Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's atypical. trust me. i do NOT like segv's! if i see them, i hunt them down with vengeance. the problem is reproducing them and getting a sensible backtrace and possibly getting it to do the same in valgrind so i can pinpoint the real source of the segv (which often is not the actual segv point but earlier when something stomps over memory it shouldn't). Do you know which process I should try to attach to? This is at the point where enlightenment is displaying a dialog saying that it has SEGV'd. debian-gta02:~# ps waux | grep enlight root 1308 0.3 5.1 19400 6488 ?S22:49 0:07 enlightenment root 1310 0.0 1.5 9668 1948 ?SNs 22:49 0:00 /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm root 1311 0.0 0.3 1664 452 ?SN 22:49 0:00 /opt/e/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnueabi-armv4tl/wifiget 8 root 1316 0.0 0.9 4764 1224 ?SN 22:50 0:00 /opt/e/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-armv4tl/batget 32 root 1746 0.0 0.4 1716 600 pts/3S+ 23:23 0:00 grep enlight So far I tried 1308 and 1310, unfortunately both without much useful information: debian-gta02:~# gdb `which enlightenment` ... (gdb) attach 1308 ... 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x408c33d0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 Cannot access memory at address 0x0 (gdb) info threads 1 Thread 0x40919d30 (LWP 1308) 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) detach Detaching from program: /opt/e/bin/enlightenment, process 1308 (gdb) quit debian-gta02:~# gdb /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm ... (gdb) attach 1310 ... 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x403e4cdc in _ecore_main_select (timeout=2.121995791459338e-314) at ecore_main.c:355 #2 0x in ?? () (gdb) info thread 1 Thread 0x40919b90 (LWP 1310) 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) quit The program is running. Quit anyway (and detach it)? (y or n) n Not confirmed. (gdb) detach Detaching from program: /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm, process 1310 (gdb) quit I'm afraid that's probably not much help. Is there something straightforward I can do to find out more? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:34:29 + Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/11/23 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it's atypical. trust me. i do NOT like segv's! if i see them, i hunt them down with vengeance. the problem is reproducing them and getting a sensible backtrace and possibly getting it to do the same in valgrind so i can pinpoint the real source of the segv (which often is not the actual segv point but earlier when something stomps over memory it shouldn't). Do you know which process I should try to attach to? This is at the point where enlightenment is displaying a dialog saying that it has SEGV'd. 1308 (enlightenment). odd that 1310 (the filemanager back-end to slave off file io) is so big. memory-footprint wise. very very very odd. seems your backtrace doesn't offer anything useful - did you have the -dbg packages installed? debian-gta02:~# ps waux | grep enlight root 1308 0.3 5.1 19400 6488 ?S22:49 0:07 enlightenment root 1310 0.0 1.5 9668 1948 ?SNs 22:49 0:00 /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm root 1311 0.0 0.3 1664 452 ?SN 22:49 0:00 /opt/e/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/linux-gnueabi-armv4tl/wifiget 8 root 1316 0.0 0.9 4764 1224 ?SN 22:50 0:00 /opt/e/lib/enlightenment/modules/battery/linux-gnueabi-armv4tl/batget 32 root 1746 0.0 0.4 1716 600 pts/3S+ 23:23 0:00 grep enlight So far I tried 1308 and 1310, unfortunately both without much useful information: debian-gta02:~# gdb `which enlightenment` ... (gdb) attach 1308 ... 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x408c33d0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 Cannot access memory at address 0x0 (gdb) info threads 1 Thread 0x40919d30 (LWP 1308) 0x405f89c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) detach Detaching from program: /opt/e/bin/enlightenment, process 1308 (gdb) quit debian-gta02:~# gdb /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm ... (gdb) attach 1310 ... 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x403e4cdc in _ecore_main_select (timeout=2.121995791459338e-314) at ecore_main.c:355 #2 0x in ?? () (gdb) info thread 1 Thread 0x40919b90 (LWP 1310) 0x404f39c4 in select () from /lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) quit The program is running. Quit anyway (and detach it)? (y or n) n Not confirmed. (gdb) detach Detaching from program: /opt/e/bin/enlightenment_fm, process 1310 (gdb) quit I'm afraid that's probably not much help. Is there something straightforward I can do to find out more? Regards, Neil -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:38:05 + Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? it's atypical. trust me. i do NOT like segv's! if i see them, i hunt them down with vengeance. the problem is reproducing them and getting a sensible backtrace and possibly getting it to do the same in valgrind so i can pinpoint the real source of the segv (which often is not the actual segv point but earlier when something stomps over memory it shouldn't). e is trying to accomplish a whole lot of things at once. be small and lean, efficient and yet still provide a whole host of features and be sexy without requiring incredibly high-end hardware. this all takes a lot of effort and delicate balancing act. right now we're making long-term decisions on the base of things to build on in the future and why it takes so long to be stable and release. the feedback i get from many users is our unstable svn dev is more stable than most releases of most software - which is good. but i take bugs seriously. some i know are just haven't gotten to that subsystem yet in terms of debugging/fixing/cleaning, so they just wait until i do, other are what on earth was that? bugs. Hello guys, can any one of u tell me how to install e17 on debian??? because i did not find any package when i typed apt-get install enlightenment -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
