Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
You want one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ ? Marc. On 1/20/07, Josef Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 04:07:40PM +0100, Torsten Röhl wrote: Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that the next neo1973 generation phones are also iphone like (without qwerty keypad) ... i think a neo1973 next generation phone with qwerty keypad is just another phone and not more the wonderful neo1973 linux phone. Ough! I just can't imagine how to use emacs with this new iphone concept. While this new concept is a fine thing for a phone, I'd like to be able to do _real_ work with it. I'm a developer, so my main tool is emacs, but there are more tasks (e.g. email/mail) where a kbd would be usefull. With a proper keyboard, we would have a laptop-replacement. No way to do _real_ work with a touchscreen. Unless I can connect a _real_ keyboard (probably via usb), I don't need this phone. I like the concept and the idea, but... no kbd implies no emacs... No way. Sorry. Please note that I'm not talking about integrating a mini-keyboard (like the original poster said). I'm just talking about the possibility to connect an usb-keyboard. BTW: Any new information how long we have to wait for our new toy? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
On Saturday 20 January 2007 10:19, Marc Verwerft wrote: You want one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ ? I tried one of those, five stars for coolness, one star for usability, especially for our EMACS friend, it's not exactly meant for heavy typers. You're likely better off with a stowaway BT keyboard (there are plenty of others out there, but haven't tried them so hard to recommend), or, if you can spare the space (like a car), the happy hacking keyboard. But PLEASE consider the situation and TRY it out before you get heated up on heavy typing (no, writing a letter is not heavy typing) on any small screen PDA or phone - the screen is relatively small, so to see everything you have to get close (especially on terminal/emacs type usage) - much closer than your keyboard distance, which makes regular typing cumbersome. But then again, it might be just that my eyesight is too poor for the technology :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Ough! I just can't imagine how to use emacs with this new iphone concept. While this new concept is a fine thing for a phone, I'd like to be able to do _real_ work with it. I'm a developer, so my main tool is emacs, but there are more tasks (e.g. email/mail) where a kbd would be usefull. With a proper keyboard, we would have a laptop-replacement. No way to do _real_ work with a touchscreen. Unless I can connect a _real_ keyboard (probably via usb), I don't need this phone. I like the concept and the idea, but... no kbd implies no emacs... No way. Sorry. Please note that I'm not talking about integrating a mini-keyboard (like the original poster said). I'm just talking about the possibility to connect an usb-keyboard. BTW: Any new information how long we have to wait for our new toy? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Don't forget about the bluetooth option, there are already many nice bluetooth keyboards and even mice out for desktop and mobile systems. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
On Saturday 13 January 2007 13:0 PS I have an unrelated question. I see that FIC produces laptops (the contact for clients here in the Netherlands is someone in the UK). I expect you are a user of these laptops. Do you have a good experience? I was very upset when, at the moment of buying my current laptop almost 2 years ago, I was forcefed a copy of XP. It is of little importance that it was away from my HD by the time I returned home by train from the shop. I had to pay, possibly for the first time since MS-DOS, a microsoft tax. Do you know if FIC is bound by the same idiot rules, or I can purchase a portable with a clean hard drive? I might be interested in a GR3 model. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Subject: Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: sab 13 gen 07 07:40:39 + Quoting Sean Moss-Pultz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the phone comes to be somewhat larger! Yes but this kind of stuff is Q3 / Q4 for us. Very nice to know. We're focusing on the software issue first. This, IMO, is a far bigger problem. I know our first phone is not 3G, not WiFi, and doesn't have a QWERTY keypad. But please remember, this is unlocked and unsubsidized. Many components in this handset are currently being shipped in our other phones in high-volume in Asia. This is the _only_ way I could sell a device in the sub-$500 range. Which I think is super important for getting critical mass of an open phone. All this is perfectly understandable. I only wanted you (and FIC) to know that there is interest in a treo-like open phone. Many thanks for what you are doing! Carlo PS I have an unrelated question. I see that FIC produces laptops (the contact for clients here in the Netherlands is someone in the UK). I expect you are a user of these laptops. Do you have a good experience? I was very upset when, at the moment of buying my current laptop almost 2 years ago, I was forcefed a copy of XP. It is of little importance that it was away from my HD by the time I returned home by train from the shop. I had to pay, possibly for the first time since MS-DOS, a microsoft tax. Do you know if FIC is bound by the same idiot rules, or I can purchase a portable with a clean hard drive? I might be interested in a GR3 model. -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
On 1/13/07 9:03 PM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know if FIC is bound by the same idiot rules, or I can purchase a portable with a clean hard drive? I might be interested in a GR3 model. This is totally out of our control. These kinds of rules are company-to-Microsoft, really. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Am Montag, 15. Januar 2007 15:44 schrieb Andreas Kostyrka: * Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070115 15:35]: On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the phone comes to be somewhat larger! Yes but this kind of stuff is Q3 / Q4 for us. We're focusing on the software issue first. This, IMO, is a far bigger problem. I know our first phone is not 3G, not WiFi, and doesn't have a QWERTY keypad. But please remember, this is unlocked and unsubsidized. Many components in this handset are currently being shipped in our other phones in high-volume in Asia. This is the _only_ way I could sell a device in the sub-$500 range. Which I think is super important for getting critical mass of an open phone. That's something I've wondered, why are these things so cheap? Typically, one pays the same amount for a subsidized Winmobiles with a contract here arounds. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that the next neo1973 generation phones are also iphone like (without qwerty keypad) ... i think a neo1973 next generation phone with qwerty keypad is just another phone and not more the wonderful neo1973 linux phone. Torsten ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Torsten Röhl writes: Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that the next neo1973 generation phones are also iphone like (without qwerty keypad) ... i think a neo1973 next generation phone with qwerty keypad is just another phone and not more the wonderful neo1973 linux phone. I know people who are as adamant that they want a qwerty keyboard as I am that I don't. If I could get a Treo with no keyboard, I'd probably have replaced my current phone a year ago and wouldn't be able to justify being in the market for one the day the 1973 is released. So I'd think having versions both with- and without keyboard would be the best strategy (but if I knew anything about marketing, I'd probably not be a professor). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Subject: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: Fri 12 Jan 07 10:19:36AM + Quoting Kenshin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If someone does indeed get Linux running on the iPhone, can we also expect to have the freedom to install anything we want, including OpenMoko? (it's FOSS right?) I have a related question. I am quite happy about the development that is bringing to the production of the neo1973, because I am eager to own a phone for which I can comfortably develop apps. Openmoko is going in the right direction, from my point of view. But I am used to have a phone with QWERTY keyboard together with a touchscreen (currently, a treo 650). There are lots of cute models around which sport a keyboard, from the Motorola Q, to the Nokia E61, to this new Samsung model (SCH-i760) which can be seen on a page on mobile-review.com whose URL was posted yesterday on this list. Or even the Sharp PV-200 (AKA T-Mobile Sidekick 3). I am used to write SMS messages with my thumbs while walking. I hated palm graffiti - way too many errors: writing was painfully slow. And if, as I expect, text input on the neo will be from a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen, with a stylus, walking and typing will simply not be possible. My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the phone comes to be somewhat larger! Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
I realise this in no way answers your question, but this mini bluetooth keyboard http://www.freedominput.com/mainsite/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=12Itemid=30 seems similar in size to what you get on communicator-style phones of which you speak. It would certainly be no good for walking and typing (although it comes with some kind of dubious phone clip/rest) but it could probably fit comfortably in your pocket with the Neo and be used when sitting. It's cheap, I think it's made in China and sold rebranded across the world It's easy to find through google/ebay. Here's one pretty in depth, positive review: http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detailt=reviewsid=725 With regards to things like a built in keyboard and the rest, I'm personally hoping that in the coming years we'll see a whole variety of different physical configurations of these phones (all with the ultra-high res screen of course :-) ), one to suit every need, and all running the fantastic OpenMoko platform. Justyn. On 12/01/07, Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: Fri 12 Jan 07 10:19:36AM + But I am used to have a phone with QWERTY keyboard together with a touchscreen (currently, a treo 650). There are lots of cute models around which sport a keyboard, from the Motorola Q, to the Nokia E61, to this new Samsung model (SCH-i760) which can be seen on a page on mobile-review.com whose URL was posted yesterday on this list. Or even the Sharp PV-200 (AKA T-Mobile Sidekick 3). I am used to write SMS messages with my thumbs while walking. I hated palm graffiti - way too many errors: writing was painfully slow. And if, as I expect, text input on the neo will be from a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen, with a stylus, walking and typing will simply not be possible. My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the phone comes to be somewhat larger! Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
Another possible entry device for walking might be the frogpad: http://www.frogpad.com/ Andreas * Carlo E. Prelz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070112 12:24]: Subject: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: Fri 12 Jan 07 10:19:36AM + Quoting Kenshin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If someone does indeed get Linux running on the iPhone, can we also expect to have the freedom to install anything we want, including OpenMoko? (it's FOSS right?) I have a related question. I am quite happy about the development that is bringing to the production of the neo1973, because I am eager to own a phone for which I can comfortably develop apps. Openmoko is going in the right direction, from my point of view. But I am used to have a phone with QWERTY keyboard together with a touchscreen (currently, a treo 650). There are lots of cute models around which sport a keyboard, from the Motorola Q, to the Nokia E61, to this new Samsung model (SCH-i760) which can be seen on a page on mobile-review.com whose URL was posted yesterday on this list. Or even the Sharp PV-200 (AKA T-Mobile Sidekick 3). I am used to write SMS messages with my thumbs while walking. I hated palm graffiti - way too many errors: writing was painfully slow. And if, as I expect, text input on the neo will be from a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen, with a stylus, walking and typing will simply not be possible. My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the phone comes to be somewhat larger! Carlo -- * Se la Strada e la sua Virtu' non fossero state messe da parte, * K * Carlo E. Prelz - [EMAIL PROTECTED] che bisogno ci sarebbe * di parlare tanto di amore e di rettitudine? (Chuang-Tzu) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone
You see, here is a difference in needs. There is no way a phone could contein a QUERTY keyboard with buttons big enough for my fingers so I'm trying to avoid even seeing that kind of phone:-) Anyway a 5 direction key would be nice to have.. Carlo E. Prelz wrote: Subject: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: Fri 12 Jan 07 10:19:36AM + Quoting Kenshin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): If someone does indeed get Linux running on the iPhone, can we also expect to have the freedom to install anything we want, including OpenMoko? (it's FOSS right?) I have a related question. I am quite happy about the development that is bringing to the production of the neo1973, because I am eager to own a phone for which I can comfortably develop apps. Openmoko is going in the right direction, from my point of view. But I am used to have a phone with QWERTY keyboard together with a touchscreen (currently, a treo 650). There are lots of cute models around which sport a keyboard, from the Motorola Q, to the Nokia E61, to this new Samsung model (SCH-i760) which can be seen on a page on mobile-review.com whose URL was posted yesterday on this list. Or even the Sharp PV-200 (AKA T-Mobile Sidekick 3). I am used to write SMS messages with my thumbs while walking. I hated palm graffiti - way too many errors: writing was painfully slow. And if, as I expect, text input on the neo will be from a virtual keyboard on the touchscreen, with a stylus, walking and typing will simply not be possible. My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal preferences) No matter if the phone comes to be somewhat larger! Carlo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
