Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the power drain? When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive After much study, I have discovered that the biggest power drain appears to be coming from certain posts on the mailing list which ridicule and demoralize the people actually doing the work in this community. When people volunteer to work on free software/hardware projects, they are doing something to make the world a better place and they should be paid back with, at the least, our respect. —Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline
Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste
time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the
board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the
power drain?
BTW: more support for that work from the community would speed up progress.
On Fri, 2014-01-17 at 09:57 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Looks like topic for a master or PhD thesis...
When you start working on the master or PhD thesis to resolve the power
drain, I'm sure you'll find the community will be more supportive
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:03:47 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Thanks a lot for the excellent advice! Now if you could elaborate on what exactly *is* the source of the problem, and particularly why it's not related to kernel's power management, according to your insight. Why are you not spending this time working on the power drain? See above! [...] /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:03 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: We ... are working on a 3.14 kernel and getting things mainline Why? The GTA04 is not usable as a daily phone. Why would you waste time on the kernel instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the power drain? Maybe you don't know or believe but the kernel controls the power drain. So working on the kernel is working on the power drain... Why do you waste time to write such mails instead of working on the problems that prevent the board being used? Why are you not spending this time working on the power drain? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
the kernel controls the power drain.
How has that been determined?
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Roughly same way as Pi -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 10:54:23 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Your initial rant sounded much similar to the plot: blame the architect for not working on the electrics of the house, to stop the excess energy expense caused by the residents not shutting down the heating when opening the windows. -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: void (was: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI)))
On Fri 21 February 2014 11:43:08 David Matthews wrote: Yes it is, and those who do not believe so should allow those of us that do value it to enjoy it in peace :-0 - I at least do not need to be told repeatedly how foolish I am for delighting over something someone else believes has zero worth Please don't polemize! Nobody has told you that you're foolish. You do that now, about those of us who question the purpose of changing IMEI (something that got lost in your mail's topic, as well as the thread reference that would've put this into context) -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us about the results. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
the kernel controls the power drain.
How has that been determined?
Please find the answer and tell us about the results.
This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that
the kernel controls the power drain. It implies that your assertion
was, in fact, just speculation. And if you don't know whether the
kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the
kernel is working on the power drain.
You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain. When
you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless
phone board, the community will be more supportive.
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Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us about the results. This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that the kernel controls the power drain. It implies that your assertion was, in fact, just speculation. And if you don't know whether the kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the kernel is working on the power drain. You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain. When you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless phone board, the community will be more supportive. please take it elsewhere! you evidently got NFC but think you can patronize and instruct others /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 work (was: Openmoko's downfall (was changing IMEI))
On Fri 21 February 2014 19:22:00 Bob Ham wrote: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 18:15 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 21.02.2014 um 10:54 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 10:22 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: the kernel controls the power drain. How has that been determined? Please find the answer and tell us about the results. This answer implies that you have nothing to back up your assertion that the kernel controls the power drain. It implies that your assertion was, in fact, just speculation. And if you don't know whether the kernel causes the power drain, then you can't know that working on the kernel is working on the power drain. You are not working directly on the problem of the power drain. When you start doing that work, instead of developing kernels for a useless phone board, the community will be more supportive. Nikolaus' answer just implies one thing: he noticed quicker than me that any answer to you is futile. Feel free to pick the right one matching to your statements from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments (alas the above page got scrapped due to resignation(!!), so here some supplementary links:) http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
