Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-29 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/26 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org:
 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:13:20PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 This Saturday, at the DebConf'09 in Cáceres, I met the nice folks of
 TuxBrain (hi David, et all) who buzz fixed my Freerunner.

 Aftera little while, I wanted to buy the extremely slim protection slip
 but they had no change, so I was sad.

 I connected to the wifi network, fired up midori in my recent SHR
 installation, went to the TuxBrain web shop and bought the slip without
 transportation costs, as it was being given right then... I was happy :)

 I also tried to charge up some cash on a SIM card account from my
 homebanking, but my bank doesn't like midori for at some point the
 transaction would silently fail. Made me sad... at my bank.

 Rui
This is included on the Openmoko Debconf09 Tour Video :P, will be published soon

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-25 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:13:20PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.
 
 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

This Saturday, at the DebConf'09 in Cáceres, I met the nice folks of
TuxBrain (hi David, et all) who buzz fixed my Freerunner.

Aftera little while, I wanted to buy the extremely slim protection slip
but they had no change, so I was sad.

I connected to the wifi network, fired up midori in my recent SHR
installation, went to the TuxBrain web shop and bought the slip without
transportation costs, as it was being given right then... I was happy :)

I also tried to charge up some cash on a SIM card account from my
homebanking, but my bank doesn't like midori for at some point the
transaction would silently fail. Made me sad... at my bank.

Rui

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-23 Thread Ben Wong
I've got a simple success to share.

My nine year old niece and her family expressed an interest in
geocaching.  I said, Oh, my phone does GPS!  which led to this
series of Happy Moko Moments:

* Used Midori over GPRS to create an account on geocaching.com and to
look up the latitude and longitude of the closest cache to their home.
* Showed a map with TangoGPS.
* Downloaded the SimpleCaching application from opkg.org.
* As a family outing, we followed the arrow in SimpleCaching to a
park, to a statue named Sensei, to a nearby tree, and finally to a
rock under the tree.
* Found the hidden treasure, put some items inside.
* My niece and her family had a lot of fun, all thanks to my neo.

--Ben


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Warren
Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 Here are a few of my own:

   - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
 especially on business trips
   - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I
 didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
 able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
 when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.
   - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite
 complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely
 impressed people.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

 Warren

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 17.07.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:

 a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student- 
 built racing car (Formula Student)

 b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in  
 Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors

 c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get  
 permission soon to post a link to photos

Permission has been granted (thanks to Bernd) by Deutsches Zentrum für  
Luft- und Raumfahrt (German Aerospace Center - DLR: http://www.dlr.de/en/ 
  ).

Here is a link to the rocket project:

http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/  
(german)

and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the  
Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th  
May 2009):

http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p14569



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread David Garabana Barro
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 08:52:01 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

 Here is a link to the rocket project:

 http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
 http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/
 (german)

 and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the
 Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th
 May 2009):

 http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p14569

:)

What was the function of the freerunner?
GPS?

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org:

 Am 17.07.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:

 a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-
 built racing car (Formula Student)

 b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in
 Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors

 c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get
 permission soon to post a link to photos

 Permission has been granted (thanks to Bernd) by Deutsches Zentrum für
 Luft- und Raumfahrt (German Aerospace Center - DLR: http://www.dlr.de/en/)
  ).

 Here is a link to the rocket project:

 http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
 http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/
 (german)

 and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the
 Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th
 May 2009):

 http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p14569
Can we make difusion of the pictures? mentioning of course the source
and the owner of them DLR (German Aerospace Center - DLR:
http://www.dlr.de/en/)



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 22.07.2009 um 09:46 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez:

 2009/7/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org:

 Am 17.07.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:

 a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-
 built racing car (Formula Student)

 b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in
 Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors

 c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get
 permission soon to post a link to photos

 Permission has been granted (thanks to Bernd) by Deutsches Zentrum  
 für
 Luft- und Raumfahrt (German Aerospace Center - DLR: http://www.dlr.de/en/)
  ).

 Here is a link to the rocket project:

 http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
 http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/
 (german)

 and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the
 Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th
 May 2009):

 http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p14569
 Can we make difusion of the pictures? mentioning of course the source
 and the owner of them DLR (German Aerospace Center - DLR:
 http://www.dlr.de/en/)

I think the best is to link to the original server (it has enough  
bandwidth).

Nikolaus


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org:

 Am 22.07.2009 um 09:46 schrieb David Reyes Samblas Martinez:

 2009/7/22 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org:

 Am 17.07.2009 um 09:08 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:

 I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:

 a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-
 built racing car (Formula Student)

 b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in
 Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors

 c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get
 permission soon to post a link to photos

 Permission has been granted (thanks to Bernd) by Deutsches Zentrum
 für
 Luft- und Raumfahrt (German Aerospace Center - DLR: http://www.dlr.de/en/)
  ).

