3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
Hello some months ago I discovered openmoko, this is a great project. I definately will buy one of these phones. What do users expect from a phone? At the moment, there are some hype-phones, like - nokia N95 (with 5 Mega Pixel Camera) - iphone (with a big Mp3 storage) - some phones experimenting with watching TV on the phone - Wlan is impemented - and a lot of providers offer now data flat rates to be always on.. for chatting, Instant Messenger and Mail check. Hope, with openmoke we as well can make pictures with 5 MP, listeing to music and maybe FM radio, to watch TV and Chat with our friends in the internet. I want to suggest to support these innovative standard for wathing TV and contacting friends. a) Watching TV There is a big competition of DMB and DVB-H, while DVB-H has a back-channel, it allows more data logging of users behaviours. We do not want that, users must be able to watch TV anoymous, without any logging, which channel they watch. Though, this would be offered with DMB, but here as wel it is possible to have Payed-TV. In general, we needs a Phone-TV, which is free and has not to be payed. This offers only DVB-T (and there is as well DVB-T2 (HD) on the roads). And: there is worldwide only one phone, which supports DVB-T. this is unfortunately on windiws mobile. Hope, that Openmoko can support as well the free, unpaids DVB-T on linux: GSmart t600 http://www.gigabytecm.com/eng/gbc_product.feature.aspx?pid=40tid=tabIndex=2Num= http://www.gigabytecm.com/eng/gbc_supportdetail.aspx?sid=69 http://www.gigabytecm.com/eng/gbc_supportdetail.aspx?sid=80 So my question is, is there any initiative, to support DVB-T Television in Openmoko? b) More and more Data-Flatrates are offered from Phone-Providers. This is uses only for surfing the web, emailing and most of all: instant messaging (the Gsart T 600 has MSN buddylist) Because users use then their mobile phones to keep in touch of their fiends, which should be free communication as well, we need a buddylist for openmoko. Here an open standard yould be used, and I suggest to use the latest one, without servers: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=618174 This buddylist is baed on a DHT, so the IP of the friend is found again in any online session. Furthermore it does not require any server. Third all communication is encrypted. maybe later on as well VOIP is possible over this security layer. Fourth, the client application suppoerts as well an email client, so all in one and I guess this is perfect for openmoko-users. IF you want secure VOIP calles, then now the basis should be done with the implementation of this buddylist. Currently the gui is a QT gui. And a wxwidget gui si planned to implement it into imule application from i2p.net. Dunno, which gui is better for a openmoko application. So I have the question, if openmoko applicartions should have better a wxwidget gui or a QT gui? Maybe a coder is interested to start with this messenger? c) there is a new way out for phoning without any phohe provider: Mesh-Networks. http://www.terranet.se/ http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/print/95960 is offering a mesh network, which allows to hop from phone to phone until there is an out-proxy to the internet or phone provider. Therefor the openmoko needs Wlan. So my question is, does Openmoko suppoert Wlan? There is a new protokol out for that, OLSR and B.A.T.M.A.N. (Better Approach to mobil adhoc Networks) https://www.open-mesh.net/batman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLSR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.A.T.M.A.N. So my question is, would it be of interest, to cooperate with the batman group to implement a hopping network into openmoko? and the question, if there is a WLan Interface? Maybe some of you can contact the three suggested sub-projects and implement a startup of the existing code into openmoko? Thanks and kind regards. Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
On 9/16/07, Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently the gui is a QT gui. And a wxwidget gui si planned to implement it into imule application from i2p.net. Dunno, which gui is better for a openmoko application. So I have the question, if openmoko applicartions should have better a wxwidget gui or a QT gui? Maybe a coder is interested to start with this messenger? Openmoko uses GTK+-2.x for GUI which is under LGPL. There is a lot of im clients available, and there has been a discussion about it in the list. Try to search up old posts. To focus on tv support before movie playback support would be strange. Right now it is important to get the software fast and stable, and add basic support for sms, phone calls, etc. This is only my opinion. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
