[GSM] Geolocating
Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Then another question arised: during a call, would it be possible to know the GSM cell of the other phone? Is there a way to know this, even if it requires Neos on both sides? I'm not a GSM expert, so I don't know how this works, does anyone here have an answer? Would that be technically feasible for the Neo to communicate its GSM CellId during a call, for instance for automatic treatment on the other side? Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpRxoaDubfgL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Lucas Bonnet wrote: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). There's a thread [1] on the kernel mailing list about this feature too. Give it a look! [1] http://tinyurl.com/68jxno -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). There's a thread [1] on the kernel mailing list about this feature too. Give it a look! Ah, the only list I'm not subscribed to :) Thanks. -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpyLzKgkjFID.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Marc-Olivier Barre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... Yes, if you're just a customer, no luck. But we might have the government on our side for a project, which would certainly help, though nothing is sure for the moment. I'm not a GSM expert, so I don't know how this works, does anyone here have an answer? Would that be technically feasible for the Neo to communicate its GSM CellId during a call, for instance for automatic treatment on the other side? While that might be possible to send, you would still need the info from paragraph 1... Yup, that's the trickiest part :) Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpnEYsMeDZol.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Then another question arised: during a call, would it be possible to know the GSM cell of the other phone? Is there a way to know this, even if it requires Neos on both sides? I have a project for GSoC (SMS Middleware). Using this SW, you will be able to ask OM via SMS theoretically anything you want. It might be a GPS location, specific OS information, or GSM cell the phone is connected to! -- -- Patryk Szymczak mobile: +48 695759817 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, during one of my presentation of the Openmoko project, I mentionned the ability to know which GSM cell the Neo is connected to. This allows some approximate geolocating, provided you know the position of the GSM cells. It could be useful in an urban environment, where GPS isn't very helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On Wednesday 23 April 2008 18:40, Feydreva wrote: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Sander Hoentjen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 14:17 +0200, Marc-Olivier Barre wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip helpful (walls, narrow streets, etc.). Well the key concept here is provided you know the position of the GSM cells. Now, you might try to call you operators customer support asking them Hi, could you send me a copy of your hardware database please ?, but I doubt you would get a positive answer, *if* they even bother to answer... I think http://celldb.org/ is trying to solve this problem. Sander The problem with ALL of the sites that are doing this is non provide access to the entire db. You can search and add data, but you can't have your own server. Personally I want to see a freely available db that users contribute to rather than a closed db that you get some access to and the site owner sells everyone else's effort.. /still bitter about cddb -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's quite cool. How about adding a tab to TangoGPS for this? :) Regards, -- Lucas Bonnet Bearstech - http://bearstech.com pgpL67l4s6ZdO.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On 4/23/08, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's quite cool. How about adding a tab to TangoGPS for this? :) That is a great idea:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GSM] Geolocating
On 4/23/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/08, Lucas Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have a look at theses 2 projects : http://www.eppenga.com/gg-tracker/ and http://www.aspicore.com/en/tuotteet_tracker.asp?tab=2sub=2 This is great:) Now we only need to turn this into opkg'es (maybe with some modifications) Yeah, that's quite cool. How about adding a tab to TangoGPS for this? :) That is a great idea:) Well, I have no clue about how easy that would be. I just come to think about that then tangoGPS would need some modifications and I don't know how trivial it is to merge these two apps. I have not looked at any code, so I have no idea. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
