Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-11-05 Thread ßingen
On Thursday 16 October 2008 11:15:59 W.Kenworthy wrote: A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's I absolutely agree. I think this is the most important now. Thanks, ßingen. -- ßingen.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-23 Thread Dale Maggee
One thing I forgot to mention about 2007.2: Accelerometers don't work, which is kinda annoying. In terms of 2007.2 being maintained, I wouldn't hold your breath. SHR could be interesting, though... -Dale Giovanni wrote: I'm also still using 2007.2, which is reasonably stable. I have the

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-22 Thread Dale Maggee
I'm still using 2007.2, because in my experience it does have the most solid phone/sms functionality. It's far from perfect, though: - Suspend / resume is a dog, and since it's not being worked on any more I'm doubtful that this will ever be fixed. I have suspend and resume turned off, and use

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-22 Thread Levy Abinajm Melero Sant'Anna
Hi, I think that you need to maintain the gta02, because a lot of people did buy this waiting for a usable FOS Phone. The second point is, you need to move ASAP to a definitive stack, not change any time, or we will never have a stable one! Thank you, Levy 'Lewis' S. Google Talk! [EMAIL

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-22 Thread Giovanni
I'm also still using 2007.2, which is reasonably stable. I have the same usage/behavior as Dale Maggee wrote. I also hope that 2007.2 can be improved and maintained until there is a really stable distro. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'm still using

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-21 Thread Yogiz
I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you wanted a stable phone experience. Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience? No.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread John Lee
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:36:38AM -0400, Feydreva wrote: I am not a developer, but i test the images and try to use the openmoko... My main issue with Openmoko are : 1) Battery life : only 4hrs, and when you charge it, it discharge itself after a while. I cannot use it as a daily phone

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Alastair Johnson
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: William Kenworthy wrote: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Well, I don't really know what Akonadi is using, but

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Warren Baird
I really welcome the 'back to basics' focus by OM. However, I'd echo what other people have said - for me, the 'basics', are ensuring that the phone works as a phone. My FR is sitting in my backpack, with my SIM in another phone - I missed several calls and wasn't able to make calls on several

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will continue to laugh at me for 'wasting' my money on such a 'phone'. *please* give

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Yogiz
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:58:27 +0200 Johny Tenfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 19:54, Warren Baird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until I'm convinced those items are addressed, my $400 FR is going to remain turned off in my backpack, and my friends who bought iPhones will

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Warren Baird
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Yogiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or if it's phone you want, try out the new QTextended. You'll like it. I was using QTextended when I encountered the situations I described - it still doesn't seem to provide solid phone capabilities - the phone got in a mode

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread t m
The problem with some of the comments on images, are people not using the phone to the extend as others do. I need my phone, also for business reasons. I receive and send sms messages and also phone during driving a car and in crowded surroundings. There are also people praising an image after a 2

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread Warren Baird
I must admit I never tried 2007.2 - but the things I read about it suggested that it also wasn't very stable - people recommended using Qtopia if you wanted a stable phone experience. Does 2007.2 really provide a rock-solid phone/sms experience? Warren On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Johny

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-20 Thread shawn sullivan
Paul wrote: I agree. Having a solid functional phone is the prime objective. Paul I second this. Right now, I am frustrated because I miss probably half my calls because the phone freezes coming out of suspend. . . . shawn ___ Openmoko community

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-19 Thread Dale Maggee
arne anka wrote: ==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM capabilities. there are a lot of posts lately

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-19 Thread Stroller
On 19 Oct 2008, at 13:46, Dale Maggee wrote: arne anka wrote: ==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM capabilities.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 02:21:17PM +0100, Stroller wrote: ==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. I would respectfully disagree - Openmoko asked about Improving user experience, and users are saying they want to experience PIM

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-19 Thread Feydreva
I am not a developer, but i test the images and try to use the openmoko... My main issue with Openmoko are : 1) Battery life : only 4hrs, and when you charge it, it discharge itself after a while. I cannot use it as a daily phone :/ 2) Basic telephony : the phone should wake up faster than it

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. I'd much rather that the various parts of the system can be built by using tools available in

Re: Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-18 Thread Fredrik Wendt
fre 2008-10-17 klockan 21:46 -0400 skrev Joel Newkirk: What would you want to be included in such an image, realistically?I have one currently with Ubuntu 8.04 jeos+XFCE, toolchain, qemu via mokomakefile, latest Enlightenemnt e17(as of three weeks ago, at least). This is a great setup -

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-18 Thread Brock
On 2008.10.17.11.40, C?dric Berger wrote: | ex : to put phone in pocket. At the very least I must be able to immediatly | lock screen, but it should then be able to automatically go to sleep even if | screen keeps being touched (in pocket...). Wait time before blanking screen | / going to suspend

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread yves mahe
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Leonti Bielski wrote: But what about PIM stack? There is a project from GSOC, but it's either dead or just being developed really slow. What if some time OM is spending on ASU get to develop PIM stack for FSO? Or even make a 0.9 release of FSO even earlier as