 Here is a link to the rocket project:

 http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
 http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/
 (german)

 and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the
 Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th
 May 2009):

 http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p14569
 Can we make difusion of the pictures? mentioning of course the source
 and the owner of them DLR (German Aerospace Center - DLR:
 http://www.dlr.de/en/)

 I think the best is to link to the original server (it has enough
 bandwidth).
Is that the original server?
http://www.goldelico.com/images/dlr/
I search in the links of the rockect project on DLR and I don't find
them, only the launching one

 Nikolaus


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

 I think the best is to link to the original server (it has enough
 bandwidth).
 Is that the original server?
 http://www.goldelico.com/images/dlr/

Yes.

 I search in the links of the rockect project on DLR and I don't find
 them, only the launching one

They are not directly hosted at DLR.

A much better approach please link to

  http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p14569

because it contains all relevant material and descriptions (and allows  
to move pictures to different servers).

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 09:03:03 David Garabana Barro wrote:
 On Wednesday 22 July 2009 08:52:01 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  Here is a link to the rocket project:
 
  http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
  http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/
  (german)
 
  and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the
  Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th
  May 2009):
 
  http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p1456
 9
 
 :)

 What was the function of the freerunner?

DLR chose the FreeRunner for various reasons, among them: reasons:

*) Testing how mobile communications consumer electronics behaves under these 
environmental conditions,
*) Being able to 100% control what is running on the device (i.e. being 
_REALLY_ REALLY really sure that RF is turned off),
*) Measuring accelleration

Did I mention they ran FSO? :)

Cheers,

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-22 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/22 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de:
 On Wednesday 22 July 2009 09:03:03 David Garabana Barro wrote:
 On Wednesday 22 July 2009 08:52:01 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
  Here is a link to the rocket project:
 
  http://www.ssc.se/?id=14315 (english)
  http://www.dlr.de/irs/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5038/8410_read-14463/
  (german)
 
  and a link to the (german) forum where you can see the photos of the
  Freerunner mounted to the equipment carrier and the launch (on 22th
  May 2009):
 
  http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20t=1430p=14569#p1456
 9
 
 :)

 What was the function of the freerunner?

 DLR chose the FreeRunner for various reasons, among them: reasons:

 *) Testing how mobile communications consumer electronics behaves under these
 environmental conditions,
 *) Being able to 100% control what is running on the device (i.e. being
 _REALLY_ REALLY really sure that RF is turned off),
 *) Measuring accelleration

 Did I mention they ran FSO? :)
Man, you proud is seeing from here(Spain) :), I will mentioned it on
the article I'm preparing, any other details about the mission on the
freerunner in the rocket will be welcome , German is hard to
understand to me.

 Cheers,

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-21 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:13:20PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
 Here are a few of my own:
 
   - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
 especially on business trips

   It's good for showing off the high resolution of the screen. Having
480x640 instead of 320x240 means that with the map covering the same area,
you can zoom in one level further and therefore see more street names, etc.

   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
 able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
 when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.

   I think so to. I'm using ePDFview and xpdf to view PDFs like this one, a
daily graphical timetable of trains crossing the border between Denmark and
Sweden today:

https://banportalen.banverket.se/Banportalen/filer/Trafik/Planeraochtilldelatrafik/Tagplan2009/Dagligtagplan2009/Dagliga_grafer/Dagliga%20grafer/090721/45_X051.pdf

   A 640x480 screen is (barely) enough to make out enough of the train
numbers to tell passenger trains from freight trains and spot 388xx extra
freight trains without having to zoom in. It just wouldn't have worked with
a lower res screen.

   (A major problem with ePDFview is that it puts a (huge) border around the
page, wasting screen real estate for no benefit at all.)

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

   For sure my biggest success at the moment is that it gets my emails out!
My ISP, having always firewalled outgoing SMTP connections, now also
requires authentication for their relay host, but has not made sure all
customers have access codes and passwords. So while I'm looking for a
replacement ISP, my outgoing email is routed to the Freerunner with Postfix
installed as mail server, which then deliveres it over a GPRS connection.
How would I do that on an iPhone or a smartphone running Windows Mobile?
Chances are I couldn't.

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments - playing Ogg Vorbis files

2009-07-21 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 02:05:00PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk writes:
 FWIW, you can s/-t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100/-f cdr/.
 
 Sure but I have another version for 22050 Hz podcasts so I preferred
 to be explicit.

