-03-19 Thread Martix
Thanks. Will you attend with GTA04 project? :-) Dne 19.3.2012 09:03, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napsal(a): I have added a link to the Events page: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Events/ Am 19.03.2012 um 08:49 schrieb Michael Dorrington: On 14/03/12 10:42, Dr. H. Nikolaus

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / accelerometer patch

2012-03-19 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
the BMA180 accelerometer. It should apply to the 3.2-gta04 tree. I have not tested it lately, so it may just fail. When my flat battery is recharged I can test it too. The LSM303DLH combines both 3D compass and accelerometer, so is the HMC5883L usefull for this application? We planned to use

Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
Hi, I'm looking for a handled GPS device for advance OpenStreetMap surveying and I hope the GTA04 Phoenix would do what I need. A few words on the project: 80-day mapping party, hiking, crossing the Alps (Summer 2012), 20 people involved (many of them for just a few days). Sleeping in Alpine Huts

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Mayeul Kauffmann mayeul.kauffm...@free.fr writes: A few words on the project: 80-day mapping party, hiking, crossing the Alps (Summer 2012), 20 people involved (many of them for just a few I've personally used GTA02 with large external battery and external GPS antenna. This way you can keep

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
Le dimanche 18 mars 2012 à 14:34 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit : I used another GTA02 to make audio notes and a cheap and small digital camera to take photos. As long as all clocks are synchronized you can combine all the data with your netbook later. Thanks a lot Timo! I already do

GTA04 booting SHR in 17 seconds

2012-03-18 Thread Lukas Märdian
Hey! I've just uploaded a video showing the GTA04 booting SHR in just 17 seconds without any optimizations (from the kernel startup to the PIN dialog)! Please have a look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9TJ4IGtKh4 ( HTML5 player available here: http://www.youtube.com/html5 ) Cheers

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Ed Kapitein
On 03/18/2012 02:25 PM, Mayeul Kauffmann wrote: Le dimanche 18 mars 2012 à 14:34 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors a écrit : I used another GTA02 to make audio notes and a cheap and small digital camera to take photos. As long as all clocks are synchronized you can combine all the data with your

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
Thanks a lot ed! Having a gpx extract is great (I'm currently playing with it). Yes, 'hdop', 'fix' and 'sat' are the 3 main fields I need for precision. What is course? I found Instantaneous course at the point (in degrees) [1] but I do not understand. Anybody could confirm that GTA04 gives

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Mayeul Kauffmann mayeul.kauffm...@free.fr writes: the gta04-owner list too). Also: What about orientation? You need a compass. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
not understand. course is the direction of movement relative to the north-direction. Anybody could confirm that GTA04 gives this as well? (I've just asked the gta04-owner list too). Also: What about orientation? Yes, the GTA04 chip provides all these NMEA records: $GPRMC $GPGSA $GPGSV $GPGGA

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 18.03.2012 um 13:16 schrieb Mayeul Kauffmann: Hi, I'm looking for a handled GPS device for advance OpenStreetMap surveying and I hope the GTA04 Phoenix would do what I need. A few words on the project: 80-day mapping party, hiking, crossing the Alps (Summer 2012), 20 people involved

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / camera heading

2012-03-18 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
) of picture (in exif or elsewhere; tilt is bonus). Post-processing is an option for position but probably not for heading and tilt. How good are the pictures? Are there online examples of pictures taken with the GTA04? We do not yet have a working Linux driver (the existing driver does

Re: [Gta04-owner] Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / camera heading

2012-03-18 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
and tilt. How good are the pictures? Are there online examples of pictures taken with the GTA04? We do not yet have a working Linux driver (the existing driver does not initialize the image capture subsystem correctly) and therefore we have not been able to take pictures for quality comparisons

Re: Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-18 Thread Lionel Broche
ok, i will see what I can do once I have the phone and my reprap is working :) On 17 March 2012 18:03, Adam Bogacki adam.boga...@clear.net.nz wrote: Not that I know of, but I would volunteer to test it. :-) Adam adam.boga...@clear.net.nz On -9/01/37 07:59, Lionel Broche wrote: just

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / compass

2012-03-18 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
' and 'sat' are the 3 main fields I need for precision. What is course? I found Instantaneous course at the point (in degrees) [1] but I do not understand. Anybody could confirm that GTA04 gives this as well? (I've just asked the gta04-owner list too). Also: What about orientation

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / compass

2012-03-18 Thread Alexander Lehner
Mayeul, respect for the tour that you planned. I'm an OSM'ler as well and know a lot of alpine 'freaks' which are not related to OSM at all - so this journey seems a lovely marriage between both projects, but... How do you want satisfy power consumption of the device(s) that you will need?