On 16 Sep 2007, at 19:51, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: To focus on tv support before movie playback support would be strange. Right now it is important to get the software fast and stable, and add basic support for sms, phone calls, etc. This is only my opinion. Indeed and I've had a phone with TV and it was totally rubbish. It's hard enough getting a decent phone signal on the move sometimes never mind TV? You also run into issues of licencing, the TV phone I used required a licence fee each month, there's no way they would allow such a thing to be open source compatible as people would be able to hack it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
On 9/16/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote# Openmoko uses GTK+-2.x for GUI which is under LGPL. There is a lot of im clients available, and there has been a discussion about it in the list. Try to search up old posts. to be open this means the IM is only jabber or Rs, the serverless IM. I would suggest the serverless. GTk.. does this mean, every app needs that too or could a QT gui be used as well? As RS IM is a c++ library, maybe someone is interested to make a GTK gui? A FLTK gui is already there as well. You also run into issues of licencing, the TV phone I used required a licence fee each month, there's no way they would allow such a thing to be open source compatible as people would be able to hack it. DVB-T does not need any licence agreement, it is just terrestrial recieving on a phone. Therefore the display should be bigger... So this requires not a media player, but as well some hardware adjusting, a DVB-T Reciever chip and a bigger display. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
On 16 Sep 2007, at 22:16, Michael Schmidt wrote: DVB-T does not need any licence agreement, it is just terrestrial recieving on a phone. Therefore the display should be bigger... So this requires not a media player, but as well some hardware adjusting, a DVB-T Reciever chip and a bigger display. It's DVB-H not DVB-T on a handheld. We've yet to see how each country handles the system. DVB-T has conditional access for some channels in the UK. Not sure about DVB-H. There are higher priorities at this time. It needs hardware adding to the phone which joins a large list of other things people are asking for. Some people want media, some want messaging, others want compactness, others wants gaming, others want GPS etc... To add all results in a swiss army knife type phone, bulky. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
On 9/16/07, Michael Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/16/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote# Openmoko uses GTK+-2.x for GUI which is under LGPL. There is a lot of im clients available, and there has been a discussion about it in the list. Try to search up old posts. to be open this means the IM is only jabber or Rs, the serverless IM. I would suggest the serverless. GTk.. does this mean, every app needs that too or could a QT gui be used as well? As RS IM is a c++ library, maybe someone is interested to make a GTK gui? A FLTK gui is already there as well. You can install Qt if you like, but you cannot assume that all users will do that. Qt takes a lot of space ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
It's DVB-H not DVB-T on a handheld. We've yet to see how each country handles the system. DVB-T has conditional access for some channels in the UK. Not sure about DVB-H. you missunderstood me, this is exactly my point, use DVB-T and not DVB-H. There is the Gsmart T600 phone in my first mail linked, which has DVB-T. It works, It works only not, i if you drive in a car with fast speed. Only DVB-T allows an anonymous usage. DVB-.H has a back.channel and is tracking users. As well DVB-T2 Standard for high density Television is on its way... so just DVB-T is needs for a start.. Some people want media, some want messaging, others want compactness, others wants gaming, others want GPS etc... To add all results in a swiss army knife type phone, bulky. Right.. but this is the approach to a modern IPhone: Phone, mp3, 5MP-Photo, and Television. Data flatrates offer Instant Messaging, and for Afrika we get a Mesh network, which could be B.a.t.m.a.n... so we need three subteams to do some research in these fields.. as I see, that even the DVB-T Request has not been understood.. all users want free TV and watch PPLive sports and not encrypted TV... with DVB-T this phone would be ahead of all... Why paying, if all the country has terrestrial TV for Free? So the request is indeed to make right from the beginning the display a little bit wider to the ends and not rounded ends, but cutted edges at the phone, so that a bigger display is possible... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3 requests/questions for Openmoko: DVB-T / Buddylist / Batman-Mesh
Michael Schmidt writes: On 9/16/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can install Qt if you like, but you cannot assume that all users will do that. Qt takes a lot of space Qt is the future, would it be possible to pre-install the open libraries? Or aren t the needed classes and widgets of QT then in the gui of each app, so that the whole QT library need not ot be installed? just the app? It's a future, not necessarily the' future. I'm a very happy GTK user. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