'-f cdr -r 22050' works as expected and is shorter. :-)

  And indeed it decodes in realtime at just 100 MHz.
 
 You are using the cpufreq patches? Any thing else than what I mirrored at
 
 http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/consumption/

   I'm using the patches I've posted on the kernel mailing list:
https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-April/009760.html
https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-April/009762.html
https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-April/009764.html
Delete arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/cpufreq.c before applying the next patch.
https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-April/010001.html
https://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2009-June/010285.html

   I vaguely recall that hunk two of patch number two above no longer
applies cleanly but should be easy enough to apply by hand.

 and are you able to survive suspend/resume with it?

   Yes, no problems after the last patch. I suppose it's time to clean it up
and submit it for inclusion into the kernel.

 Btw, I can't get aplay to use a buffer larger than 32768 samples. That
  may be a kernel driver bug.
 
 I just added a buffer to the example player itself I think. I think
 you can use general purpose buffer program in the pipeline too.

   But we need to get the samples to the DMA controller. Quoting
sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-pcm.c:

static const struct snd_pcm_hardware s3c24xx_pcm_hardware = {
[...]
.channels_min   = 2,
.channels_max   = 2,
.buffer_bytes_max   = 128*1024,
.period_bytes_min   = PAGE_SIZE,
.period_bytes_max   = PAGE_SIZE*2,
.periods_min= 2,
.periods_max= 128,
.fifo_size  = 32,
};

   The hardware limit is (2^20 - 1) * 2 bytes or nearly 2048 kB.
Artificially limitting the buffer size to 128 kB is just stupid IMNSHO. We
don't need to pretend it's an ISA sound card. I'll see if something breaks
when the limit is relaxed.

 apt-get --build source apt-get source gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
 
 prints
 
 checking for vorbis_block_init in -lvorbisidec... no

   It's not documented to exist. As far as I can tell, it's for internal use
only. I'll have a look at it.

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments - playing Ogg Vorbis files

2009-07-20 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen ccc94...@vip.cybercity.dk writes:
FWIW, you can s/-t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100/-f cdr/.

Sure but I have another version for 22050 Hz podcasts so I preferred
to be explicit.

 And indeed it decodes in realtime at just 100 MHz.

You are using the cpufreq patches? Any thing else than what I mirrored at

http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/consumption/

and are you able to survive suspend/resume with it?

Btw, I can't get aplay to use a buffer larger than 32768 samples. That
 may be a kernel driver bug.

I just added a buffer to the example player itself I think. I think
you can use general purpose buffer program in the pipeline too.

A related issue to take up with the Debian maintainers is the lack of
 the 'vorbisidec' element in the gstreamer plugin packages:

apt-get --build source apt-get source gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad

prints

checking for vorbis_block_init in -lvorbisidec... no

and indeed that symbol is not found:

$ grep vorbis_block_init /usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so.1
$ echo $?
1


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-20 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Friday 17 July 2009, David Fokkema wrote:
 Using the FR as an
 alternative to this (Nagios SMS notification)

 http://www.nagios.org/products/notification/foxbox/

Not that using the freerunner would not be a good application, but if 
you are interested in even cheaper ways to do that: we simply use a 
Huawei UMTS modem (about 60€) and kannel as an SMS gateway, works like 
a charm! Provides receiving, sending SMS and status notification via 
HTTP URL calls.

Cheers,
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-19 Thread Steve 'dillo Okay (Roadknight Mobility Labs)

I have complained quite a bit about the FR and UI/UE in the current  
distros, but I find myself missing my device and eagerly awaiting it's  
return from SDG w/ the buzz-fix added.

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments - playing Ogg Vorbis files

2009-07-19 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:21:24PM +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:

 ivorbisfile_example  foo.ogg | aplay -t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100 -B
 800 -

   FWIW, you can s/-t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100/-f cdr/.

 CPU usage should be strictly less than 25%.

   Coolness. I looked around and found it precompiled here:

http://lair.fifthhorseman.net/~dkg/src/tremor/2009-04-24/libvorbisidec-debug-2009-04-24/

And indeed it decodes in realtime at just 100 MHz.

   Btw, I can't get aplay to use a buffer larger than 32768 samples. That
may be a kernel driver bug.

