Re: .Mac like service
Christoph Witzany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Alexey Feldgendler schrieb: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> my list starts with: [snip] > > > > * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items > > stored on mobile devices: > > [snip - lot's of stuff] > > I would very much like to participate at such a project (or even kick it > off ftm), as my the plans for my PhD work include creating a service > that would fulfill an important part of this: The transparent storage of > data in the [Web|Cloud|Grid|]. I'd start by looking at SyncML and ScheduleWorld. I use (and have used) SyncML for quite some time and it works fairly well (right now I can't get my temporary phone - a SonyEricsson T610 - to sync up the address book but the calendar is still fine). Using SyncEvolution you get an almost perfect match. / Fredrik ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
I knew you buys will bring some very good ideas. :) Now I think we could even set at least two groups of apps related to this service. One group might be refered for those apps we develop for personal matters as sms storage, contact list, time-zone, language and others like that (encrypted and protected), and the second group might be related to communities, groups, public and social networks like facebook, lastfm and many others, wich could be shared. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Alexey Feldgendler escribió: my list starts with: *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in case i need to re-install everything) *backing up e-mails/text messages *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items stored on mobile devices: * SMS/IM histories * last dialled/received calls * contact lists * browser bookmarks, histories and cookies * calendar events * various account information (GPRS, HTTP proxy, email, IM) * stored certificates * global preferences like language, time zone, visual theme * software-specific settings * user documents * information about installed downloadable addons * As much as possible should be synchronizable across devices and software platforms. * Leverage existing open standards wherever possible, e.g. use vCard for contact information. * Provide automatic conflict resolution. * Be bandwidth-efficient. * Survive long periods without connectivity and synchronize reasonably afterwards. * Don't insist on complete synchronization before parts of data become usable. * Be secure so that even passwords and certificates can be trusted to it. * Do not require server-initiated activity because it's often impossible, i.e. rely on pull only. * Allow for interchangeable transport layers to make use of various connectivity options available on devices: * HTTP * various serial port-like connections like IR and BT * maybe offline synchronization via memory card * Allow automatic offloading of data that's typically moved from device to PC: * pictures, video and audio recordings * various logs * Probably allow sharing or publishing parts of user's data. * Provide remote control and reporting infrastructure that allows: * upgrades of device software * activation of special modes on lost/stolen devices and obtaining information from them * Transparent expansion of device's storage, e.g. the user can continue taking pictures without thinking about where they go, and the older ones are pushed off to the server. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
I'm not sure about that, but again as Robin, I think could offer that service for free and set up an account to recive donations from those who want to do it. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Shawn Rutledge escribió: You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
Robin already listed some of them, but as I think, the list could get bigger, specially 'couse it deppends on the apps we will make for Openmoko. That service might even be something that could bring some new ideas to build software. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - Shawn Rutledge escribió: What kind of features do you want to see? What are the use cases? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
well, if you encrypt the data and store everything as binary, I don't think the version control system would be able to minimize the network traffic. However, I like the concept. If you access the svn server through an ssh tunnel, you'd get the encryption on the link and the reduced traffic. I think you could also user server-side scripts to encrypt and decrypt the stored data on the server. --Steve On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think that the best way to implement this is with a version control > system, > so that you may restore your address book from x updates ago, etc. The > version control system should be able to handle binary data (e.g. svn) so > that the information may be encrypted. Using a version control system > would > also minimize the network traffic. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On 4/30/08, Christoph Witzany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would very much like to participate at such a project (or even kick it off > ftm), as my the plans for my PhD work include creating a service that would > fulfill an important part of this: The transparent storage of data in the > [Web|Cloud|Grid|]. I think that the best way to implement this is with a version control system, so that you may restore your address book from x updates ago, etc. The version control system should be able to handle binary data (e.g. svn) so that the information may be encrypted. Using a version control system would also minimize the network traffic. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