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04? / batteries

2012-03-18 Thread Mayeul Kauffmann
Hi, Thanks for the questions and the comments! We will sleep every night in a managed alpine hut or hotel (depending on place). I did the hike and sleep in a tent 15 years ago and know I will not resist 80 days now! Last Summer I crossed the Dolomites with a 8 kg backpack. This year I will carry

Re: Advance OpenStreetMap surveying with GTA04?

2012-03-18 Thread Liz
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:16:48 +0100 Mayeul Kauffmann mayeul.kauffm...@free.fr wrote: I need a GPS receiver to: 1- find our way 2- know what is already in OSM database (with full tags) Between now and your trip time is the 1st April, on which date an unknown quantity of data will be purged from

Re: Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-17 Thread Adam Bogacki
Not that I know of, but I would volunteer to test it. :-) Adam adam.boga...@clear.net.nz On -9/01/37 07:59, Lionel Broche wrote: just adding my two pence: it may not satisfy every users, but has any company ever made a forearm-attached casing? some phone that you could clip on your left

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-16 Thread Lionel Broche
just adding my two pence: it may not satisfy every users, but has any company ever made a forearm-attached casing? some phone that you could clip on your left forearm, so that the keyboard and the screeen would be steady while your right arm writes down. Plus, there would be no danger of stealing.

Status of the GTA04 Group Tour

2012-03-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Just two weeks left over to get subscribers, makes me think that it is time to look at the order indicator. We have achieved 41%. This is a big step forward after the 25% during FOSDEM time and shows that we have a growing support. Thanks to all those who see a future for the GTA04

Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
During the Openmoko Stammtisch Munich yesterday, we have once again discussed options to build a special GTA04 keyboard. And now I think we have found a way to really square the circle. The square being functionality and the circle being cost. The idea is to use: * off-the shelf pushbutons

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Gennady Kupava
hand is not possible. Before implementing such detached keyboard, buy bluetooth one in shop and try it - you'll find it completely useless :) So, keyboard on phone should be build-in and usable... and i don't know how should look something better than keyboard on n900. If gta04 have hw keyboard, i

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Martin Jansa
-4-review/ If gta04 have hw keyboard, i buy it immediately as a every-day phone. Linux has excellent set of command-line tools and it's a crime not to have a hw keyboard on linux device. Agreed, that's why I also prefer more common layout with enough keys to map also '/', '|' etc. somewhere

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
. Well, we can't build a n900 keyboard... But we can work on something that comes closer than no keyboard at all. If gta04 have hw keyboard, i buy it immediately as a every-day phone. Linux has excellent set of command-line tools and it's a crime not to have a hw keyboard on linux device

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
of extra row. http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/10/motorola-droid-4-review/ Yes, but do you think it does help to dream about the best keyboards made by (formerly?) big companies? They will most likely not do anything for our GTA02/04. So we have to roll up our own sleeves... If gta04 have hw keyboard

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Gennady Kupava
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 13:41 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: And why not add some hooks or joints so that you can clip together both parts after detaching them? What would be ok for me! But may be slider is not so complex? Put the battery and sim into lower part, some rails and it is

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Gerald A
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.comwrote: I fully agree on this, I have bought smaller keyboard (with USB cable) for freerunner and I don't use it very much, because as you said it's not really usable e.g. while sitting in train and trying to balance phone +

Re: Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 15 March 2012 12:57:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: During the Openmoko Stammtisch Munich yesterday, we have once again discussed options to build a special GTA04 keyboard. And now I think we have found a way to really square the circle. The square being functionality

