Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
I second that! - Original Message From: Pius A. Uzamere II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:47:03 PM Subject: Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko IMHO, that's just the sort of sentiment that, if embraced by FIC, will guarantee that this phone is not successful. If a phone ships with a closed or otherwise flawed stack, a fix is just a firmware update away. Once you put a crappy form factor into the market, however, you're typically finished in the long term. Remember, your competitors can iterate their software faster than you can iterate your form factor once units are put into production. I want this project to be successful . . . let's not get so idealistic that we lose focus of the realities of the market. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
Very true, BUT... and this is a big but FIC or some other smart manufacturer has to clone the iPhone's form factor details and performance points. I have lived with my iPhone now for a few weeks and I simply LOVE it. I bought TWO more for my wife and daughter. Yes, the software IS a big part of it, but the hardware design is NOT to be discounted here. I have stated here on list that future FIC designs need to be more like the iPhone. Apple has chosen it's (obviously wrong) direction and FIC and others have an opportunity to step in and give the world what it wants. In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. There is only about a six month window here that Apple has left open. Someone will clone this form factor and slap an OSS stack on it (QTopia?) and I'd like to see FIC/OpenMoko be the first out of the gate. Alan Original Message: - From: Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:12:05 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko BBC NEWS | Technology | Apple iPhone warning proves true http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. The neo's screen is already bigger- it has more pixels. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. Kind of like PC hardware vs mac hardware. PC hardware is open and awesome- you can pick from 500 different motherboards, gfx cards, vendors, etc., unlike the apple-only mac, but pc hardware isn't as schnazzy looking as macs. IMO the neo isn't and should be trying to be schnazzy, I think you're wrong about matching up to the iphone's look. Although I do hope the neo comes in colors, that would be appropriate to the freedom thing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
On 29 Sep 2007, at 00:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very true, BUT... and this is a big but FIC or some other smart manufacturer has to clone the iPhone's form factor details and performance points. I have lived with my iPhone now for a few weeks and I simply LOVE it. I bought TWO more for my wife and daughter. Yes, the software IS a big part of it, but the hardware design is NOT to be discounted here. What design? it's square, no keyboard and one button on front. Plenty of phones around with such simplicity. The software and interface design are what counts, many phones have a simple design with minimal buttons but run a desktop style interface (eg. Windows Mobile). This doesn't work. You need to forget pretty much everything you know about desktop computers before you tackle a UI design for a handheld device. This is why Tablet PC didn't take off, why UMPC's are very niche. If an OS is designed for WIMP, you need the keyboard and mouse. The iPhone is very ordinary hardware (even the screen res is bettered by the Neo) wrapped up in a nice casing with some well thought out software. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
That's not what he meant and you know it. He meant more useable space on the screen. The easier the phone is to use the better. Although halting work on the GTA02 is completely ludicrous. Qtopia found a great way to utilize the space as does OM2007.2. Only thing they need to figure out is text input and they'll be golden. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:09 PM To: community Subject: Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. The neo's screen is already bigger- it has more pixels. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. Kind of like PC hardware vs mac hardware. PC hardware is open and awesome- you can pick from 500 different motherboards, gfx cards, vendors, etc., unlike the apple-only mac, but pc hardware isn't as schnazzy looking as macs. IMO the neo isn't and should be trying to be schnazzy, I think you're wrong about matching up to the iphone's look. Although I do hope the neo comes in colors, that would be appropriate to the freedom thing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: That's not what he meant and you know it. He meant more useable space on the screen. More pixels == more usable space on the screen. (?) A screen with less pixels has less usable space on the screen. Even if it's diagonal size is bigger. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
IMHO, that's just the sort of sentiment that, if embraced by FIC, will guarantee that this phone is not successful. If a phone ships with a closed or otherwise flawed stack, a fix is just a firmware update away. Once you put a crappy form factor into the market, however, you're typically finished in the long term. Remember, your competitors can iterate their software faster than you can iterate your form factor once units are put into production. I want this project to be successful . . . let's not get so idealistic that we lose focus of the realities of the market. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
pe, 2007-09-28 kello 19:52 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti: In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. There is only about a six month window here that Apple has left open. Someone will clone this form factor and slap an OSS stack on it (QTopia?) and I'd like to see FIC/OpenMoko be the first out of the gate. One has to wonder what are you on to think this would even be possible in your time frame (let alone actually desirable as a huge extra diversion). This is not constructive criticism and said arrows will be well deserved. (FWIW, personally, I like the Neo design ok, though the touchscreen could be less deep; not killer, but need to design stuff not to require too much edge or especially corner touching, for finger use.) -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
On 29 Sep 2007, at 01:47, Pius A. Uzamere II wrote: Once you put a crappy form factor into the market, however, you're typically finished in the long term. Remember, your competitors can iterate their software faster than you can iterate your form factor once units are put into production. The iPhone is a big phone, bigger isn't always better. Yes it's good to be big when using fingers, but we have to do the best we can. OpenMoko isn't just the Neo either, there are bigger screened phones around. The big competitive advantage is innovation and freedom, we can add features that would be deemed too costly to write. No hardware needs to become obselete just to keep hardware revenues coming. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
