Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On Fri, 6 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I can see the tracker now. Thanks to whoever fixed it. I am seeding a bunch of these files now. Partiall - enpedia works, but depedia for example not. Alex. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/07/2012 06:27 AM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I can see the tracker now. Thanks to whoever fixed it. I am seeding a bunch of these files now. Partiall - enpedia works, but depedia for example not. Alex. Alex, You may have just noticed that you have downloaded a few megabytes of that depedia file through azureus. That's because I just seeded a small part of this file. I used the trick mentioned earlier in this thread. I trimmed the ?torrent off of the end of the URL and started downloading the entire file through Firefox. After a few megabytes I paused the download, copied the partial file into the download folder used by my bittorrent client, and told it to torrent that file. It contacted the tracker at amazon, which is indeed working, and the tracker found one peer (you), and sent you those megabytes. So the amazon tracker is working. And the file is indeed present on the amazon server. But the amazon tracker isn't using the amazon server as a seeder! So something is still wrong. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On Sat, 7 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: [...] I used the trick mentioned earlier in this thread. I trimmed the ?torrent off of the end of the URL and started downloading the entire file through Firefox. After a few megabytes I paused the download, copied the partial file into the download folder used by my bittorrent client, and told it to torrent that file. It contacted the tracker at amazon, which is indeed working, and the tracker found one peer (you), and sent you those megabytes. So the amazon tracker is working. And the file is indeed present on the amazon server. But the amazon tracker isn't using the amazon server as a seeder! So something is still wrong. I now managed to download the zip files and seeding them now (for depedia). Il will seed others also, in the hope, that the torrent network comes back to live. Off-topic soon, how-to: I used azureus/vuze. First downloaded the depedia*.7z files (as described earlier, without .torrent). Copied them into my torrent download folder. Asked vuze to download the torrent 'depedia*.7z.torrent' from the http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ page. Got warning to continue/restart download, acknowledged that. Started to seed then... --- Just wondering: I was downloading the files from web with approx. 600kB. This is much faster than any torrent network will provide and faster than most other download sites. Who - if ever - will have to pay for this download speed? Does it make sense at all here, to use torrent network to distribute such kind of data? A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/07/2012 04:13 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Sat, 7 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: [...] I used the trick mentioned earlier in this thread. I trimmed the ?torrent off of the end of the URL and started downloading the entire file through Firefox. After a few megabytes I paused the download, copied the partial file into the download folder used by my bittorrent client, and told it to torrent that file. It contacted the tracker at amazon, which is indeed working, and the tracker found one peer (you), and sent you those megabytes. So the amazon tracker is working. And the file is indeed present on the amazon server. But the amazon tracker isn't using the amazon server as a seeder! So something is still wrong. I now managed to download the zip files and seeding them now (for depedia). Il will seed others also, in the hope, that the torrent network comes back to live. Off-topic soon, how-to: I used azureus/vuze. First downloaded the depedia*.7z files (as described earlier, without .torrent). Copied them into my torrent download folder. Asked vuze to download the torrent 'depedia*.7z.torrent' from the http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ page. Got warning to continue/restart download, acknowledged that. Started to seed then... --- Just wondering: I was downloading the files from web with approx. 600kB. This is much faster than any torrent network will provide and faster than most other download sites. Who - if ever - will have to pay for this download speed? Does it make sense at all here, to use torrent network to distribute such kind of data? A. I assume that Openmoko is paying for the bits downloaded from that Amazon server. Of course, when we ask our bittorrent clients to download and seed the files, Amazon doesn't see the traffic going between other peers so Openmoko doesn't pay for that part. This is part of the reason we use bittorrent -- we are volunteering to take some of the bandwidth load ourselves instead of asking some centralized server to cover all those costs. Another reason for using bittorrent is this: Suppose a group of peers already have, between them, a complete copy of a given file. (No one peer needs to have all of the chunks; each chunk just needs to be on at least one peer in the group.) Then we just need to get a copy of the corresponding .torrent file to each peer, by whatever means, and then the peers can collectively act to build a complete copy of the big file on each peer. No centralized tracker is needed, as long as the peers can find each other. This brings the fully decentralized robustness of the Internet to torrent distribution. (Okay, DNS isn't fully decentralized yet, but that's another story...) This is what Tribler does. It allows peers to find each other without a tracker. I expect all bittorrent clients will eventually gain this capability. As to the question of whether bittorrent makes much sense for these particular files: That's a good question. If you have a bunch of peers, and one of them can pump out data at 600kBps and the others are much slower, then the fast one will presumably hand out most of the chunks and the slower ones won't do much at all. If the fast server is worried about cost, then it could throttle itself down when there are other peers seeding. But throttling itself down to zero (effectively that's what's happening now) is also undesirable, especially if the other peers don't have a complete copy between them yet ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/05/2012 03:28 PM, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/05/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. Looks like Openmoko is using the Amazon cloud to host these files. The tracker is at http://tracker.amazonaws.com:6969/announce and it times out when you talk to it. Developers have accessed these files recently; Siebrand Mazeland and Christopher Hall have done github updates within the last couple weeks, and there's a base files update on the download page dated 20 June. So this must be a recent problem. Workaround, for anybody who wants updates and is in a hurry: Copy the desired link URL from that page, paste it into the address bar of your browser, then strip the ?torrent from the end, and hit Enter. This will download the entire file (up to 1GB!) instead of just the corresponding .torrent file. (Yes, the files are all there... it's just the bittorrent tracker that is down.) While you're there, also download the .torrent file. Then when both downloads are complete, you can use your bittorrent client to verify that the big file you downloaded is correct. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/06/2012 12:00 AM, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/05/2012 03:28 PM, Doug Jones wrote: On 07/05/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. Looks like Openmoko is using the Amazon cloud to host these files. The tracker is at http://tracker.amazonaws.com:6969/announce and it times out when you talk to it. Developers have accessed these files recently; Siebrand Mazeland and Christopher Hall have done github updates within the last couple weeks, and there's a base files update on the download page dated 20 June. So this must be a recent problem. Workaround, for anybody who wants updates and is in a hurry: Copy the desired link URL from that page, paste it into the address bar of your browser, then strip the ?torrent from the end, and hit Enter. This will download the entire file (up to 1GB!) instead of just the corresponding .torrent file. (Yes, the files are all there... it's just the bittorrent tracker that is down.) While you're there, also download the .torrent file. Then when both downloads are complete, you can use your bittorrent client to verify that the big file you downloaded is correct. I can see the tracker now. Thanks to whoever fixed it. I am seeding a bunch of these files now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Wikireader] updates not working?
I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Wikireader] updates not working?
On 07/05/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Lehner wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2012, Doug Jones wrote: I see there are some new Wikireader updates available: http://dev.thewikireader.com/language-packs/ But I can't download them -- the tracker times out. Anybody else having this problem? yes, me. Tried it with the german depedia and using azureus/vuze as torrent client. There seem to be no sources. A. Looks like Openmoko is using the Amazon cloud to host these files. The tracker is at http://tracker.amazonaws.com:6969/announce and it times out when you talk to it. Developers have accessed these files recently; Siebrand Mazeland and Christopher Hall have done github updates within the last couple weeks, and there's a base files update on the download page dated 20 June. So this must be a recent problem. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