mallikarjun arjun wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, can any one of u tell me how to install e17 on debian??? because i did not find any package when i typed apt-get install enlightenment e17 is unstable, that is why it is not in debian right now. I have recently installed it from source, which turned out quit nicely. No big deal, when you have figured out where the sources are on the enlightenment site. Maybe there are some unofficial debian sources somewhere, i did not bother searching for one because i needed sources anyway. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
yes you can, you just need to read the top of this discussion... there is a deb provided from some private repos d On 11/24/08, mallikarjun arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:38:05 + Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: 2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? it's atypical. trust me. i do NOT like segv's! if i see them, i hunt them down with vengeance. the problem is reproducing them and getting a sensible backtrace and possibly getting it to do the same in valgrind so i can pinpoint the real source of the segv (which often is not the actual segv point but earlier when something stomps over memory it shouldn't). e is trying to accomplish a whole lot of things at once. be small and lean, efficient and yet still provide a whole host of features and be sexy without requiring incredibly high-end hardware. this all takes a lot of effort and delicate balancing act. right now we're making long-term decisions on the base of things to build on in the future and why it takes so long to be stable and release. the feedback i get from many users is our unstable svn dev is more stable than most releases of most software - which is good. but i take bugs seriously. some i know are just haven't gotten to that subsystem yet in terms of debugging/fixing/cleaning, so they just wait until i do, other are what on earth was that? bugs. Hello guys, can any one of u tell me how to install e17 on debian??? because i did not find any package when i typed apt-get install enlightenment -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Tilman Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mallikarjun arjun wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:25 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, can any one of u tell me how to install e17 on debian??? because i did not find any package when i typed apt-get install enlightenment e17 is unstable, that is why it is not in debian right now. I have recently installed it from source, which turned out quit nicely. No big deal, when you have figured out where the sources are on the enlightenment site. Maybe there are some unofficial debian sources somewhere, i did not bother searching for one because i needed sources anyway. Ok thanks i found the deb file. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
very nice...but what about the raster's keyboard? i cannot see it at all... any hint? am i doing something wrong? d On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--state-of-enlightment-and-illume-packaging-tp1442698p1567005.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
top right (next to the hidden gadgets)... in illume ofcourse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) I'm liking it too, definitely has immediately become my default, replacing trayer+openmoko-panel-plugin. I especially like - the and buttons for switching apps - the keyboard - which I haven't actually used very much yet, but appears to have the same fuzzy logic as the Qtopia one - everything accessible from the Illume background menu. Only but is that Enlightenment SEGV'd on me on startup, has anyone else seen that? If not I guess I should try to get some diags. I chose the Recover option, and that seemed to work. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Neil Jerram schrieb: 2008/11/23 Jesus McCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) I'm liking it too, definitely has immediately become my default, replacing trayer+openmoko-panel-plugin. I especially like - the and buttons for switching apps - the keyboard - which I haven't actually used very much yet, but appears to have the same fuzzy logic as the Qtopia one - everything accessible from the Illume background menu. Only but is that Enlightenment SEGV'd on me on startup, has anyone else seen that? If not I guess I should try to get some diags. I chose the Recover option, and that seemed to work. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/11/23 Bernd Prünster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: do you really care about segv ? this si not a debian issue, e17 is still in development, but the recovery option is flawless (just my experience, but ALWAYS worked and it doesn't take more that a few seconds, so you can still answer a call if this happens!) I care if what I'm getting is the expected behaviour, or is atypical; with the related points being - is there something that I am doing wrong to cause this? - should I be spending time to collect and report more diagnostics? For me Illume also sigegsvs quite often, so I assume this is expected behaviour until its resolved. The recover function works well though. Regards, Neil -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