 If you have time please look at 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515259

   A related issue to take up with the Debian maintainers is the lack of
the 'vorbisidec' element in the gstreamer plugin packages:

$ gst-inspect | grep -F -i -e vorbis
vorbis:  vorbisenc: Vorbis audio encoder
vorbis:  vorbisdec: Vorbis audio decoder
vorbis:  vorbisparse: VorbisParse
vorbis:  vorbistag: VorbisTag
typefindfunctions: audio/x-vorbis: no extensions
rtp:  rtpvorbisdepay: RTP Vorbis depayloader
rtp:  rtpvorbispay: RTP Vorbis depayloader

   Currently, the only Debian package that has libvorbisidec1 listed as
dependency is mpd. :-(

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-18 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca writes:
 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

I love how easy it is to do quick application development.

For example, last week I was in Norway and suddenly figured out that
all the hiking maps have UTM coordinates which I know nothing
about. The following was done in a car with the xvkbd virtual keyboard
on debian. (A real physical keyboard would probably have saved some
time).

1) 15 minutes to google what UTM is with the elinks browser over GPRS.

2) 15 minutes to figure out that debian has a package called 'proj'
   (Cartographic projection filter and library) that I can use to do
   the conversion. I installed this package first on my server over
   SSH so that I can test it before downloading it to my phone.

3) 15 minutes to read the man page of proj and write a simple script
   that converts latitude/longtitude to UTM x/y coordinates:

$ cat ~/bin/utm
#/bin/sh
lat=$1 # 60
lon=$2
lon_0=$3
echo $lat $lon |proj +proj=utm -r +ellps=WGS84 +lon_0=$lon_0

4) 10 minutes to read the man page again to really understand what an
   earth is going on and compare the results against a paper map :-)

5) 10 minutes to write a helper that fetches current position from GPS
   and shows it in UTM coordinates:

$ cat ~/bin/utm-show
#!/usr/bin/perl

my $ret = `gps-get-position`;
#my $ret = 70.175485000 24.903566833;
chomp($ret);
my ($lat, $lon) = split(/[ \t]+/, $ret);
$ret = `utm $lat $lon 29`;
chomp($ret);
my ($x, $y) = split(/[ \t]+/, $ret);
printf(%02.1f\n%02.1f\n,
   ($x % 10) / 1000.0,
   ($y % 10) / 1000.0);

6) 10 minutes to write a very simple helper that shows the UTM
   coordinates with xmessage in fullscreen and has two buttons, one to
   get new position from GPS and one to quit.

$ cat ~/bin/xutm-show
#!/bin/sh
while true; do
xmessage -fn '-*-clean-*-*-*-*-*-1600-*-*-*-*-*-*' -geometry 480x640+0+0 
-buttons r,q `utm-show`
ret=$?
if [ $ret = 101 ]; then
continue
fi
if [ $ret = 102 ]; then
exit
fi
done




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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-18 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com writes:
 That said, if anyone knows a way to make it not cut and skip when playing
 OGG with mplayer niced at -19, I'd love to hear it. It's not too bad right

Use tremor.

gcc -o ~/bin/ivorbisfile_example -lvorbisidec 
/usr/share/doc/libvorbisidec-dev/examples/ivorbisfile_example.c 
sudo renice -19 -p $$
ivorbisfile_example  foo.ogg | aplay -t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100 -B 800 
-

CPU usage should be strictly less than 25%.

If you have time please look at 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515259



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-18 Thread GNUtoo
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 12:21 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com writes:
  That said, if anyone knows a way to make it not cut and skip when playing
  OGG with mplayer niced at -19, I'd love to hear it. It's not too bad right
 
 Use tremor.
 
 gcc -o ~/bin/ivorbisfile_example -lvorbisidec 
 /usr/share/doc/libvorbisidec-dev/examples/ivorbisfile_example.c 
 sudo renice -19 -p $$
 ivorbisfile_example  foo.ogg | aplay -t raw -c 2 -f S16_BE -r 44100 -B 
 800 -
 
 CPU usage should be strictly less than 25%.
 
 If you have time please look at 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515259
does modifying the mplayer config(if I remember well it's
in /usr/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf) file for making it use libvorbis
instead of ffmpeg and installing tremor works?
(that's what I use and the cpu usage is lower)
Denis.


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-18 Thread pike
Hi

 But I could sit in the train in peace.
 And while on that train, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel?

no, sorry, i was staring at a black terminal

:-)
*-pike

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-18 Thread Alexander Lehner


My 2 Cents:

My goal is to have the FR with me on a one week outdoor holiday without 
power plants, without battery shops etc.
(Mainly is GPS tracking, and some GPRS/UMTS connects).
So I was trying different ways to keep the phone charged 24/24 + 7/7 by 
alternative resources: solar power, bycicle dynamo, even a hand crank.

