RE: celluar data network speed comparison WAS: Re: verizon and openmoko
Thanks Todd, I'm sure the Qualcomm investors will be pleased :) Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: Todd W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 January 2007 8:33 PM To: Dean Collins; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: celluar data network speed comparison WAS: Re: verizon and openmoko From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] It doesn't make sense for FIC to offer a CDMA handset just for the USA, it's a dieing technology and GSM is more widely operated in almost all countries outside of the USA. Hello, Contrarily, this is FUD. The only way CDMA is dieing is because it is being upgraded to allow greater upload speeds (among other things). Also, the new network is backwards compatible, so saying it is dieing is... simply put, wrong. To put things in perspective, GSM's download speeds are slower than EVDO's current upload speeds. On my Qualcomm PPC 6700, I can run IRC (group chat), IM (individual chat), browse the web, and SSH (secure shell), and terminal services all at the same time. Or if I want, I can connect my phone to my laptop, and instantiate arbitrary network traffic that way. Oh, and it has a WiFi client in it. I hardly use it, because the EVDO network performs my network intensive tasks quite acceptably :-) You'd be hard pressed to perform all of these tasks simultaneously on a CDMA network. Indeed, for this reason alone myself and many others will not be acquiring an iPhone: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=19690020 0 For those of you who skipped the article, here is the first line of the story: The first customers of Apple's iPhone won't be traveling in the fast broadband lane much of the time. Transmission speeds over Cingular Wireless's Edge data network often drop down to dial-up speeds. OpenMoko fills the void of open developer access, but for me the slow data networks provided to it still make my Windows Mobile 5 device MUCH more attractive. Thats why Sprint has things like SprintTV and Verizon thier YouTube interface and Cingular has none of these. OpenMoko is definitely another great tool for the toolbox, but just so everyone knows, there are already much more advanced wireless data interfaces available. Todd W. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: celluar data network speed comparison WAS: Re: verizon and openmoko
On Friday 26 January 2007 02:32:53 Todd W wrote: OpenMoko is definitely another great tool for the toolbox, but just so everyone knows, there are already much more advanced wireless data interfaces available. Comparing EVDO to GSM is like comparing modern trucks to steam locomotives. There's UMTS and HSDPA (which would then likely be the equivalent of a TGV like high speed train), you know... pgphWv3YsZlaz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: verizon and openmoko
or just buy another account on another carrier ;) get their 'cheapest' plan. But I believe the Neo will only work on Cingular TMobile in the US. On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to see if anyone knows whether or not the OpenMoko phone would work with Verizon? I have attempted to research what protocols Verizon supports, and it appears that they use EVDO and CDMA, technology which isn't supported on this phone. I was highly excited about the product until it seemed that I couldn't use it on my carrier. I don't really want to have to change carriers to use the openmoko phone. Any info would be helpful, thanks! -Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Andrew Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED]42.4266N x 83.4931W http://highearthorbit.com Northville, Michigan, USA ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: verizon and openmoko
It doesn't make sense for FIC to offer a CDMA handset just for the USA, it's a dieing technology and GSM is more widely operated in almost all countries outside of the USA. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 10:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: verizon and openmoko Just wanted to see if anyone knows whether or not the OpenMoko phone would work with Verizon? I have attempted to research what protocols Verizon supports, and it appears that they use EVDO and CDMA, technology which isn't supported on this phone. I was highly excited about the product until it seemed that I couldn't use it on my carrier. I don't really want to have to change carriers to use the openmoko phone. Any info would be helpful, thanks! -Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: verizon and openmoko
I wasn't asking if it made sense, just if anyone knew if I could use the phone on Verizon. No need to defend the decision to just use GSM...I personally leave the blame on Verizon for not keeping up with technology. thanks though, -mark It doesn't make sense for FIC to offer a CDMA handset just for the USA, it's a dieing technology and GSM is more widely operated in almost all countries outside of the USA. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 10:44 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: verizon and openmoko Just wanted to see if anyone knows whether or not the OpenMoko phone would work with Verizon? I have attempted to research what protocols Verizon supports, and it appears that they use EVDO and CDMA, technology which isn't supported on this phone. I was highly excited about the product until it seemed that I couldn't use it on my carrier. I don't really want to have to change carriers to use the openmoko phone. Any info would be helpful, thanks! -Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: verizon and openmoko
The other major problem - if FIC made a CDMA OpenMoko phone, Verizon would have to explicitly allow it's use, which would probably not happen. Verizon has a tight level of control over phones - they will have their own UI installed and Bluetooth file transfers etc turned off. Simply, Verizon['s phones] is/are the anthesis of OpenMoko. - Chad OBiPhone: Given how tightly Steve's controlling the iPhone he might as well have dealt with Verizon ;) On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wanted to see if anyone knows whether or not the OpenMoko phone would work with Verizon? I have attempted to research what protocols Verizon supports, and it appears that they use EVDO and CDMA, technology which isn't supported on this phone. I was highly excited about the product until it seemed that I couldn't use it on my carrier. I don't really want to have to change carriers to use the openmoko phone. Any info would be helpful, thanks! -Mark ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
