Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Il 17/12/2008 11:19, Tilman Baumann ha scritto: > Name a application that you would have expected to be made by the the > community first but not has been delivered yet? > (Something quirky but obvious or just in dire need) > > Where do you think has the community let you down? Name a aerea where > you would have expected more community thrust but has failed. > > Where do you think could any person do the most for the project right > now? Think of if that person would be ideal and have all the skills needed. > And then, which skills are in most need right now and in the future? +1 : The first interessant questions I read in this tread ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Name a application that you would have expected to be made by the the community first but not has been delivered yet? (Something quirky but obvious or just in dire need) Where do you think has the community let you down? Name a aerea where you would have expected more community thrust but has failed. Where do you think could any person do the most for the project right now? Think of if that person would be ideal and have all the skills needed. And then, which skills are in most need right now and in the future? Minh Ha Duong wrote: > Dear friends, > > Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community > Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the > question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general > topic is "Openmoko, the community, past-present-future", but yours truly will > select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / > relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may > send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. > > Minh > > PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be > interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:59:17 +0100 "Yorick Moko" babbled: > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > i listened... i was the one who put it there to start with as i knew it was > > needed/wanted. i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for > > nothing :) > > > > sorry, forget to add an exception for you. > you listened (also on irc) and (i'm sure) defended our interests when > you were employed by openmoko i hope i did. i like to be frank and open about anything. even when i disagree with you guys - i make sure i fully argue my case and why. maybe the community will then go "h now that makes sense!" or... maybe you convince me i'm wrong :) it always should work out for the best. most of the time things are just a matter of "not enough hours in the day to do everything". i come from the community - have been doing oss dev for a long time - and intend to continue. i do hope openmoko succeeds. it would be a shame that a great concept like an open phone you really can hack any way you like (be you a qte person, or you like your android, or you prefer your x world with windowmanagers you choose - or write yourself) and know that the producer is NOT putting barriers between you and getting the stuff you want - not artificial ones like closing documentation, putting signed bootloaders that require signed kernel/os images etc. etc., simply technical ones that are a pure bi-product of the hardware as-is. this should not die. it holds promise for the community and many others besides. so here's thumbs up to om so in the future the promise of an open phone doesn't die with the freerunner. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Marc Bantle wrote: > Question 1 > Are you willing to talk about marketing figures? > How many devices have been sold. Freerunner? > Neo 1973? Other (OEM) Hardware provided > by Openmoko? That's a good question I hadn't thought of, I'd love to hear some details on that :) -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Hi, Minh Ha Duong schrieb: > Dear friends, > > You may > send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. > > here my questions: Question 1 Are you willing to talk about marketing figures? How many devices have been sold. Freerunner? Neo 1973? Other (OEM) Hardware provided by Openmoko? Question 2 Who are the people behind the mentioned design team? What future plans does the design team work on that may be of interest to the community? Question 3 What will be the preferred strategy to release information to the community in the future: Make official announcements or have (frustrated) employees leak it to the community? Question 4 Which activities and liaisons with partners other than the community is/was Openmoko involved currently and in the past year? Things that come to my mind are italian goverment, Dash, ...? What's the status? Thanks for asking, Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Ok, since I asked, I'll answer too. Tim Dobson wrote: > What phone is in your pocket right now? none. My Freerunner is on a lanyard round my neck though. > What distro is it running? Why? FDOM (latest 'stable' image) Because I don't like installing applications if I can help it. I find installing applications (and hacking the installs) a quick way to nuke your install. > What do you use your phone for the most? Sending text messages > What distros have you tried? (not very recently) 2007.2, 2008.8 (possibly 2008.9 as well), Qtopia (briefly) > What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? A nokia 3310 as an alarm clock and phone book. (I realise FDOM does both of these, but I easily oversleep, so I set reminders on the phone every 2 minutes after the initial alarm and the qtopia-x11 doesn't seem to let me move contacts from isntall to install easily :-/ ) > Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their > achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? The people who hack away on uncool programs, do things they may not enjoy but provide the necessary infrastructure for everyone else