Re: WIKI still a POS
As Sean said , I really need more time to improve wiki . 1.Test cases is for Openmoko test team. I put it on main page , let them easy to find that. (That's why ). Yes, 90% of users won't use this link. I will discuss with our test team. Change the link to somewhere else. 2.Yes, from the very beginning , Software link, linked to Software category page, now , it link to Developer Guide. This page's aim is helping those new developer who want to join develop Softwares. Actually , in wiki , we had many page is talking about the software they want to share with others, I will make a link for them also. 3.My original idea is HARDWARE collect all page related to hardware. Neo 1973 and FR is alos belong to hardware. Actually , I want wiki have sub menu functions, just like drop down menu, or menu tree. That will do great help (I am survey now ). Brenda From Scott ??: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
I think we should take a lesson from Gentoo's wiki and make a big page with all the howtos. Also, how about this kind of structure?: 'Getting Started' or 'What are open phones?' (Or 'What are open palmtops?' might be better) 'Community Events' 'News' 'HOWTO Index' | \-etc etc. (Categorized, or bareing tags in their titles, based on what hardware / software they're refering to. Perhaps bareing a template that says what hardware, what versions it's known to work with, etc etc.) 'Hardware' | |-'Neo1973 / Neo Freerunner' (General) | | | |-'GPS Chip' (Detailed) | |-'GSM Modem' (Detailed) | \-etc etc. |-'Treo 650 - Partially Supported' \-etc etc. 'Distributions' | |- 'OpenMoko' (General) | |-'ASU' (Detailed) | |-'FSO' (Detailed) | \-'2007.2' (Detailed) |- 'QTopia for Neo phones' \- 'Debian' 'Open Phone Stacks' | |- 'OpenMoko FSO Specification' |- 'Android' \- 'QTopia' I'd love to volunteer to tidy the wiki up. Also, it might be better to just fork the openmoko wiki and make another one (Since the GNU FDL allows it, and the 'openmoko' URL isn't entirely appropriate if we're talking about Debian+Android running on a Treo, as an example.) How would all of you feel about that? P.S. I agree with the sentiment below. As well, developers and power users with special applications need detailed documentation even on mainstream phones. On Wednesday 30 July 2008 13:47:08 steve wrote: Perfectly put -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Wilson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:37 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phone. To me it's a complete programmable handheld computer which happens to have a GSM phone feature. The phone is a fairly insignificant feature for some of us. If all you want is a phone, go to the supermarket, they have really nice ones there that don't come with any significant documentation. I use one myself. I am trying to develop GPS software for the OM. I have had about 15 minutes a day to work on it so far but it's been fun. I don't really care (much) about navigation features, I care about data collection. The competition is not TangoGPS or Garmin or Tom-Tom or anything OM is likely to come out with. Therefore documentation is vitally important to me. Incidentally I borrowed a friend's T-Mobile SIM card and tried the phone feature yesterday. It worked fine (including the documentation). Brian On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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+1 to structure and the how-to I thing is a great proposal I enjoy a lot gentoo wiki we I haved use it, and the tagging/template content will be a help to auto organize it -1 to fork Content is almost in the wiki and if the tagging approach is taked I will try to help in organizing(tagging content) -1 to url inapropiate gentoo almost include other_distro-portage/distcc without exiting gentoo.org and I never care about it El jue, 31-07-2008 a las 10:05 -0400, Daniel Benoy escribió: I think we should take a lesson from Gentoo's wiki and make a big page with all the howtos. Also, how about this kind of structure?: 'Getting Started' or 'What are open phones?' (Or 'What are open palmtops?' might be better) 'Community Events' 'News' 'HOWTO Index' | \-etc etc. (Categorized, or bareing tags in their titles, based on what hardware / software they're refering to. Perhaps bareing a template that says what hardware, what versions it's known to work with, etc etc.) 'Hardware' | |-'Neo1973 / Neo Freerunner' (General) | | | |-'GPS Chip' (Detailed) | |-'GSM Modem' (Detailed) | \-etc etc. |-'Treo 650 - Partially Supported' \-etc etc. 