Alexey Feldgendler schrieb: On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:54:08 +0200, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: my list starts with: *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in case i need to re-install everything) *backing up e-mails/text messages *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? The difference between an open technology and a closed one is that while Apple is the only one who runs a .Mac server, anyone can run a server in an open technology. Someone can install software based on open standards and run a server, and even charge for its use if they like. Don't like paying for it? Set up your own! I believe that an open standards based server solution for assisting mobile phone features should be created. The most important thing here is that the data formats and protocols are open, so that anyone can implement a client or a server. There are several proprietary services with their closed data formats out there, but no really open one, as far as I know. Developing a consistent and comprehensive specification is an immensely important step. I would define the scope of the technology as “sycnhronization, backup and remote control for mobile devices”. Here is a very vague, draft list of requirements: * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items stored on mobile devices: * SMS/IM histories * last dialled/received calls * contact lists * browser bookmarks, histories and cookies * calendar events * various account information (GPRS, HTTP proxy, email, IM) * stored certificates * global preferences like language, time zone, visual theme * software-specific settings * user documents * information about installed downloadable addons * As much as possible should be synchronizable across devices and software platforms. * Leverage existing open standards wherever possible, e.g. use vCard for contact information. * Provide automatic conflict resolution. * Be bandwidth-efficient. * Survive long periods without connectivity and synchronize reasonably afterwards. * Don't insist on complete synchronization before parts of data become usable. * Be secure so that even passwords and certificates can be trusted to it. * Do not require server-initiated activity because it's often impossible, i.e. rely on pull only. * Allow for interchangeable transport layers to make use of various connectivity options available on devices: * HTTP * various serial port-like connections like IR and BT * maybe offline synchronization via memory card * Allow automatic offloading of data that's typically moved from device to PC: * pictures, video and audio recordings * various logs * Probably allow sharing or publishing parts of user's data. * Provide remote control and reporting infrastructure that allows: * upgrades of device software * activation of special modes on lost/stolen devices and obtaining information from them * Transparent expansion of device's storage, e.g. the user can continue taking pictures without thinking about where they go, and the older ones are pushed off to the server. This is an excellent starting point. I also like very much the ambition to reach out beyond Openmoko (even if it is the natural platform to start such a projec). I would very much like to participate at such a project (or even kick it off ftm), as my the plans for my PhD work include creating a service that would fulfill an important part of this: The transparent storage of data in the [Web|Cloud|Grid|]. Who's in? regards Christoph ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:54:08 +0200, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: my list starts with: *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in case i need to re-install everything) *backing up e-mails/text messages *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? The difference between an open technology and a closed one is that while Apple is the only one who runs a .Mac server, anyone can run a server in an open technology. Someone can install software based on open standards and run a server, and even charge for its use if they like. Don't like paying for it? Set up your own! I believe that an open standards based server solution for assisting mobile phone features should be created. The most important thing here is that the data formats and protocols are open, so that anyone can implement a client or a server. There are several proprietary services with their closed data formats out there, but no really open one, as far as I know. Developing a consistent and comprehensive specification is an immensely important step. I would define the scope of the technology as “sycnhronization, backup and remote control for mobile devices”. Here is a very vague, draft list of requirements: * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items stored on mobile devices: * SMS/IM histories * last dialled/received calls * contact lists * browser bookmarks, histories and cookies * calendar events * various account information (GPRS, HTTP proxy, email, IM) * stored certificates * global preferences like language, time zone, visual theme * software-specific settings * user documents * information about installed downloadable addons * As much as possible should be synchronizable across devices and software platforms. * Leverage existing open standards wherever possible, e.g. use vCard for contact information. * Provide automatic conflict resolution. * Be bandwidth-efficient. * Survive long periods without connectivity and synchronize reasonably afterwards. * Don't insist on complete synchronization before parts of data become usable. * Be secure so that even passwords and certificates can be trusted to it. * Do not require server-initiated activity because it's often impossible, i.e. rely on pull only. * Allow for interchangeable transport layers to make use of various connectivity options available on devices: * HTTP * various serial port-like connections like IR and BT * maybe offline synchronization via memory card * Allow automatic offloading of data that's typically moved from device to PC: * pictures, video and audio recordings * various logs * Probably allow sharing or publishing parts of user's data. * Provide remote control and reporting infrastructure that allows: * upgrades of device software * activation of special modes on lost/stolen devices and obtaining information from them * Transparent expansion of device's storage, e.g. the user can continue taking pictures without thinking about where they go, and the older ones are pushed off to the server. -- Alexey Feldgendler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: .Mac like service