to do the things they want. > What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? Obviously OpenMooCow does the least useful thing, but it still brings a smile to your face, probably The GIMP running in debian on the freerunner was what I thought was the most pointless thing, however, I could be very wrong there and I for one would be interested in seeing the FR work as a graphics tablet.. > What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? A vibrator is the funniest hack I have seen... The starmap, orrey, is one of the most innovative ideas the the potential Doom and DukeNukem3d have shown (even with less than ideal situations with graphics drivers) for 1 first person acceerometer control FPS is amazing. I could go on... In the future I want to use it as my Personal Music Player, but I trod on one of the ear phones and it broke and haven't got round to getting some more yet :( > Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? Q: What's the difference between a Freerunner and a brick? A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls. Though, to be honest, this hasn't been my experience of it really, I use it as my phone every day! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:54 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler wrote: > i listened... i was the one who put it there to start with as i knew it was > needed/wanted. i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for > nothing :) > sorry, forget to add an exception for you. you listened (also on irc) and (i'm sure) defended our interests when you were employed by openmoko keep up the good work ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> > *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you > prefer? Which app is your favorite? > > *how many FR's haven been sold? (if possible some statistics with > regards to continents/countries) > > * _guess_ the ETA of GTA03 > which distro allows me to actually place a call? why don't you develop a laptop with the same ideology as with the freerunner (i would preorder)? will GTA03 have 3G? can you make a short video where you place a call from a freerunner and call Harald(Welte) the Rasterman and Mickey? (and they are answering with a FR!) Flash loose Juergen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Minh Can I send this out through our announce list and ask people to email questions to you directly? This would probably mean a lot more mail. But I think it would also increase the diversity of questions by a lot. Is this ok with you? -Sean Minh Ha Duong wrote: > Dear friends, > > Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community > Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the > question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general > topic is "Openmoko, the community, past-present-future", but yours truly will > select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / > relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may > send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. > > Minh > > PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be > interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Kosa wrote: > I know you don't need/have to explan that, and I'm not really sure if > I'd like to know > what happened, but two of the best hackers are gone, and they could have > help a lot > more as full time OM developers. I'm curious about this too... However I've read their explanations and I figure that they say everything there. BTW I'm totally agreeing that great hackers like Harald and Carsten (two of the best ones working respectively in low-level and GUI things) should have kept in the conditions to rest. Maybe Sean could say us something about the management that doesn't seem to be loved by our hackers... PS: Ah, why design team is so important to decide about keeping an un-wanted keyboard like the Qtopia predictive in Om2008?!? -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for nothing :) I (we) know... I think that your hiring can't be considered a "mistake" at all. The best GUI every written for embedded devices (illume) is now available thanks to your efforts; who knows if it would have been developed if you wouldn't have been called at Openmoko. So, working in GUI at the beginning has not been wrong imho. Maybe they would have had to work more on core-GUI (like illume is) than on other projects like Locations or Assasin... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:30:09 +0100 Didier Raboud babbled: > Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > > "Yorick Moko" writes: > >> * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use > >> the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it > >> was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some > >> things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical > >> installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was > >> craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he > >> didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? > > > > I realize you are asking Sean but I can't resist giving my own > > opinion: I've been thinking along the same lines. However, the > > workaround to GSM bug #1024 was really not easy to discover (it relied > > on undocumented AT command that afaik was not even in the NDA'd source > > code openmoko people have access to). Also, the wlan issues required > > deep kernel knowledge. Asking people who do pretty UIs to stop before > > these are resolved probably does not do much good since they could not > > help with the lower level stuff anyway? > > Wrong people? Change people! > > I mean: for me, Openmoko made a mistake by hiring GUI people instead of > kernel ones at the beginning. > > My questions would then be: > > * Do you (as Openmoko's CEO) consider that mistakes have been made in the > hiring process (in terms of goals and so in terms of