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Martin Jansa
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:56:01AM -0400, Gerald A wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.comwrote: I fully agree on this, I have bought smaller keyboard (with USB cable) for freerunner and I don't use it very much, because as you said it's not really

Re: Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 15.03.2012 um 15:10 schrieb Al Johnson: On Thursday 15 March 2012 12:57:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: During the Openmoko Stammtisch Munich yesterday, we have once again discussed options to build a special GTA04 keyboard. And now I think we have found a way to really square

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Kai Lüke
Hey, I would like to have it rather swinging out than sliding. Then you could lock it at ca. 180° (with a bar or something) and by using the full back area of the case, it would be big enough for a expanded layout. As connector I would like USB more than bluetooth, but don't know how thin a cable

Re: Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 15 March 2012 15:30:34 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 15.03.2012 um 15:10 schrieb Al Johnson: On Thursday 15 March 2012 12:57:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: During the Openmoko Stammtisch Munich yesterday, we have once again discussed options to build a special GTA04

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Neil Jerram
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: Now comes the key idea: having a shapeways printed case makes it possible to think about a keyboard built into a replacement battery cover. It makes it a little thicker than normal, but you can detach it and use it as a keyboard. This

Re: Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread Joerg Eesmann
. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 15.03.2012 um 15:10 schrieb Al Johnson: On Thursday 15 March 2012 12:57:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: During the Openmoko Stammtisch Munich yesterday, we have once again discussed options to build a special GTA04 keyboard. And now I think we have found

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread EdorFaus
On 03/15/2012 01:41 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 15.03.2012 um 12:09 schrieb Gennady Kupava: This is because if you using one hand to hold phone, you have one one hand free. Holding and using keyboard with one hand is not possible. And why not add some hooks or joints so that you

Re: [Gta04-owner] Keyboard for GTA04

2012-03-15 Thread EdorFaus
On 03/16/2012 12:00 AM, EdorFaus wrote: clip it onto the side with the USB port use a standard USB keyboard module Aw, man... I just got this odd image in my head of a full-size standard qwerty keyboard with an angled docking port on the top - kinda like the iPod docks in some stereo

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_Group_Tour_Donations_Hub That's an excellent idea! I hope it gets used a lot! Me too. Christ van Willegen But it looks as if nobody is interested so far in getting a cheaper GTA04. Who proves me wrong? Nikolaus I'd like to - but how? I've

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: But we could also add the reversed direction of getting into contact: if you want to donate, add your contact data and the conditions (e.g. kernel/API development searched) I had used cofundus to good

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread Alexander Lehner
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: It looks as if we are in the strange situation that there are more donations than persons who want to have one... Even if subsidized. [...] I hope I could clarify some aspects. Great, thanks. I put myself on the wiki. Thinking about this

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-04 Thread Lionel Broche
the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected to external screens while powered, so that you could switch from tablet to phone? I just ask out of curiosity, but it would be fun to connect your phone

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 03.03.2012 um 11:00 schrieb Lionel Broche: Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected

Re: [Gta04-owner] what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
with the replaced parts? just sink them in the waste basket? hang on the wall? or do you have a meaningful solution? My intention is to use the remaining phone innards to experiment with and help develop, a 3D printable case. ___ Gta04-owner mailing list

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-03 Thread Lionel Broche
Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected to external screens while powered, so that you could switch from

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-03 Thread Al Johnson
On Saturday 03 March 2012 10:00:27 Lionel Broche wrote: Coming back to the original message, is it possible for an averaged-skilled person to carry out the customisation of the GTA04 board to change the connector? Also, would it be feasible to make a GTA04 module that could be connected

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: As far as I know, EAGLE 6 has a new XML format. So it should be possible to convert the file using the free (beer) version to XML. And from there to any tool of interest. Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with some patches for schematics, right? Couldn't Goldelicious

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. OpenOffice

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Davide Scaini
this is funny... you can use the same argument for windows. So GTA04 is not totally free snd then we can all buy an huawey+android phone... Bye d On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 02.03.2012 um 10:04 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:20 schrieb Patryk Benderz: [cut] Ok. The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step. Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with some

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl writes: Indeed it doesn't look good. IIRC Openmoko used GPL tools (KiCAD?) with Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process.