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Thursday 16 October 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Imho this should be a key point. It's quite obvious that a good PIM stack is vital for a portable device. Have you considered using akonadi? The KDE guys are quite approachable and IMHO they have done their homework with akonadi. You

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Dale Maggee
My 1/50th of a dollar... A lot of people have made some really good points and suggestions here. Here's what I'd like to see personally, in order of priority, with absolutely no consideration given to feasability or difficulty what I want ;) : 1. rock-solid phone / sms functionality, with

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Michele Renda
Also if I don't use KDE, I'd like to see akonadi as Pim managed... Our mission must to be to don't replicate the work done by other people, and KDE person did a good job Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Thursday 16 October 2008, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Imho this should be a key point.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Nicola Mfb
2008/10/16 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. Low priority, if the phone is

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Cédric Berger
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 20:20, Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Suspend is quite good at the moment, but when the display is 'blanked' and the system is not in suspend, maybe pressing the 'power' button could wake up the screen instead. Now it wakes up and immediately suspends.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Gothnet
absolute basics) need work. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Back-to-the-basics%3A-improving-user-experience-tp1340253p1344713.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread William Kenworthy
Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) BillK On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 09:53 +0200, Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Thursday 16 October 2008, Marco Trevisan

PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Mark Weinem
William Kenworthy: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! Regards, Mark Weinem

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 03:54:47AM -0700, Gothnet wrote: Given 2 and 3, a quicker boot time would be nice, but if we could fix the things that mean I have to boot it so often it would be helpful. I can't help much in the other things we'd all like to happen, but after a cursory (and cursing)

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Christ van Willegen
Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. Make it easy to update sources, and easy to build both kernel and userland stuff, and also to

RE: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Crane, Matthew
capabilities, i'd go back to the iPhone 3G in a heartbeat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vasco Névoa Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:58 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Back to the basics: improving user

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Didier Raboud
Christ van Willegen wrote: Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. Make it easy to update sources, and easy to build both kernel

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread arne anka
Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is supposed to be a part of kde, the use case is clearly a desktop

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Mark Weinem
Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! well, if it is

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Marijn Kruisselbrink
On Friday 17 October 2008 14:43:06 Mark Weinem wrote: Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Friday, October 17, 2008 a las 02:43:06PM +0200, Mark Weinem escribió: Am Freitag 17 Oktober 2008 14:13:28 schrieb arne anka: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Minh Ha Duong
To Rui and all others interested in bootime improvement: A bootchart is available at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Minh Ha Duong schrieb: To Rui and all others interested in bootime improvement: A bootchart is available at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro i disabled my boot splash screen that saved me 10 seconds of boot time. ___ Openmoko

RE: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Crane, Matthew
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Minh Ha Duong Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 9:36 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience To Rui and all others interested in bootime improvement: A bootchart

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
William Kenworthy wrote: Did a quick google but couldnt figure out what it uses as storage. Hopefully not a relational database - they have their uses and qtopia has conclusively proven this is *NOT* it :) Well, I don't really know what Akonadi is using, but when I installed it in my ubuntu

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 2:48 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2. This also comes into the 'daily use phone' category: the echo / volume issues. Since settings which work for some people don't seem to work for others, I think that one way to sort this out might be to create a

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread Dareus
try and switch between different distros -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Back-to-the-basics%3A-improving-user-experience-tp1340253p1345583.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-17 Thread arne anka
==Pim device== imho that's exactly the kind of task openmoko did _not_ ask for. there are a lot of posts lately completely ignoring the point of basics and no eyecandy -- if the list in the wiki develops the same way it's plain useless. pim frinst is at it's best part of a middle tier, but

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Knight Walker
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 14:02 +0200, Mark Weinem wrote: Yes, the do indeed use MySQL! The follow-up question to that is: Does it really _need_ MySQL, or does it just use the convenience of an SQL back-end? If it just needs SQL, then it could be altered to use SQLite. If it requires MySQL, then

Re: PIM software (was: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Craig B. Allen
I used kdepimpi on my Linux Zaurus and found it very full-featured. I primarily used the datebook app. I keep hoping someone with more skill and time than I will port it to FR. It was built on top of Qtopia so it shouldn't be that formidable a task. -- Craig

Virtualized developer system (was Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience)

2008-10-17 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:10:12 +0200, Christ van Willegen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps another idea to lighten the core developers' load... Invest a little time (a day or so?) to properly set up a VMWare image that can be downloaded by developers that want to help in any way. Make it

Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread John Lee
Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. * Optimize the touch screen driver on freerunner for finger usage. * A generic

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:47 AM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working! Speed, speed, speed... If I compare the current user

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread joakim
John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. * Optimize the touch screen driver

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Graeme Gregory
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:08 +0200, arne anka wrote: I would like to ask the community: What do you want us to work on? accelerated x-driver! since the specs for the glamo are subject to an nda, nobody else can ... We have an accelerated X driver, do you mean add more features? I am

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Benedikt Schindler
W.Kenworthy schrieb: It often takes several boots before the pin dialog comes up. If you forget while waiting and it does come up but its awhile until you get to it, it will hang so you have to reboot anyway. Sometimes restarting X helps, but not always don't know if you already

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Minh Ha Duong
So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working! In my opinion, the buttons and LED are critical parts of the user-experience. They are still not consistent and reliable enough. Quick test: can _you_ tell what the various colours and light / blinking states mean ?