capabilities, not in > terms of persons) ? > * If so, what have you done or what will you do to correct these > mistakes? > * If not, where are the mistakes (if there are after all)? it has nothing to do with hiring gui people. believe it or not.. the gui people do and can help with the lower level. for example - if gui people weren't involved the /sys/class/power_supply interface for showing battery and charging info wouldn't work as no one would have used/tested it - why? the older gui only used the deprecated apm api from the kernel whihc provides a much more limited view of information. gui people build infra that is gui-friendly/ready that talks to the lower levels and manipulates them. without someone manipulating them in an expected use pattern a lot of stuff would remain broken. nothing to do with the gui people. more to do with how they were directed - i.e. told what to do. i estimate about 50-70% of the time was spent with fiddly "make it a perfect rendition of our flash mockup" than making stuff actually solid and work as a foundation (even if a little clunkily). and before you say it - "eye candy" comes for free when using EFL. so spending time on it is a bogus argument as the libraries already do this and were already written for it - they are just being used. -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:19:33 +0100 "Yorick Moko" babbled: > * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use > the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it > was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some > things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical > installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was > craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he > didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? i listened... i was the one who put it there to start with as i knew it was needed/wanted. i haven't been doing ui's for x/linux for over a decade for nothing :) > *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you > prefer? Which app is your favorite? > > *how many FR's haven been sold? (if possible some statistics with > regards to continents/countries) > > * _guess_ the ETA of GTA03 > > * show us a funny pic of you in a openmoko t-shirt and geek-cap > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Minh Ha Duong > wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community > > Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the > > question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general > > topic is "Openmoko, the community, past-present-future", but yours truly > > will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / > > popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. > > You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. > > > > Minh > > > > PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also > > be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Tim Dobson wrote: > Yorick Moko wrote: >> *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you >> prefer? Which app is your favorite? > > What phone is in your pocket right now? Siemens M55; halfbroken for more than a year, but I decided that the FR would be my next daily phone... I'm rather stubborn :) > What distro is it running? Why? SHR; development is going forward rapidly, +/- stable, good support :) > What do you use your phone for the most? flashing > What distros have you tried? 2007.2, qtopia, 2008.8, 2008.9, SHR, FSO > What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? my buggy siemens gsm > Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their > achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? Dave, because I like the pictures he uploads to scap! > What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? the dialer :p > What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? calling > Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? [16:03] does 2008.8 support the neo yet? y ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Monday 15 December 2008 21:13:56 Tim Dobson wrote: > What phone is in your pocket right now? My good old Sony Ericsson M600i. > What distro is it running? Why? M600i: Symbian UIQ3. Is it possible to install linux on it? Neo: currently SHR preview because I _really_ like the look and feel... Hopefully the final version will perform a little bit better... > What do you use your phone for the most? M600i: Telephony. Neo: Flashing the latest and hottest stuff on it, pimping till the software is completely smashed... Flashing, pimping, braking. > What distros have you tried? Om2007.2, Om2008.8, FSO, Android, SHR, Qtopia (and QTE), FDOM, Debian. Haven't tried ubuntu or gentoo yet on my Neo. > What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? Nokia N810 > Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their > achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? The guy who wrote openmoocow! No... honestly, everyone contributing to this great project deserves praise! > What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? What question... OpenMooCow of course... But even if its kinda useless, it's one of the mosed used openmoko apps here (after dfu-util :) ). Did you know that also Windows Mobile has a MooCow, although it is not open :P > What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? Running KDE4. Hopefully some day plasma will perform good enough on such small devices that we have a KDE phone edition or something like that... > Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? Q: What is the difference between a professional photographer and OM user? A: The OM user has to flash more often :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Monday 15 December 2008 21:13:56 schrieb Tim Dobson: > Yorick Moko wrote: > > *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you > > prefer? Which app is your favorite? > > What phone is