See some funny pictures on my site:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Blutsauger

It is surprising, how difficult and even hard it is, to produce 
electricity this way.
By using the hand crank, I could even 'feel' the power consumption of the 
phone!
So this gave me an impression, how important a power-saving software 
development is (this is something that can/should also be done on the 
application level), and second:

It is sursprising how resistent the FR is against strange power input!
I now really have feed the phone with almost everything between 1.0 and 
12 Volt, real DC and some badly smoothed DC, and it is still alive!
Also playing with the different options of charging currents is pretty 
much fun and I learned a lot about USB power specs etc. and I must say 
that FR really does everything right, in contrast to many different other 
USB power leeching devices.


A.


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-18 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Alexander
Lehnerleh...@edv-buero-lehner.de wrote:
 See some funny pictures on my site:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Blutsauger

ok, i think you get the biggest geek award thus far. that setup is
most impressive

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread rakshat hooja
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Warren Baird
wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote:

 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.


You also asked for happy moments so when I palyed Duke Nukeem 3D with
accelerometers on the Freerunner almost 8 months ago  I was one happy
person. It was my favourite game on my 486 when I was in school!

Rakshat
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
 With my Freerunner, I am able to control a telescope
 5000 miles away, and analyse the data, while I sit in a
 pizza parlor.   It's the high resolution display and the
 X11 server that lets me do this.
Ken, this is ... this is only a word comes to my mind, beautiful.

there will be awesome to haves some pictures, screenshots, and if
posible a video of this,




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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:

a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-built  
racing car (Formula Student)


b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in  
Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors


c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get  
permission soon to post a link to photos


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Thomas B
rakshat hooja schrieb:
 You also asked for happy moments so when I palyed Duke Nukeem 3D with
 accelerometers on the Freerunner almost 8 months ago  I was one happy
 person. It was my favourite game on my 486 when I was in school!

I loved to be able to play Monkey Island and Day of the Tentacle on my 
Freerunner using ScummVM. Those were my favorite games of that time ;-)

Regards,
Thomas


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jose Luis Perez Diez
El Thursday, 16 de July de 2009 21:13:20 Warren Baird va escriure:
 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

I have converted the neo with om2009 on an usable development system using 
distcc and make from Angstrom repositories and the toolchain on the host.

I tested it building rakudo from scrtatch in less than 5 hours. 

is...@om-gta02:~/rakudo-2009-06$ time ./perl6 -e'hello 
movile.say' ;time ./perl6 --version
hello movile

real0m43.844s
user0m30.220s
sys 0m2.185s
This is Rakudo Perl 6.

Copyright 2006-2009, The Perl Foundation.


real0m39.924s
user0m27.445s
sys 0m2.205s

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Evgeniy Ginzburg
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller пишет:
 I can add three special use cases from customers and friends:
 
 a) one Freerunner is used as the on-board computer of a student-built 
 racing car (Formula Student)
 
 b) two Freerunners have been used in the German Historic Museum in 
 Berlin for a SMS noteboard to attract and entertain visitors
 
 c) one Freerunner was shot into space (really!) - I hope I get 
 permission soon to post a link to photos
Yes please, FR in space! You made my day Dr. N.
Photos! Photos! Photos!

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Shashank Bharadwaj
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Warren
Bairdwjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

Well I'm just falling in love with my freerunner. Me and some of my
friends made a small robot and controlled that wireless-ly using the
Freerunner. I used accelerometer for the navigation, so you turn the
FR like a driving wheel and the robot obeys you.

And all I had to do in the FR was a python program to read the
accelerometers and send appropriate data to a microcontroller over the
USB (which was connected to a wireless transmitter).

It was awesome fun! I'll see if I can post a video of it some where.

-- 
Regards
Shashank
As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of
darkness surrounding it - Albert Einstein

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 08:31 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
  With my Freerunner, I am able to control a telescope
  5000 miles away, and analyse the data, while I sit in a
  pizza parlor.   It's the high resolution display and the
  X11 server that lets me do this.
 Ken, this is ... this is only a word comes to my mind, beautiful.
 
 there will be awesome to haves some pictures, screenshots, and if
 posible a video of this,

Second that! We really need a gallery of cool applications! Since a
picture is worth a thousand words, if we'd like to show the world there
really is something to all this we don't need lists and lists of
applications, we need a gallery.