rocks! compared to my xfce dekstop i now DO see what raster meant (desktops on diet) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-debian--state-of-enlightment-and-illume-packaging-tp1442698p1567005.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 20:43 +0100, hiciu wrote: Hi, Two problems I've seen: 1) There are no icons for installed applications in illume 2) The battery applet makes Enlightenment go 100% CPU Did you find any workarounds for these problems? Only for first problem. It is because lack of /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file. You can get it in 'gnome-menus' or 'xdg-utils' and few others packages.. but none of them will works with illume (because of submenus imo). I get mine in Raster's illume image: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081012-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz (wget it; tar xzf openmoko-*-20081012-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu). Then you should remove folder ~/.e or run First Run Wizard to tell illume to use this file. I didn't noticed issue with battery applet. Hi, Thanks. Works perfectly. I did not have time to dig deeper into the 100% CPU issue, but for now what I see is that various batget processes get spawned when this happens. Cheers, Benedikt signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 03:53 +0100, hiciu wrote: Hi, I've packaged E for Debian. So far it works. Installation (clean Debian, from http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob;f=install.sh): wget https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.deb dpkg -i enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.deb mv /root/.xsession /root/.xsession.backup cat END /root/.xsession #!/bin/sh zhone enlightenment_start END echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/e/bin' /etc/profile echo 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/opt/e/lib/pkgconfig' /etc/profile /etc/init.d/nodm restart It should be installed now in /opt/e. Alternative, you can use https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.tar.gz. Hi :) I've tried it and so far I like it. Good job. Two problems I've seen: 1) There are no icons for installed applications in illume 2) The battery applet makes Enlightenment go 100% CPU Did you find any workarounds for these problems? Thanks, Benedikt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Hi, Two problems I've seen: 1) There are no icons for installed applications in illume 2) The battery applet makes Enlightenment go 100% CPU Did you find any workarounds for these problems? Only for first problem. It is because lack of /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file. You can get it in 'gnome-menus' or 'xdg-utils' and few others packages.. but none of them will works with illume (because of submenus imo). I get mine in Raster's illume image: http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/Freerunner/2008-10-12/openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20081012-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz (wget it; tar xzf openmoko-*-20081012-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu). Then you should remove folder ~/.e or run First Run Wizard to tell illume to use this file. I didn't noticed issue with battery applet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
hiciu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, I've packaged E for Debian. So far it works. Installation (clean Debian, from http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob;f=install.sh): Thanks for this, its very nice! wget https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.debdpkg -i enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.deb mv /root/.xsession /root/.xsession.backup cat END /root/.xsession #!/bin/sh zhone enlightenment_start END echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/e/bin' /etc/profile echo 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/opt/e/lib/pkgconfig' /etc/profile /etc/init.d/nodm restart It should be installed now in /opt/e. Alternative, you can use https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.tar.gz. -- Joakim Verona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Hi, I've packaged E for Debian. So far it works. Installation (clean Debian, from http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-fso/files.git;a=blob;f=install.sh): wget https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.deb dpkg -i enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.deb mv /root/.xsession /root/.xsession.backup cat END /root/.xsession #!/bin/sh zhone enlightenment_start END echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/opt/e/bin' /etc/profile echo 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PKG_CONFIG_PATH:/opt/e/lib/pkgconfig' /etc/profile /etc/init.d/nodm restart It should be installed now in /opt/e. Alternative, you can use https://hiciu.rootnode.net/freerunner/enlightenment-all-in-one_0.16.999.050_armel.tar.gz. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
@timo i tried icewm but it's not that esay to make a UI finger friendly under debian... (matchbox it's the best imho but the scrollbar is really thiny). I'll try your configuration. @Joachim Thanks for the infos! I'll check that @Raster i hope in your work... thanks a lot! ..maybe more sync (cross-info?) with the packagin teams will be useful thanks! d On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks to Timo, Joachim and Rasterman. Now I'm away, I have some questions but no stable internet access. I'll be back in few days with my questions. thanks d On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:38 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:09:34 +0100 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 18:40 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini: Hi all, just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) d the Debian enlightenment packaging team has slowly started to upload the new snapshot and and I have heard that they plan to package illume as well. You can watch the progress at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html and http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008- November/thread.html (once that's present), or query them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if they move to packaging current svn they dont need to package illume - it comes by default... but we havent done a snap of that yet. lots of changes are still settling. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i tried icewm but it's not that esay to make a UI finger friendly under debian... (matchbox it's the best imho but the scrollbar is really thiny). I'll try your configuration. Maybe it's must a matter of taste. I found icewm adequately usable so that I'll rather take it as a proven-to-work solution than experiment with bleeding edge software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
thanks to Timo, Joachim and Rasterman. Now I'm away, I have some questions but no stable internet access. I'll be back in few days with my questions. thanks d On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:38 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:09:34 +0100 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 18:40 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini: Hi all, just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) d the Debian enlightenment packaging team has slowly started to upload the new snapshot and and I have heard that they plan to package illume as well. You can watch the progress at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html and http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008- November/thread.html (once that's present), or query them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if they move to packaging current svn they dont need to package illume - it comes by default... but we havent done a snap of that yet. lots of changes are still settling. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:09:34 +0100 Joachim Breitner [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 18:40 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini: Hi all, just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) d the Debian enlightenment packaging team has slowly started to upload the new snapshot and and I have heard that they plan to package illume as well. You can watch the progress at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html and http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008- November/thread.html (once that’s present), or query them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if they move to packaging current svn they dont need to package illume - it comes by default... but we havent done a snap of that yet. lots of changes are still settling. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Hi, Am Samstag, den 01.11.2008, 18:40 +0100 schrieb Davide Scaini: Hi all, just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) d the Debian enlightenment packaging team has slowly started to upload the new snapshot and and I have heard that they plan to package illume as well. You can watch the progress at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008-October/thread.html and http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-e-devel/2008- November/thread.html (once that’s present), or query them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: can you post your key-layout? or it's just the standard one without the keypad? Sure. I have http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/XVkbd-lindi in my home directory and xvkbd.compact: true xvkbd.customization: -lindi xvkbd.modalKeytop: true xvkbd.dictFile: /home/lindi/etc/lindi.dict xvkbd.quickModifiers: false in ~/.Xdefaults. Then I also have xvkbd.XVkbd.dBorder: 0 xvkbd.XVkbd.dTitleBar: 0 xvkbd.XVkbd.layer: Dock xvkbd.XVkbd.doNotCover: 1 xvkbd.XVkbd.ignoreTaskBar: 1 xvkbd.XVkbd.ignoreQuickSwitch: 1 xvkbd.XVkbd.geometry: 480x260+0+350 xvkbd.XVkbd.noFocusOnMap: 1 xvkbd.XVkbd.allWorkspaces: 1 in ~/.icewm/winoptions so that the window is always opened to the same location. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/xvkbd1.png is a screenshot. It's not pretty but I value functionality here :) It's better than matchbox-keyboard since 1) it respects -geometry, I can have it not cover whole screen under icewm 2) it does not have extra space above qwerty 3) it has more features (menu, focus button, word lists, quick modifiers(gesture?)) On the other hand you can read about its weak points at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xvkbd;dist=unstable ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Hi all, just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) I use xvkbd on debian with a layout that has minimal number of buttons so that they can be large. I can type quite accurately with only fingernails of my thumbs. I don't really fancy a virtual keyboard application that only works with one window manager. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] state of enlightment and illume packaging
nice hint! a questions for you: can you post your key-layout? or it's just the standard one without the keypad? thanks a lot! d On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Davide Scaini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just a question: How is the packaging of elightment+illume going? thanks (lokking forward for a usable keyboard on debian) I use xvkbd on debian with a layout that has minimal number of buttons so that they can be large. I can type quite accurately with only fingernails of my thumbs. I don't really fancy a virtual keyboard application that only works with one window manager. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