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > On 4/30/08, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> my list starts with: >>> *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in >>> case i need to re-install everything) >>> *backing up e-mails/text messages >>> *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost >>> *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files >> You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a >> subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to >> access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? > > I think some of the community members could set up a server for this. > Of course there must be some encrytion so the private data is secured. I don't think we really need community members to set up a server. There are several existing ftp servers where you can get a free account and store files privately and publicly. The only software you'd need to write would be the openmoko client - which I presume you'd want to show some intelligence regarding what it uploads, what it encrypts before uploading, etc. Whoever took this on would need to make sure the remote backup had a consistent (extensible) structure and format. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF+m4jK3MZIZPmKIRArZVAKCJpUIoE5EO0upHVYO3kIyC24FCvgCdH9Ee oOVbneuMf287SFOli5RbDYo= =VxZs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: .Mac like service
-Original Message- From: Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: .Mac like service /snip >alternatively, an application to sit >on my pc and do all this stuff >locally would be very useful To add to this, giving the application the ability to log into the service and sync locally, or update the service with more up-to-date info would be useful. --Tim. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
2008/4/30 Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my list starts with: > > *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in > > case i need to re-install everything) > > *backing up e-mails/text messages > > *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost > > *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files > > You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a > subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to > access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? they could provide multiple levels of service - a free one that can store gps coords, sms (say, 50MB storage) which isn't supported or a paid-for service that has more storage space (5GB?), is supported, has guaranteed service levels, and includes encryption. similar to xdrive, but good access would be however i connect to the web - wifi, gprs, usb connection to my home network, whatever alternatively, an application to sit on my pc and do all this stuff locally would be very useful ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On 4/30/08, Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > my list starts with: > > *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in > > case i need to re-install everything) > > *backing up e-mails/text messages > > *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost > > *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files > > You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a > subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to > access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? I think some of the community members could set up a server for this. Of course there must be some encrytion so the private data is secured. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774> Free your mind - Open(moko) your phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > my list starts with: > *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in > case i need to re-install everything) > *backing up e-mails/text messages > *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost > *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files You would want it to be a commercial service like .mac, with a subscription fee and guaranteed reliable service, and use GPRS to access it? Or you would want to just do that stuff with your own PC? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
2008/4/30 Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wonder if there's any chance Openmoko could > > (or is going to) offer a service like apple's .Mac > > for the Openmoko users. I have some ideas (and > > I'm sure you have a lot more) that could make > > this service very useful. > > What kind of features do you want to see? What are the use cases? my list starts with: *backing up phone settings, including list of installed packages (in case i need to re-install everything) *backing up e-mails/text messages *storing gps coords in case the phone's stolen/lost *backup/storage of any other arbitrary files some or all of these could have the option to be encrypted of course ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: .Mac like service
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wonder if there's any chance Openmoko could > (or is going to) offer a service like apple's .Mac > for the Openmoko users. I have some ideas (and > I'm sure you have a lot more) that could make > this service very useful. What kind of features do you want to see? What are the use cases? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
.Mac like service
Hi everyone, I wonder if there's any chance Openmoko could (or is going to) offer a service like apple's .Mac for the Openmoko users. I have some ideas (and I'm sure you have a lot more) that could make this service very useful. I was just about to add it to the wishlist, but I'm not sure where to do it. It is not a hardware matter, but it is not about sofware neither. And please notice I'm not saying it could be just for the Neo1973 and Freerunner users, but Openmoko, and by that I mean future Fic divices as well as other devices running Openmoko. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