David

(currently astroparticle physics PhD student, looking for some time to
implement a nice cool app for monitoring our experiment on my N800 and
FR)


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Tom Yates
i know this isn't really impressive, but i use mine as a phone.  every 
day.  it's been my main phone since i got it last august, and while it's 
not been trouble-free, fully-updated OM2009t5 is perfectly usable for me.

however, my great moments have all come from having this device that can 
do lots of *other* things.  gprs+tango to make some emergency navigation 
decisions out in the cambridgeshire fens; various web browsers when i was 
out and about and desperately needed to check some random fact; using the 
thing as an ssh client, to access a remote server to run whois when i 
needed to check domain name availability there and then; impressing my 
11-year-old niece, who has high standards for device coolness, by running 
mokomaze - even though the phone doesn't come in pink or mirror-finish.

i wouldn't have carried devices around to do any of these things, but with 
the moko, i get them all thrown in for free.  and the sense of community 
at mokomeets has been pretty good fun, as well.


-- 

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick Beck
Hi,

which software you are using for pdf viewing?

with kind regards

Patrick 

Am Donnerstag, den 16.07.2009, 15:13 -0400 schrieb Warren Baird:
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've
 been able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro
 or bus, when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Timo Jyrinki
Gonna first answer this one small ogg bit.

2009/7/17 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com:
 That said, if anyone knows a way to make it not cut and skip when playing
 OGG with mplayer niced at -19, I'd love to hear it. It's not too bad right
 now, but there's usually at least one cut per minute. :(

My mplayer (on Debian) didn't skip when left alone when I was on a
trip, but it usually started to skip if I had frameworkd + wicd +
zhone + tangogps all running in the background. I mostly just needed
frameworkd and tangogps, though. The key to success is probably
compiling some program (eg. mplayer) with the integer-only tremor ogg
decoding support. I'm going to have a look at that soon now that I
noticed this severe enough multi-tasking problem with ogg playing.
Without it the CPU load is 60-70% which is pretty high for a 400MHz
ARM CPU.

But right. I think I mostly covered my anti-whining already in the
whining thread, even though this thread would have been a much better
place for it. In addition to the Cool Stuff, I'm also one of the
people who also use it as the only daily phone, and mostly since
August 2008. Of course buzz and echo fixes made GSM life much easier
settings wise.

I love RSA authentication to home 24h NAS box (running ARM port of
Debian as well, like the FreeRunner). Having instant messengers and
IRC there gives a possibility to check those from FreeRunner at will.

And I mentioned already in that other post that copying photos from
camera to Neo via USB host mode is a neat feature and then Neo can be
also used to back them further up to eg. the home server from anywhere
around the world (...with WLAN access points).

Om2009 as a dual-boot backup OS is useful sometimes as well, though
less so now that the occasional xf86-video-glamo WSOD problem on
shutdown got fixed (I then booted to Om2009 to run fsck on the SD
card...).

-Timo

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Juergen Schinker

hi

i had min. 2 happy moments after the FR fell 2 times

off my bike at high speed and still works (except phone functionality).

TangoGPS is definitly a killer-Application

Juergen

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Helge Hafting
Warren Baird wrote:

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk 
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it 
 onto the wiki.
 

It is a nice gps device, with its high-resolution screen.
Good for OSM mapping, good for having a map display in the
car, powered from a generic USB car charger. Also a nice
gps to have on the bicycle.

When I want a larger map display, I use a laptop, and lets
the pc use the freerunner's gps via usb networking and the
gpsd protocol.

And it is a nice phone too, of course.



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Warren Baird
There's some pretty cool stuff going on out there.

To try and get some of this off the mailing list and into the wiki, I've
created a 'Successful Use Cases' wiki page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Successful_Use_Cases

The idea is to gather together all the cool things people are doing with the
FR, and to give hints to others about how best to do things like read a pdf,
send an IM, or how to disable an alien mothership.

I hope anyone who is doing interesting things with their FR can add a quick
note there describing what they are doing.

Warren


On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Warren Baird
wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.cawrote:

 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 Here are a few of my own:

   - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
 especially on business trips
   - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I
 didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
 able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
 when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.
   - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite
 complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely
 impressed people.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

 Warren

 --
 Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist
 http://www.synergisticimages.ca




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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 7/16/09, Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
 then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
 about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
 onto the wiki.