in your pocket right now? None. My Nokia 3510i is lying round here somewhere and doing quite nothing except displaying a clock. > What distro is it running? Why? Don't ask me such things... I don't think it's one of the Nokias that run Symbian already... Some proprietary piece of code probably. But it can dial reliably! And I can even understand the other party. Killer-feature. (No, I'm not cynic here, I just state reality. :) ) > What do you use your phone for the most? Send an SMS or two every two months. > What distros have you tried? Oh. I didn't know I can change the distro this bone is running... But I've tried several on my Neo: QTE, Qtopia, ASU, testing, FDOM (in some earlier stage, didn't get back so far). ATM it is running the base image with the freesmartphone.org GSM stack and zhone (kinda annoying sometimes, gotta get my hands dirty on paroli. If I could only get that to run in turn...) > What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? My iPod Photo. Apple may be evil, but they produce damn good hard- and software. Still it's running Rockbox from time to time. > Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their > achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? Me myself! I created this awesome wiki page with links to EFL Documentation! :D > What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? OpenMooCow! AFAIK there's some joke about it (except mooing), but probably I'm not old enough to be able know that... But still: This app may do nothing but mooing - THIS is something we really need. People who simply have fun doing strange geeky things. :) > What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? There was an idea half a year or so around using it as an earthquake warner, that sounded quite interesting. > Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? Atm it's just walking (rather hobbling)... :P People out there: Do not forget having FUN with this device! It may not work perfectly (does it at all?) yet, but this is something unique we must keep up! -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Yorick Moko wrote: > *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you > prefer? Which app is your favorite? What phone is in your pocket right now? What distro is it running? Why? What do you use your phone for the most? What distros have you tried? What other portable consumer electronics do you use on a regular basis? Who in the community, after yourself, deserves praise for their achievements which might otherwise go unnoticed? What is the most pointless application on the Freerunner? What is the most interesting thing you have seen the Freerunner used for? Which is your favourite Freerunner joke? :D Tim P.s. anyone else feel free to fork thread and give their own point of view on these questions, it is interesting anyone giving their opinions! -- www.tdobson.net If each of us have one object, and we exchange them, then each of us still has one object. If each of us have one idea, and we exchange them, then each of us now has two ideas. - George Bernard Shaw ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi there, I first know from openmoko reading Harald's Welte blog [1] two years ago, and after some reading I thought Openmoko was a great project. Time past and Harald quitted. He explain a llittle it about it in his blog but I was too in love with the idea of a free and open phone/pda and I kept reading about it. Some time later Openmoko hired the Rasterman and a little bit later he quitted too. Now it's been a while since Michel Siloh doesn't write. I know you don't need/have to explan that, and I'm not really sure if I'd like to know what happened, but two of the best hackers are gone, and they could have help a lot more as full time OM developers. Hum... not really a question. Sorry. Thank you Sean an everyone on the OM tema for your time and effort. Let's keep impacting the material world. Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/linux/openmoko/index.html Minh Ha Duong escribió: > Dear friends, > > Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community > Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the > question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general > topic is "Openmoko, the community, past-present-future", but yours truly will > select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / > relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may > send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. > > Minh > > PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be > interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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"Yorick Moko" writes: > nearly resolved in SHR for example, but the volume is still too low Have you set 'Speaker Playback Volume' to 127? > extended period in phone. The Framework is making good progress, but i > still miss calls or don't receive sms'es. Qtopia is "ok" (the version Interesting, I have not missed calls for a while. Did you have workaround for #1024? > but in the end I just want a working, reliable phone and I hope I > won't have to wait another half year Don't wait, hack! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > "Yorick Moko" writes: >> * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use >> the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it >> was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some >> things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical >> installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was >> craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he >> didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? > > I realize you are asking Sean but I can't resist giving my own > opinion: I've been thinking along the same lines. However, the > workaround to GSM bug #1024 was really not easy to discover (it relied > on undocumented AT command that afaik was not even in the NDA'd source > code openmoko people have access to). Also, the wlan issues required > deep kernel knowledge. Asking people who do pretty UIs to stop before > these are resolved probably does not do much good since they could not > help with the lower level stuff anyway? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > i understand what you say and i certainly do not totally disagree; and I really don't get TI for not documenting ALL their AT commands. but the fast is I personally think that before calling something mass market ready; you have to see if you can place and receive calls with it reliably and with acceptable quality. I understand why the GPS thing wasn't seen in the factory (although they should have done some real-world testing also) and they were very open and honest about it. But the buzz and echo should have been noticed, worked on and resolved after this much time. Yes, echo is nearly resolved in SHR for example, but the volume is still too low and yes there is a hw fix for the buzz (which is not trivial) and yes, there is also a hw fix for some of the audio (almost no bass) problems; and I'm gratefull for these things. But it really took a while and these where things that should not have existed for such an extended period in phone. The Framework is making good progress, but i still miss calls or don't receive sms'es. Qtopia is "ok" (the version Hypnotize made, because the trolltech one sucked big time) but I feel that with qtopia I only use 200% of the potential of my phone. And with the NDA thing of the glamo greame also did very good work to let the community participate. but in the end I just want a working, reliable phone and I hope I won't have to wait another half year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > "Yorick Moko" writes: >> * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use >> the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it >> was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some >> things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical >> installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was >> craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he >> didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? > > I realize you are asking Sean but I can't resist giving my own > opinion: I've been thinking along the same lines. However, the > workaround to GSM bug #1024 was really not easy to discover (it relied > on undocumented AT command that afaik was not even in the NDA'd source > code openmoko people have access to). Also, the wlan issues required > deep kernel knowledge. Asking people who do pretty UIs to stop before > these are resolved probably does not do much good since they could not > help with the lower level stuff anyway? Wrong people? Change people! I mean: for me, Openmoko made a mistake by hiring GUI people instead of kernel ones at the beginning. My questions would then be: * Do you (as Openmoko's CEO) consider that mistakes have been made in the hiring process (in terms of goals and so in terms of capabilities, not in terms of persons) ? * If so, what have you done or what will you do to correct these mistakes? * If not, where are the mistakes (if there are after all)? Regards, OdyX -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
"Yorick Moko" writes: > * It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use > the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it > was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some > things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical > installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was > craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he > didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? I realize you are asking Sean but I can't resist giving my own opinion: I've been thinking along the same lines. However, the workaround to GSM bug #1024 was really not easy to discover (it relied on undocumented AT command that afaik was not even in the NDA'd source code openmoko people have access to). Also, the wlan issues required deep kernel knowledge. Asking people who do pretty UIs to stop before these are resolved probably does not do much good since they could not help with the lower level stuff anyway? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
* It's still more reliable and easy to use a 20EUR cellphone than use the FR as a daily phone, more than six months after Openmoko said it was mass market ready. I love the FR, but should we admit that some things really went wrong? (for example working on a graphical installer app before telephony worked fine, or when everyone was craving for the qwerty button (I never heard even one user who said he didn't want it) and nobody listened? Will things change? *do you use the FR? As your daily phone? Why not? Which distro do you prefer? Which app is your favorite? *how many FR's haven been sold? (if possible some statistics with regards to continents/countries) * _guess_ the ETA of GTA03 * show us a funny pic of you in a openmoko t-shirt and geek-cap On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Minh Ha Duong wrote: > Dear friends, > > Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community > Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the > question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general > topic is "Openmoko, the community, past-present-future", but yours truly will > select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / > relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may > send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. > > Minh > > PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be > interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is "Openmoko, the community, past-present-future", but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
