PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
William Kenworthy: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! Regards, Mark Weinem ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is supposed to be a part of kde, the use case is clearly a desktop computer. i don't think it would fit a small thing like the neo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is supposed to be a part of kde, the use case is clearly a desktop computer. i don't think it would fit a small thing like the neo. would be great if the KDE guys develop their system beyond the obsolete Desktop- my sister for example uses a mini netbook as her main desktop machine. Desktop systems should be equally usable and funcional on small devices as on powerful machines. Greetings, Mark ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
On Friday 17 October 2008 14:43:06 Mark Weinem wrote: Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is supposed to be a part of kde, the use case is clearly a desktop computer. i don't think it would fit a small thing like the neo. would be great if the KDE guys develop their system beyond the obsolete Desktop- my sister for example uses a mini netbook as her main desktop machine. Desktop systems should be equally usable and funcional on small devices as on powerful machines. And fortunately that is exaclty what some of us are working on. As part of this years google summer of code I've done some initial work on running kde on really small devices (openmoko neo1973 (too slow), freerunner (quite acceptable), and nokia n810 (similar to freerunner)). Of course speed and memory usage aren't the only problems, a much bigger problem is adapting the user interface to work well on small screens, but there is also some work going on in that area. About akonadi, I don't think mysql is the only available storage backend, and the main reasons they chose it as the default after evaluation several options aren't really valid on small devices anyway (problems with concurrent access/transactions/... I think, which shouldn't happen as much on a small device as on a powerful computer). Marijn Kruisselbrink ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
El día Friday, October 17, 2008 a las 02:43:06PM +0200, Mark Weinem escribió: Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is supposed to be a part of kde, the use case is clearly a desktop computer. i don't think it would fit a small thing like the neo. would be great if the KDE guys develop their system beyond the obsolete Desktop- my sister for example uses a mini netbook as her main desktop machine. Desktop systems should be equally usable and funcional on small devices as on powerful machines. I'm using for my daily business as a head of a development department a Fujitsu-Siemens laptop with FreeBSD 7.0 and KDE 3.5.8 (including OpenOffice 3.0beta); I cloned this system binary (i.e. made packages of what I have installed on this laptop) to a Asus netbook eeePC 900 to have the same suite of tools with me while walking around in my spare time; this is working just fine; and the FR is the ideal gadget to complete the eeePC to have it as a GPRS router to Internet, cellphone, etc. here you have a picture of both: http://www.unixarea.de/20081003-173025.jpg I've already returned my old BenQ cellphone to my company and I'm fully depending on the FR, which I think is stable enough to rely on it; matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e [EMAIL PROTECTED] - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ A computer is like an air conditioner, it stops working when you open Windows Una computadora es como aire acondicionado, deja de funcionar si abres Windows ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 14:02 +0200, Mark Weinem wrote: Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! The follow-up question to that is: Does it really _need_ MySQL, or does it just use the convenience of an SQL back-end? If it just needs SQL, then it could be altered to use SQLite. If it requires MySQL, then it may be more work to port to SQLite than to make something new. To me, the fact that there are so many PIM projects for Linux means two things: 1) It's fun to write one, and 2) Everyone has their own (possibly incompatible) requirements for what a PIM stack should do. I can see how it would be fun to write one, but with all the existing ones (EDS, various KDE-based ones, GPE, QTopia, etc.) I don't really want to. Plus I'm still fighting with building an OpenMoko environment (Fighting with MokoMakefile on a Fedora 8 box). But I do agree that there is a strong need for PIM functions on the phone. I also think it's something we as the community can do while leaving the Core Developers free to work on their stated projects. I would like some guidance from the folks at FreeSmartPhone.org (Since FSO is supposed to define a PIM API) but thus far it doesn't look like anything has been written about it yet. Ideally what I'd like to see is a front-end and back-end APIs for the PIM functions, so those who really like one PIM server or another (See above-mentioned ones) can plug-in whatever they like (Possibly with a shim that translates it for the FSO API). -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)
I used kdepimpi on my Linux Zaurus and found it very full-featured. I primarily used the datebook app. I keep hoping someone with more skill and time than I will port it to FR. It was built on top of Qtopia so it shouldn't be that formidable a task. -- Craig ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