'Distributions' | |- 'OpenMoko' (General) | |-'ASU' (Detailed) | |-'FSO' (Detailed) | \-'2007.2' (Detailed) |- 'QTopia for Neo phones' \- 'Debian' 'Open Phone Stacks' | |- 'OpenMoko FSO Specification' |- 'Android' \- 'QTopia' I'd love to volunteer to tidy the wiki up. Also, it might be better to just fork the openmoko wiki and make another one (Since the GNU FDL allows it, and the 'openmoko' URL isn't entirely appropriate if we're talking about Debian+Android running on a Treo, as an example.) How would all of you feel about that? P.S. I agree with the sentiment below. As well, developers and power users with special applications need detailed documentation even on mainstream phones. On Wednesday 30 July 2008 13:47:08 steve wrote: Perfectly put -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Wilson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:37 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phone. To me it's a complete programmable handheld computer which happens to have a GSM phone feature. The phone is a fairly insignificant feature for some of us. If all you want is a phone, go to the supermarket, they have really nice ones there that don't come with any significant documentation. I use one myself. I am trying to develop GPS software for the OM. I have had about 15 minutes a day to work on it so far but it's been fun. I don't really care (much) about navigation features, I care about data collection. The competition is not TangoGPS or Garmin or Tom-Tom or anything OM is likely to come out with. Therefore documentation is vitally important to me. Incidentally I borrowed a friend's T-Mobile SIM card and tried the phone feature yesterday. It worked fine (including the documentation). Brian On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIKI still a POS
I'd love to volunteer to tidy the wiki up. Also, it might be better to just fork the openmoko wiki and make another one (Since the GNU FDL allows it, and the 'openmoko' URL isn't entirely appropriate if we're talking about Debian+Android running on a Treo, as an example.) How would all of you feel about that? I agree the front page needs help. I suggest you make a rough draft so we could look at it and help polish it then swap it in if people think it looks good. You could call it Draft Main Page or something like that. I started tidying it up a few days ago. Hopefully I will make improvements and not just changes. Personally this is the only device I am looking at right now so a fork seems like a bad idea, it would just be another place I'd have to look. If I felt a need to compare OM with Android I'd prefer to see information in the OM wiki and links to the appropriate external Android pages. Brian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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There is no need to volunteer to edit a wiki ! It is based on trust. Just do what you think is obviously needed. If someone disagree they will simply revert your changes. I don't think forking is a good idea, we still have not completely moved the content from the old wiki to this new wiki. Here is a proposition for the Main Page rewamping : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ProposedMainPageRedesign (see the discussion at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page ) Unless Openmoko says no or some fellow community member convince me that it's not a significant improvement compared to the existing Main Page, I plan to commit these changes tomorrow before leaving for an extended familly vacations. What do you think ? PS: Sorry for crossposting from the Wiki Editors list, but this is the Main Page we are talking about so I assumed the community and Openmoko the company have to be notified. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/WIKI-still-a-POS-tp586543p663040.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: WIKI still a POS
Perfectly put -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Wilson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:37 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phone. To me it's a complete programmable handheld computer which happens to have a GSM phone feature. The phone is a fairly insignificant feature for some of us. If all you want is a phone, go to the supermarket, they have really nice ones there that don't come with any significant documentation. I use one myself. I am trying to develop GPS software for the OM. I have had about 15 minutes a day to work on it so far but it's been fun. I don't really care (much) about navigation features, I care about data collection. The competition is not TangoGPS or Garmin or Tom-Tom or anything OM is likely to come out with. Therefore documentation is vitally important to me. Incidentally I borrowed a friend's T-Mobile SIM card and tried the phone feature yesterday. It worked fine (including the documentation). Brian On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, Scott schrieb: [snip] I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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A phone without usable documentation is a door stop. Scott Robert Schuster wrote: I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone without usable documentation is a door stop. Scott Robert Schuster wrote: I was under the impression that OpenMoko is a company about selling a mobile phone not a community Wiki ... Regards Robert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Steven ** wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was for those of us who would embrace a machine with a learning-curve for extra capability. Probably the same crowd who uses Linux on the desktop. Kind of like the decision process that one goes through when choosing between, say, Linux and. Mac OS X for a particular user's desktop in a particular work-environment. Exactly like that, actually. -Luke P.S. I've been using Linux on my desktop nonstop since about 1998 and, despite all of the (and my), winging on listservs