 Here are a few of my own:

   - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
 especially on business trips
   - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I
 didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage
   - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
 able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
 when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.
   - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite
 complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely
 impressed people.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

 Warren

I'm programming on Freerunner. Waiting for testing, in train, in
school, even in bed. Everywhere I don't have access to my PC. The most
of SHR Settings, SHR Installer and opimd code was created on FR, using
just nano, vala-terminal, Illume keyboard and my fingernails ;)

Once I was using FR as calculator on math's exam. During test I wrote
small python app to count everything I needed ;)

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jorge Chamorro
Warren Baird wrote:
 There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the 
 Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of 
 people then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well 
 for them.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?
With my family on vacation trips we camp in a small van
I wanted to make a bed in the van and set it for that use
but did not know whether the structure withstand our weight
with the specifications of the materials on hand I try to find out that
I needed to apply Newton's second law

Force =  mass X acceleration

but I did not know what was the acceleration in normal use
and should do a stress test to

So I put my phone under the mattress and call my wife

We gather information from accelerometers

I'm sorry but I can not share that data


sorry for my English , the fault lies with google


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Mickael Labrousse
When I was in school I've heard of Neo1973 and I used to dream of it
already :d

Next my first love with the FR : when I was hired to work on it and make
specific product (OpenGuide for french people http://www.openguide.fr )

I also have a lot of good times, examples are :
- running debian
- playing movies on a very good screen
- debugging with the debug board
- using my FR as a linux computer with an usb keyboard, WiFi and a
terminal :)
- showing the FR for commercial purpose
 
And also be part of a very nice community :)


Mickael
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread pike
Hi

just an hour ago, I had to leave the building
while a webserver that I was working on had a
load of 20% and rising. While walking to the
train, I enabled GPRS, started a terminal and
logged back in.

  .. and the load went down.

Well, it wasn't the FR bringing the load
down. But I could sit in the train in peace.

$2c,
*-pike

PS. GPRS died, never to return, once I forgot
to tap the screen for 5 seconds. Had to reboot.
Still dont know how to turn sleep off in om2009.
But for once, it was all forgiven.



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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
But I could sit in the train in peace.

And while on that train, did you see the light at the end of the tunnel?

md


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 7/17/09, tb bumbl...@gmail.com wrote:
 what a liberal school which allows a phone during an exam
 using phones is prohibited even during normal classes here

That's really small class, we can use phones as calculators on some
lessions. And writing python script wasn't cheating, as I needed to
know theory perfectly to write it :)

About liberal schools: that's good example. We are cheating using
phones (photos of book pages or something like that), but only when
hiding phone from teacher eye on lessions, where using phones is not
allowed. When everyone can use phone legally (as calculator for
instance) and everything is easier (due to internet access, smses
etc.), then noone is cheating :D I think every good teacher should
know, that restrictions isn't way to go. But most of them are just
lazy, as making restrictions is easier than having good contact with
students.

But i think that's a little off-topic ;)

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-17 Thread levy.santanna
I use my freerunner to control my media center in my home and another in my
car, all running Linux.
I lost the number of times that wifi or even gprs saved me with a ssh
conection to my servers.

regards,
Levy
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Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Warren Baird
There seems to be a repeated theme of people posting how crappy the
Freerunner is and how nothing works for them.  Usually a number of people
then jump on the thread and talk about how the FR works well for them.

I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to talk
about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we can push it
onto the wiki.

Here are a few of my own:

  - the GPS with tangogps has been really useful to me a number of times,
especially on business trips
  - Pidgin over GPRS has come in quite handy several times, either when I
didn't have my laptop with me, or didn't have wifi coverage
  - It's very useful as a PDF reader - with the high-res screen I've been
able to read documents while walking or while standing on a metro or bus,
when getting out a laptop wouldn't have worked well.
  - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a quite
complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which definitely
impressed people.

What are your successes with the Freerunner?

Warren

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http://www.synergisticimages.ca
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Damian Spriggs
A few weeks ago there was an alien armada threatening to annihilate  
all life on the planet. So I grabbed my trusty Freerunner, and Will  
Smith flew me up to their mothership in orbit where I hacked out a  
little python script to disable their defense shields. I uploaded the  
script to their mainframe, and we managed to fly clear of the ship  
just before it exploded, and thus we saved all of humanity with a  
Freerunner.

Then again, I may have just fell asleep watching a movie...

On Jul 16, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Warren Baird wrote:

 I like to try turning that around and start a thread for people to  
 talk about their successes.   Maybe if we get enough good ones we  
 can push it onto the wiki.


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Fisher
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Damian Spriggs damianspri...@mac.comwrote:

 A few weeks ago there was an alien armada threatening to annihilate
 all life on the planet. So I grabbed my trusty Freerunner, and Will
 Smith flew me up to their mothership in orbit where I hacked out a
 little python script to disable their defense shields. I uploaded the
 script to their mainframe, and we managed to fly clear of the ship
 just before it exploded, and thus we saved all of humanity with a
 Freerunner.

 Then again, I may have just fell asleep watching a movie...


No, you weren't dreaming. I saw the plane pick you up and followed your
flight with my Freerunner tracking program. I jumped for cover
just in time when the mothership exploded. Great job Damian, though
next time could you swing by and pick me up? Two Freerunners can
disable a mothership twice as fast.

