Re: Re: FreeRunner Happiness
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: Unfortunately it still does lack some basic phone functionality (mailbox alters, stable alarm etc) SHR seems to have stable alarm, so it'll come. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
Seconded. Regarding the software: It's awesome, and progressing very well Regarding the hardware: The Freerunner gods must be looking down on me. I've purchased 4 FRs (3 for work, 1 personal). Currently there are two sitting in data centers monitoring our critical infrastructure, one sitting next to my home server, and yet another sitting on my office desk. These devices fill very small niches. Anyways, onto the bad: I have avoided the GSM buzz bug, #666, etc... The only bugs I have experienced are the SDHC card failure (Stupid, crappy glamo, we really should bitch out Smedia..., see below for contact info), and the GSM echo. I gotta say, well done. Keep it coming. Smedia's addresses: 8F., No.1, Jinshan 7th St., Hsinchu City, Taiwan Tel: +886-3-6661166 Fax: +886-3-5670055 Addr :9F,No.233-1, Baociao Rd.,Sindian City, Taipei County 23145.Taiwan. Tel: +886-2-2918-9958 Fax: +886-2-2918-9975 E-mail addresses: market...@smediatech.com sa...@smediatech.com If you contact Smedia, please don't say you have a direct affiliation with the OM project, I'm sure Sean and Steve would not approve. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Greg lun...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Hi, With all the recent talk about FR problems I think its a good time to share my recent good experiences. When the kernel with the WSOD fix went into testing I immediately installed a clean image on a 2Gb SD card. I changed the boot params to remove the ro, installed Raster's keyboard, I got rid of the default keyboard, switched to the illume theme, changed the engine to the software_x, and imported my contacts. I've been using it as a daily phone for a week now with no problems. No WSOD (Yay!), no recamping issues, only one caller mentioned echo (their end was loud, so I turned the vol down - sorted). Everything just worked. Sure, the UI seems a bit slow, and answering calls can take a bit of guessing as to when the audio paths are setup, but I'm really happy with it. I get about 60 hours before the battery icon starts to go red, which is not a huge amount, but easily enough to work with. Now I have a phone with a notepad, an ebook reader, a PDF reader, and a GPS. This means I can always take notes, refer to manuals and locate new sites. Since I work for a systems integration company this is great stuff - its like having a toolkit and reference set in my pocket. Oh yeah - it is also a phone :-) Have fun, Greg. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
Greg wrote: I changed the boot params to remove the ro, How did you do that? I tried many times to boot the testing image from microSD but it always complained about the ro option. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 00:36 -0800, Sargun Dhillon wrote: Seconded. ... Anyways, onto the bad: I have avoided the GSM buzz bug, #666, etc... The only bugs I have experienced are the SDHC card failure (Stupid, crappy glamo, we really should bitch out Smedia..., see below for contact info), and the GSM echo. I gotta say, well done. Keep it coming. Smedia's addresses: 8F., No.1, Jinshan 7th St., Hsinchu City, Taiwan Tel: +886-3-6661166 Fax: +886-3-5670055 Addr :9F,No.233-1, Baociao Rd.,Sindian City, Taipei County 23145.Taiwan. Tel: +886-2-2918-9958 Fax: +886-2-2918-9975 E-mail addresses: market...@smediatech.com sa...@smediatech.com I really like this idea. I know we can contact Openmoko and sign the NDA to get the data sheet, but it seems to negate the point of free software for me (everything being open and developing as a community). Here http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1505667i40 Wolfgang Spraul feels promises were broken in regards to opening documentation- so our letters of complaint would be valid. If enough pissed off people write in, would they open up the specs? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
I really like this idea. I know we can contact Openmoko and sign the NDA to get the data sheet, but it seems to negate the point of free software for me (everything being open and developing as a community). Here http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1505667i40 Wolfgang Spraul feels promises were broken in regards to opening documentation- so our letters of complaint would be valid. If enough pissed off people write in, would they open up the specs? Actually, they will probably just delete your e-mails and trash your mails. I tried: On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:37:27 +0300 *...