Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-06 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:57:41 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:20:53 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:57:41 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only adapted ones. The americans can use the extras as application hotkeys. oh its not the extra keys - its the variations in

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 16:48, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: I simply confirmed the same problem exists for other language too. In polish, we are often communicating on IMs, SMSes, IRC, chats etc. without polish accents (ą-a; ę-e; ó [which is pronounced as u]-o; ś-s; ł-l;

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
2009/2/5 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com: but we don't have problems with communicating in that way. Unless you want to write (semi)official document. (like writing email to your boss, etc) Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 17:30, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you want to write (semi)official document. (like writing email to your boss, etc) Then simply switch to terminal-based keyboard without dictionary and with accents on right alt key (like in PC keyboard

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:59:45 +0100 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com said: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 16:48, Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com wrote: I simply confirmed the same problem exists for other language too. In polish, we are often communicating on IMs, SMSes, IRC, chats

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:57:41 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only adapted ones. The americans can use the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-05 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:48:36 +0100 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com said: 2009/2/5 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: But there are other cases, where it is not that clear: ólt - pound (accusative) ölt - he killed ... olt - to graft sure.. maybe being an

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-04 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
Hi! ok - so if a young person typed: Öt szép szűz it'd be: Ot szep szuz ((btw, the meaning of Öt szép szűz lány őrült írót nyúz is Five virgins tire a crazy writer. It is the hungarian synonym of The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog)) Yes, and in that specific case works. (because

Re: OT: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-04 Thread Marcel
I zapped into this thread because it was only one new mail in the om-community folder and clicking it was the simplest way to mark it as read. Somehow I got curious what that strange (hungarian) sentence has to do with om and found a nice pack of information about your (?) language... Very

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:37:56 +0100 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com said: Hi! ok - so if a young person typed: Öt szép szűz it'd be: Ot szep szuz ((btw, the meaning of Öt szép szűz lány őrült írót nyúz is Five virgins tire a crazy writer. It is the hungarian synonym of

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
1. norwegian does allow for conversion to roman-only text. there are rules much like german. 2. this conversion isn't used much and is a last resort thing. 3. only a few special letters are needed for common use cases in addition to latin Hi! I just giving you some perspective;) In

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: [...] yeah. this is one reason i want toi understand how it works without ø, æ etc. - one day there will be a phone with a kbd.. and it wont have a version per language because the # of users in norway are too small to warrant a special production run

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:28:49 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: [...] yeah. this is one reason i want toi understand how it works without ø, æ etc. - one day there will be a phone with a kbd.. and it wont have a version per language

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:36:26 +0100 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com said: 1. norwegian does allow for conversion to roman-only text. there are rules much like german. 2. this conversion isn't used much and is a last resort thing. 3. only a few special letters are needed for

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow - Usability features

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:15:53 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:53:26 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: However in the past days I sent you privately also a mail about some issues of the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-02 Thread Kostis Anagnostopoulos
On Sun 01 Feb 2009 00:31:09 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:16:57 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said:

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow - Usability features

2009-02-02 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Maybe using something like a trie [1] to archive the words could help (both for words matching and for compressing the dictionary). Too hard? [1]

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-02 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:43:39 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:39:52 +0200 Kostis Anagnostopoulos ankos...@gmail.com said: On Sun 01 Feb 2009 00:31:09 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:16:57 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:26:50 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:43:39 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow - Usability features

2009-02-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:53:26 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Maybe using something like a trie [1] to archive the words could help (both for words

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:16:57 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: But I think a dictionary format in plain utf8 that

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-30 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new dictionary format is realized. It is ok if typing for suggests fôr as an alternative, but før should not come up unless the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:30:44 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM, The Rasterman

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:43:39 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: I hope things like this will be possible, if a new dictionary format is realized. It is ok

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-30 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:31:43 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: But I think a dictionary format in plain utf8 that includes the normalised words as well as any candidates to display would be the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/1/29 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com I think most problems could be solved by using a dictionary format similar to what you describe above, i.e. something like: match : candidate1 candidate2; frequency for example: vogel : Vogel Vögel; 123 That would mean you can search on the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread arne anka
This dictionary would have hundreds of millions of rows even if you take only reasonable user inputs. why would that be? colloquial language (nad that's what is to be considered) contains only several thousends words, still a lot but far away from millions. But what to do if the users

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm wrote: 2009/1/29 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com I think most problems could be solved by using a dictionary format similar to what you describe above, i.e. something like: match : candidate1 candidate2; frequency for

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/1/29 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com It did not mean all possible misspellings should be included, only the normalisation which removes accented chars etc. So for normal English, there would be almost no extra size compared to now. The current way of correcting typos by checking all

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i was hoping to be able to keep a SIMPLE ascii qwerty keyboard for as much as possible - so you can just type and it will work and offer the selections as it's trying to guess anyway - it can present the multiple accented versions too. this limits the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 29 January 2009, Michal Brzozowski wrote: 2009/1/29 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com It did not mean all possible misspellings should be included, only the normalisation which removes accented chars etc. So for normal English, there would be almost no extra size compared to now.

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:19:38 +0100 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de said: This dictionary would have hundreds of millions of rows even if you take only reasonable user inputs. why would that be? colloquial language (nad that's what is to be considered) contains only several thousends

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:32:48 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i was hoping to be able to keep a SIMPLE ascii qwerty keyboard for as much as possible - so you can just type and it will work and offer the selections as it's trying

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:30:44 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Olof Sjobergh wrote: Unless I missed

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-29 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 4:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:30:44 +0100 Olof Sjobergh olo...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100

[SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Giorgio Marciano
I tried to write something with the illume keyboard within the SHR unstable and it is too slow to be usable! There is a way to fix it? withing the previous SHR testing it was working quite good! thanks -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Wednesday 28 January 2009, Giorgio Marciano wrote: I tried to write something with the illume keyboard within the SHR unstable and it is too slow to be usable! There is a way to fix it? withing the previous SHR testing it was working quite good! That's my UTF8 fix [1] that's causing the

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Florian Hackenberger f.hackenber...@chello.at wrote: That's my UTF8 fix [1] that's causing the slowness, I'm afraid. Unfortunately I'm very very busy ATM and therefore I'm unable to work on it. It could either be the latin - UTF16 code which is slow or another

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Helge Hafting
Olof Sjobergh wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Florian Hackenberger f.hackenber...@chello.at wrote: That's my UTF8 fix [1] that's causing the slowness, I'm afraid. Unfortunately I'm very very busy ATM and therefore I'm unable to work on it. It could either be the latin - UTF16 code

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: The obvious fix is to store the dictionary in such a format that conversions won't be necessary. Not sure why utf16 is being used, utf8 is more compact and works so well for everything else in linux. Yes, the obvious

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Helge Hafting
Olof Sjobergh wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: The obvious fix is to store the dictionary in such a format that conversions won't be necessary. Not sure why utf16 is being used, utf8 is more compact and works so well for everything else in

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Olof Sjobergh wrote: Unless I missed something big (which I hope I didn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if I did), this is not fixable with the current dictionary lookup design. Raster talked about redesigning the dictionary format, so I guess we have to wait until he gets around to it (or

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: I see. This is done to avoid needing a few extra keys for accents and umlauts? Won't that create problems for languages where two words differ only in accents? In Norwegian, there are many such pairs. Examples:

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Olof Sjobergh wrote: Unless I missed something big (which I hope I didn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if I did), this is not fixable with the current dictionary lookup design. Raster talked about redesigning

Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-01-28 Thread Olof Sjobergh
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:16 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net said: Olof Sjobergh wrote: Unless I missed something big (which I hope I didn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if I did),