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: No, I would not conclude that. One just needs to develop a file import converter for any free CAD software, if it does not yet exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 02.03.2012 um 10:29 schrieb Davide Scaini: this is funny... you can use the same argument for windows. So GTA04 is not totally free snd then we can all buy an huawey+android phone... If you think huawey+android is free enough for you... Get one and try to design an adapter board

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Just a note because I

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
exist. Hmm, let me rephrase it then: The summary seems to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: Yes. Right. Somebody else has to jump in. We can't solve all problems of the world. Can you? Of course not, I was only trying to figure out the facts here. It is important that people realize what bits still need work.

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Fox Mulder
to be that if somebody wants to see the GTA04 schematics they have to use non-free software, at least for the initial conversion step, or develop an import plugin for EAGLE format. I read in a forum that it should be possible to import eagle 6.x files into the free designspark layout software. I

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Hrabosh
On Thursday 01 of March 2012 23:59:39 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Openmoko had the same problem. It was gta02-core project that pioneered an effort to convert the gta02 schematics to kicad format and improved kicad in the process. I am sorry, you are right, thanks for correcting me. Anyway my point stays valid. Couldn't KiCAD be used for this? --

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
. Of course you have to manually transfer the contents. http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/ Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] Yes, sure. The requirements to the design tool for such an adapter board are not heavy. It can be done on 2 layers in 6 mil traces. So I am sure you can design such adapters with KiCAD. Seems I was not clear enough. Can Timo Juhani Lindfors use KiCAD to open GTA04 schematics

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Lindfors use KiCAD to open GTA04 schematics? I think you should ask that on the KiCAD mailing list. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
The GTA04 is not only designed as a motherboard replacement for the Openmoko devices, but also as a core module to easily develop other devices from it. We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board (EAGLE 5.x format). It is designed to carry a 3.5 inch VGA touch

Re: GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board (EAGLE 5.x format). I understood that it was not possible to open EAGLE files with free software. Is this still the case?

Re: GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
The GTA04 is not only designed as a motherboard replacement for the Openmoko devices, but also as a core module to easily develop other devices from it. /me is interested if it is possible to put this into case of any currently-on-market phone with hardware keyboard (perhaps throwing away

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.03.2012 um 11:20 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: We now have released the schematics and board file of such an expander board (EAGLE 5.x format). I understood that it was not possible to open EAGLE files with free software. Is this

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com writes: There is a free (as in free beer) version of EAGLE with minor limitations. And any major CAD tool can import it. At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
At least two years ago when I was trying to find software that can open EAGLE files for Arduino boards I could not find any free software to do that. Maybe all the major CAD tools are non-free? The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2.

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation) I'm sure there are tools yes. I was just trying to ask if any of these can actually open the GTA04 EAGLE schematics that were advertised. Has anybody

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Gilles Filippini
? The two major professional and free EDA tools for PCBs are 1. KiCad http://kicad.sourceforge.net 2. gEDA http://www.geda-project.org There are many other related tools like Qucs (simulation) I'm sure there are tools yes. I was just trying to ask if any of these can actually open the GTA04

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Gilles Filippini
Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor, schematic editor, and an autorouter. The

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Fox Mulder
Am 01.03.2012 22:07, schrieb Gilles Filippini: Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board design tool Eagle includes a layout editor,

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Gilles Filippini p...@debian.org writes: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. You mean the one that is in the non-free section? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember for eagle. :) I don't want limits, sorry :-)

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.03.2012 um 22:47 schrieb Fox Mulder: Am 01.03.2012 22:07, schrieb Gilles Filippini: Gilles Filippini a écrit , Le 01/03/2012 22:04: The is a free light version of EAGLE in Debian. $ apt-cache show eagle Package: eagle Version: 5.12.0-1 [...] Description-en: Printed circuit board

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04-Custom: EAGLE schematics and board file blueprint for developing expansion/adapter boards

2012-03-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.03.2012 um 22:59 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Fox Mulder quakem...@gmx.net writes: You can just install latest eagle 6.1 (win, linux, mac) and use it with light license for free which limits to 100x80mm board size and 2 layers. This freeware version exists as long as i can remember

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