-- 
Michael Fisher
desno...@gmail.com
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
and we managed to fly clear of the ship just before it exploded, and
thus we saved all of humanity with a Freerunner.

I had wondered what happened to that ship!

md


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Marc Verwerft
I'm definitively going to like this thread :-)

I was one of the first to buy a Neo and have had some nice times with
it. I especially used it for tracking for OpenStreetMap and still
remember using the phone from commandline. Unfortunately, due to work
circumstances, I had less and less time to play with it. This has
changed now and I hope I can get get it to work again.

I think this thread is a _must_ have. I was getting depressed by all
the mails describing what didn't work while the Neo and the freerunner
are such wonderful products. The work that most guys have put in is
impressive and I'm sure that 10 years from now will look at it and
say: yep, we definitively changed the playing field!

Regards,

Marc

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hallmad...@li.org wrote:
and we managed to fly clear of the ship just before it exploded, and
thus we saved all of humanity with a Freerunner.

 I had wondered what happened to that ship!

 md


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Well, my biggest success so far with the FR is bluetooth. I now use my FR as
a portable media player, and can use GSM with bluetooth.

That said, if anyone knows a way to make it not cut and skip when playing
OGG with mplayer niced at -19, I'd love to hear it. It's not too bad right
now, but there's usually at least one cut per minute. :(


A few weeks ago there was an alien armada threatening to annihilate
 all life on the planet. So I grabbed my trusty Freerunner, and Will
 Smith flew me up to their mothership in orbit where I hacked out a
 little python script to disable their defense shields. I uploaded the
 script to their mainframe, and we managed to fly clear of the ship
 just before it exploded, and thus we saved all of humanity with a
 Freerunner.


So YOU'RE the moron who destroyed my ship?!?! How am I supposed to fire huge
lasers from space at Apple now?!
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Vikas Saurabh
I am totally awed with this mini-comp with not-so-good-yet-workable GSM
capabilities.

But the best hack/trick I could try on my FR was when I was totally out of
any comp anywhere (linux/win) although there was WiFi available and I wanted
to flash SHR-U on the device.
Well it was so simple...I just browsed to shr-u images link and downloaded
the tar.gz. Created a new partition on my SD card. Untarred the image on
that parition. Put noboot-GTA02 in the original partition. Reboot and voila
I was working on SHR-U.
It was an amazing feeling:
* Flash your phone with a new OS
* No USB cable
* No trick to start flashing
* Using one distro to install another

woah!..show me any phone that can do that...in fact i don't even know of any
mainstream linux distributions for desktop which would support that :)

--Vikas
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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 7/17/09, Vikas Saurabh vikas.saur...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am totally awed with this mini-comp with not-so-good-yet-workable GSM
 capabilities.

 But the best hack/trick I could try on my FR was when I was totally out of
 any comp anywhere (linux/win) although there was WiFi available and I wanted
 to flash SHR-U on the device.
 Well it was so simple...I just browsed to shr-u images link and downloaded
 the tar.gz. Created a new partition on my SD card. Untarred the image on
 that parition. Put noboot-GTA02 in the original partition. Reboot and voila
 I was working on SHR-U.
 It was an amazing feeling:
 * Flash your phone with a new OS
 * No USB cable
 * No trick to start flashing
 * Using one distro to install another

 woah!..show me any phone that can do that...in fact i don't even know of any
 mainstream linux distributions for desktop which would support that :)

Look at Debian and debootstrap ;) (that's also the way of installing
Debian on FreeRunner)

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Sebastian
Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
 Look at Debian and debootstrap ;) (that's also the way of installing
 Debian on FreeRunner)

or at gentoo ;)

Nicola

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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Ken Young
Warren Baird wrote:

 - I was able to show off the client software from my 'day job' - a
 quite complex j2se application - running on a cell phone, which
 definitely impressed people.

 What are your successes with the Freerunner?

With my Freerunner, I am able to control a telescope
5000 miles away, and analyse the data, while I sit in a
pizza parlor.   It's the high resolution display and the
X11 server that lets me do this.   There's no way I
could do it with my Android G1 phone.

Ken Young


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Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments

2009-07-16 Thread Milan Votava


 --- Original Message ---
 From: Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org
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 Sent: 16.7.09, 22:08:31
 Subject: Re: Anti-Whining: Happy Moko Moments
 
 and we managed to fly clear of the ship just before it exploded, and
 thus we saved all of humanity with a Freerunner.
 
 I had wondered what happened to that ship!
 
 md
 
 
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