@. wrote: Hello, I'm writing on this address only because it was the only e-mail contact I found on your site. If it's possible for you to forward it to a more relevant department (management, engineering, design, ...) then please do so. My questions regard your Glamo 3362 chip that is used in my new phone - Neo Freerunner. I'm wondering on the constraints that you have set on the documentation concerning this chip. As you probably know, Openmoko is all about freedom, both in software and hardware. This has managed the company to draw a considerable community around it, many members of it quite skilled in both software and hardware development. I'm not kidding myself with hoping you to make your hardware completely open but I would really care for letting the community have access to the documentation. As I've understood, your documentation is only available under heavy NDA and can thus only be accessed by Openmoko employees. For that reason the potential of your hardware remains largely unused. There are many new ideas that could be made work on the chip and quite a lot of problems that could easily be engineered around if we only had the means to. Unfortunately this is too big of a job for the Openmoko team to do by themselves (which is probably why they decided to abandon the Glamo chip for the next version of Freerunner - GTA03). This is why I ask if there is a possibility the Glamo documentation will be released to the public. What are the problems you expect following this potential action? What are the reasons the documentation has been kept secret for the time being? I would be most grateful if you could reply to these few questions and consider my points for a minute. I'm sure respecting and trusting your customers would open up a completely new market for your exellent hardware. I hope to hear from you soon, I did not receive a reply and reminded them two weeks later. Still haven't got a reply. You're welcome to try though. Perhaps they'll give in once enough of a number contacts them. Yogiz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
On Saturday 13 December 2008 20:26:21 ivvmm wrote: Greg wrote: I changed the boot params to remove the ro, How did you do that? I tried many times to boot the testing image from microSD but it always complained about the ro option. I had to change the boot params in NAND. Since I have set the NAND up to automatically boot from the uSD [1], I had notes from that, so I just changed to ro bit to rw. Greg. 1. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_from_sd_card ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
With all the recent talk about FR problems I think its a good time to share my recent good experiences. seconded... Sure everybody's mileage varies. At the beginning, I thought I will be able to play with Freerunner more than I became capable to do due to time constraints. Since FR became my primary phone from the first day I bought it right after it appeared for sales, I had no chance but to keep it running. Since some time I switched to FDOM, then I upgraded it with daily testing, broke it, figured out what was the problem, switched to illume theme, found why it segfaults in many places (report on the list and in bugreport about those evil shadows), so I didn't have to switch to software_x (which is slower), installed russian keyboard, installed more gadgets of all kinds, and the beast is running nicely -- I do use it as a daily phone, I do make/receive calls, I do send/receive SMS but really rarely, I do use GPS from time to time, battery time has improved considerably so I charge it whenever I recall to do so. Unfortunately it still does lack some basic phone functionality (mailbox alters, stable alarm etc), but I bet they will come ;) Sure thing there are glitches, and many people have different experience, but so far I see steady growth of improvement/fixes/new projects/joy. Thus -- I am only thankful to openmoko team and all the developers/users who spend their precious private time making freerunner the only thus the best ( ;) ) open-sourced phone. Keep on good work -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Happiness
ok, but its not all roses: If you switch to software_x, the gsm icon no longer shows signal the settings app no longer works (I think they are tied together) and I still miss/get delayed SMS messages when suspended (I can improve by removing the battery module, but thats a real pita as you cant tell at a glance what charge is left) but overall, a *LOT* better than 2008.9 BillK On Sat, 2008-12-13 at 11:47 +1100, Greg wrote: Hi, With all the recent talk about FR problems I think its a good time to share my recent good experiences. When the kernel with the WSOD fix went into testing I immediately installed a clean image on a 2Gb SD card. I changed the boot params to remove the ro, installed Raster's keyboard, I got rid of the default keyboard, switched to the illume theme, changed the engine to the software_x, and imported my contacts. I've been using it as a daily phone for a week now with no problems. No WSOD (Yay!), no recamping issues, only one caller mentioned echo (their end was loud, so I turned the vol down - sorted). Everything just worked. Sure, the UI seems a bit slow, and answering calls can take a bit of guessing as to when the audio paths are setup, but I'm really happy with it. I get about 60 hours before the battery icon starts to go red, which is not a huge amount, but easily enough to work with. Now I have a phone with a notepad, an ebook reader, a PDF reader, and a GPS. This means I can always take notes, refer to manuals and locate new sites. Since I work for a systems integration company this is great stuff - its like having a toolkit and reference set in my pocket. Oh yeah - it is also a phone :-) Have fun, Greg. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