and on Slashdot, only two things have changed: * All of the platforms have gotten better. Much better. * The interoperability between platforms has gotten better. Provided that you can influence the choices that the server and the client make, anyway. (You might have to choose Zimbra over Exchange, for instance.) With the interoperability being so much improved, there's really no reason to evangelize platforms anymore -- at least if your server-admins will play ball and choose applications/protocols that are widely supported. So, just use what you like and let your co-workers do the same. If everyone talks the same protocols, there's no reason for any platform or application to be all things to all people -- the compromises required to do that is one of the reasons I rarely choose Microsoft products for my own use. Just make it good -- and don't worry about the rest. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven If you were to flash it with QTopia it would very nearly qualify. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Luke Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was for those of us who would embrace a machine with a learning-curve for extra capability. Probably the same crowd who uses Linux on the desktop. snip I read some time ago on one of the the Openmoko sites that OM/FICA needs or wants to sell 10 millions Neo's in 2008. I wanted to include a link for reference but can't find one. I think my point that they need to sell a lot of phones is still valid. I'm not flaming anyone. Just pointing out my opinion that just selling to nerds would be a good way to kill a device that needs, IMO, large numbers to be sustainable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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You misunderstand. A PHONE should need no documentation. The Neo is more than a phone. So, some features may need some documentation. But the phone part of it should just work. But really, I'm having trouble thinking of a feature I would use regularly that would be acceptable to require documentation. I hope I would only need documentation if I'm actually in the code making changes. -Steven On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Luke Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven ** wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. Then your co-workers should get iPhones! I thought OpenMoko was for those of us who would embrace a machine with a learning-curve for extra capability. Probably the same crowd who uses Linux on the desktop. Kind of like the decision process that one goes through when choosing between, say, Linux and. Mac OS X for a particular user's desktop in a particular work-environment. Exactly like that, actually. -Luke ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Maybe you are not happy because you think it's just a phone. To me it's a complete programmable handheld computer which happens to have a GSM phone feature. The phone is a fairly insignificant feature for some of us. If all you want is a phone, go to the supermarket, they have really nice ones there that don't come with any significant documentation. I use one myself. I am trying to develop GPS software for the OM. I have had about 15 minutes a day to work on it so far but it's been fun. I don't really care (much) about navigation features, I care about data collection. The competition is not TangoGPS or Garmin or Tom-Tom or anything OM is likely to come out with. Therefore documentation is vitally important to me. Incidentally I borrowed a friend's T-Mobile SIM card and tried the phone feature yesterday. It worked fine (including the documentation). Brian On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A phone that NEEDS documentation is a POS. In my mind, the Neo won't be ready for end-users unless I can give it to one of my co-workers and they can figure almost everything out without documentation. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Okay -- I see your perspective and I agree but I think people are calling it a phone because that's a convenient handle. For my 10 minute test yesterday it worked just like a phone. I dialed, it connected. It rang, I answered. Another 10 minutes and I'd probably know how to answer on the first try! I might even get my own SIM now. Sharp learning curves are always bad even for geeks. I have a pile of GPS devices that need pretty extensive documentation. For day to day use I get by but if I put one in a box for a couple months I have to have the docs to refresh my memory. Garmin has a new touch screen device now. The UI on my eTrex Vista is well-thought out and implemented especially as a follow-on to having already learned on their earlier eMap. I can usually figure things out without docs. I wonder how they did on the new one. Topic topic??? -- oh right -- the Wiki -- one of these days I will try to work more on the Wiki. I have several of my own and I know how rambling and disconnected they can become. My 2 cents is -- OM should work hard to try to make the text search feature work better (then tell me how they did it). I have used MediaWiki for several years and its built-in text search sucks. Finding an alternative (SwishE or whatever) would be a big step in the right direction but organizing the data is also vital (and quite difficult). If I figure out the magic Mediawiki search silver bullet first then I will share it with OM. Brian On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You misunderstand. A PHONE should need no documentation. The Neo is more than a phone. So, some features may need some documentation. But the phone part of it should just work. But really, I'm having trouble thinking of a feature I would use regularly that would be acceptable to require documentation. I hope I would only need documentation if I'm actually in the code making changes. -Steven ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WIKI still a POS
