Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-14 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 11:52, t3st3r wrote: [snip] > I'm do not care about google mail. However it is quite strange that when > I'm about to reply, there is actual message author in To: and mailing > list in CC: in my Thunderbird.As for me, this is inconvienient. IMHO, > list address should

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-14 Thread t3st3r
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For instance: Proposed wiki page: How to respond to list email: 1. Never remove any "re: " in the message subject. Some (not all) email clients use this to identify the thread. 2. If your email client adds the original poster and other addressees to the

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-14 Thread t3st3r
Robert Michel wrote: [...deleted] I've tried Yahoo mail, didn't like it, I even tried Fastmail in the past. (which was slow) Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like and that I use. And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing over their cu

References: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Ryan Kline
>S: Small hint: Your Email hasn't a working "References:" or "In-Reply-To:" in its header, so no email client could put it into the right thread. Please check if you can answer with "Referneces". I'm new to forums, etc. Could someone post a tutorial on using Apple mail for referec

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
@ Hank, please don't be spiteful. We get nowhere by name-calling. Marcel, You are right. Despite the suggestions that I as a gmail user 1. dont know any better" 2. am ignorant, 3. shouldnt be on the list 4. am somehow imoral for using gmail 5. am assisting gmail in spying on him I shouldnt ha

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Marcel de Jong
Hello Robert my apologies too, I was somewhere in a bad mood at the moment I wrote that response, it was like adding oil on the flames, you couldn't know that either. On 2/13/07, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Salve Marcel,*! This is a personal answer from me - I'm very sorry to star

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Reid, Your test doesnt work when you are looking at messages that you yourself sent. Messages you send from a given thread are always in the same thread, but messages from someone else from the same thread with a different subject are not put in the same thread, and that is the problem on the lis

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Reid Thompson
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 12:00 -0500, hank williams wrote: > On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: > > > hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail "the > > > better way". With your way, even if you chang

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread michael
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote: Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list. Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Oh, and one more thing. You've been told this by others before, but you igore it so I will say it again. You keep changing the subject of your posts, and whether you like it or not you are screwing up gmail threading, and I suspect threading from other programs. That wouldnt be so bad if your new

Re: Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
> Gmail is responsive for me, and has a lot of good features that I like > and that I use. > And so far I have yet to see any proof of Google actively scr*wing > over their customers, by violating their privacy. Yes they add ads on > the side of the page by scanning your email, Yes, google is sca

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
On 2/13/07, Reid Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: > hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail "the > better way". With your way, even if you change the subject it would be > part of the same thread. I believe that

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Reid Thompson
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 10:02 -0500, hank williams wrote: > hmm... guess those Google guys aren't smart enough to handle mail "the > better way". With your way, even if you change the subject it would be > part of the same thread. I believe that is proper --> to remain part of the same thread. To c

Just a personal feedback - I'm just writing for me Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Marcel,*! This is a personal answer from me - I'm very sorry to started this thread going into deep and I do not want to harm Openmoko by dissmotivating people to join... So, my style was not ok and I already asked for excuse me. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Marcel de Jong wrote: > Sorry for not

Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
But webmailer and services payed with adverticement and data mining are still sub optimal solutions and IMHO provoking when they are producing problems - e.g. based on that the users does known only hotmail.com, AOL, gmail or outlook and does not know that there are more and better solutions

Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Marcel de Jong
Sorry for not replying at the bottom... Why the open hostility towards GMail users? You all tout "we want freedom to choose" and all that, but still you'd like to stifle the same level of freedom of others. I choose to use GMail, that's a deliberate choice, because it's one of the few great _we

Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Andrew! On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Andrew Turner wrote: > As a Gmail user (all my emails route to Gmail), I found it the best > because it is free, reliable, works on all my mobile devices, large > storage, easy to use, good spam filtering, and has excellent > threading. > > In fact, the only me

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Thanks Richard. I have read this before, but forgot the official name of reply-to munging. I think your analysis is correct. The only thing I would say is that the "non-standards compliant" way of handling list administration is in fact, as far as I can tell, the standard way that at least the m

Re: This explains the CC'ing but what's about the missing references? Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Salve hank! This explains the CC'ing. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: > I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail > and think I understand the problem. > > The problem is with the list. > > I am on 15 te

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
On 2/13/07, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: > You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads > properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gmail users how t

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Richard Bennett
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 15:28, hank williams wrote: > Again, out of 15 lists, this only happens for me on the openmoko list. > Now I have read that some consider this a feature. And perhaps there > are benefits I don't understand. but with 25-50% of the tech mailing > list readers using gmail,

This explains the CC'ing but what's about the missing references? Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve hank! This explains the CC'ing. On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: > I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail > and think I understand the problem. > > The problem is with the list. > > I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if

Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Andrew Turner
As a Gmail user (all my emails route to Gmail), I found it the best because it is free, reliable, works on all my mobile devices, large storage, easy to use, good spam filtering, and has excellent threading. In fact, the only messages that become de-threaded are yours rob. Your habit of changing

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve hank! Thank you for your feedback ;) On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, hank williams wrote: > You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads > properly. Maybe, it would be nice when other gmail users explain gmail users how to use gmail proper, instead of that I have to inform

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
I just read the other email which started this discussion about gmail and think I understand the problem. The problem is with the list. I am on 15 tech mailing lists, and this is the only one which, if I in gmail say "reply to" replys to the sender and not to the list. I NEVER*** want to re

Re: Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread hank williams
Robert, You are misinformed if you believe that gmail does not handle threads properly. In fact I think it is the best product on the market, free or otherwise, for handling threads. The problem which you are referring to has nothing to do with gmail, but with the fact that some people mistakenl

Sorry... Re: And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! Excuse me, I myself was writing once here on this list about respect and to give everybody a warm welcome. The best solution for mailinglist formal things would be personal mails with explaination... Robert Michel schrieb am Dienstag, den 13. Februar 2007 um 13:57h: > The gmailers here on

And please use a emailclients with working "Reference" Re: gmail users CC'ing

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Richard, *! I full agree with you! But dubbel mails from gmail is IMHO not the worst - it is starting new threads with every answer be not using working "Referneces" or "In-Replay-To" On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Richard Bennett wrote: > Hi, > Why so many people who believe in the ideals put f