The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I had a FR on friday and I can configure that finding informations on the wiki is hard. May I suggest to replace the internal search with a search on google ? (something like site:wiki.openmoko.org what-i-search). Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it I personaly think that this is the problem ... Hugo Mills a écrit : On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Scott Vinc Duran wrote: You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Please give us a bit more time. We're having lots and LOTS of internal discussions on how to make our Wiki better. We know the quality is not what we all want. Brenda (and crew) will be talking with everyone a lot more in the coming weeks of our plans to get/integrate your feedback. I'm 100% confident we can get there. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Mike Baroukh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I suggest to replace the internal search with a search on google ? (something like site:wiki.openmoko.org what-i-search). I once configured a MediaWiki we were using for internal documentation at a place I worked to use Swish++ as its internal search engine, so as to be able to find words within page text, as well as uploaded files (PDFs, Word docs etc.). I don't remember all the details now, but it's a possible route for a wiki to actually have a good search engine. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Sean, OK, I'll hop off the box for now. And thanks for letting us know you folks are aware of the problem and working on it. Scott Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/28/08 Scott Derrick wrote: I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Please give us a bit more time. We're having lots and LOTS of internal discussions on how to make our Wiki better. We know the quality is not what we all want. Brenda (and crew) will be talking with everyone a lot more in the coming weeks of our plans to get/integrate your feedback. I'm 100% confident we can get there. -Sean ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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It's easier to complain than to fix. I yelled about the wiki for months. After once day of editing it I realized it was a monumental task that only the community can address at this time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:01AM -0600, Scott wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. Well, it *is* a wiki... feel free to fix it. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- I must be musical: I've got *loads* of CDs --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: WIKI still a POS
Then start helping out with the wiki editing and stop complaining. For a bunch of OpenSource Fans I sure hear a lot of bitching and less doing. P a r t I c I p a t e -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Derrick Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:04 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: WIKI still a POS Vinc, I agree there have been some improvements. But the main page is still really broken! I would love to see this project succeed beyond the usual Only for Geeks Linix/OS project. They way it is now the state of the documentation for a normal user is a guarantees it is doomed to be a very very small niche product at best. Every time I go to the wiki for new info it is a painful and frustrating process. Yes if I am going to reread something I already know is there its not bad, but ferreting out new information is not easy. Scott Vinc Duran wrote: You should know it's improved significantly over the last couple weeks. To me it seems the Getting Started page in particular has been much improved. (That's where I've spent most of my time.) On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OM Wiki is still a prime example of 'How not to do a Wiki. a few easy example on the main page. 1.) On the main page is a link for Test cases, Why is this on the main page? Its useless to 90% of the users and should be under Development. 2.) There is a Software link that leads you the Developer Guide??? WTF? 3.) There is a Hardware link and the 1973 FR links. Why? Both the 1973 Fr pages have their respective hardware links on their pages. Its a classic misdirection. It looks like Openmoko wants the Neo to fail, because if the main source for information on how to operate the phone is this WIki, its doomed. Isn't there supposed to be some new Wiki Editor force around that was going to fix things? Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