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread John Lee
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:15:59PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: 2008.9 + updates A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not waking up if

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Riccardo Centra
Why Qtopia? I prefer that you release the next minor update ( aka 2008.10 ) and focus all works on paroli and tichy. The new framework is pretty usable and stable. 2008/10/16 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:15:59PM +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: 2008.9 + updates A phone

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Nishit Dave
Prioritized: 1 - Solve the call quality problems (echo, buzzing, volume) for 99% of the users. 2 - Solve the illume resume problems. They have been talked about over and over, but unfortunately the information is scattered and imprecise. the tickets themselves have misleading info (I should

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread W.Kenworthy
2008.9 + updates A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not waking up if suspended when one comes in means that its almost unusable as a

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread William Kenworthy
Cant agree with this. They are bugs, but none are urgent issues and few affect a users basic needs - to be able to make phone calls and SMS's This is where OM lost the plot - it looks pretty, but doesnt work. Standing joke where I work (there are two of us neo owners - the other was thinking of

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 15:47 +0800, John Lee wrote: Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. * Optimize the

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread William Kenworthy
Nope, thats a furphy - made the alterations, two boots so far and no pin dialog ... Took the SD card out and the pin popped up - twice Put the SD card back in and no PIN dialog. I have an 8G card as 2 partitions. On p1 I have a single file while on p2 I have tangogps maps - but p2 isnt indexed

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Vasco Névoa
I agree with you partly; the main efforts should go into getting the new framework out - *as long as it runs on a rock-solid core system*. So I support the idea of accelerating the FSO integration... but in the meantime people have to use the sucking Qtopia ware in their everyday life,

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Didier Raboud
Vasco Névoa wrote: I agree with you partly; the main efforts should go into getting the new framework out - *as long as it runs on a rock-solid core system*. So I support the idea of accelerating the FSO integration... but in the meantime people have to use the sucking Qtopia ware in their

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread David Samblas
El jue, 16-10-2008 a las 15:47 +0800, John Lee escribió: Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: * Reduce boot time. ok *

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread dant
functionality. you want to play some games? sorry you have to wait (which is acceptable). ps. this approach could also apply to some basic settings. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Back-to-the-basics%3A-improving-user-experience-tp1340253p1340779.html Sent from the Openmoko

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Al Iasid
As a user that switches between Debian, Qtopia, and om2008, I urge you to focus on improving areas that could benefit all distributions. I don't understand the technical dependencies, but I get the impression that Lorn and the Debian folks rely on some form of Openmoko development. Just as an

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Christ van Willegen schrieb: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:47 AM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working! Speed, speed,

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread arne anka
accelerated x-driver! since the specs for the glamo are subject to an nda, nobody else can ... We have an accelerated X driver, do you mean add more features? afair 3d and video (ie playing videos) still need work. am i wrong? did i miss something? additionally, xglamo in debian does not

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread William Kenworthy
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 17:15 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote: 2008.9 + updates A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's ... and I forgot to add, more regular updates to the stable branch. Monthly is way too long considering the rate of

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/10/16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here are my desired clients I want to develop: - Emacs phone services on top of dbus Hey, me too! Can we share / help each other out? That said, all I have so far is an attempt at an Emacs soft keyboard (attached). It's very clunky and basic right now, but I

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Alasal
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Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread arne anka
I would like to ask the community: What do you want us to work on? accelerated x-driver! since the specs for the glamo are subject to an nda, nobody else can ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Vasco Névoa
An important note to the people who are experiencing all-round instability: I haven't had many problems with phone calls or SMS. I believe the critical point was to disable QPE's file search upon bootup [1]. Before I did that, I had all kinds of mysterious problems (including PIN), derived

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread joakim
Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2008/10/16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here are my desired clients I want to develop: - Emacs phone services on top of dbus Hey, me too! Can we share / help each other out? Cool! Clearly we should work together. Here are some ideas of mine: - get emacs23

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Vasco Névoa
I can see there are at least 2 distinct types of user of OM: A - I need a working phone now, the uber-cool PDA stuff can wait; B - OM is a groundbreaking project, I don't care about telephony, let's press the revolution! As much as I am divided among the two views, I think OM must oblige to

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Paul
Vasco Névoa wrote: I can see there are at least 2 distinct types of user of OM: A - I need a working phone now, the uber-cool PDA stuff can wait; B - OM is a groundbreaking project, I don't care about telephony, let's press the revolution! As much as I am divided among the two views, I

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread SCarlson
! :) Regards, John ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Back-to-the-basics%3A-improving-user-experience

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Jason Cawood
I agree to this point. I would rather wait a few months to have a rock solid core functioning device than one that works now with something that isn't going to be used long term. quote who=Didier Raboud Vasco Névoa wrote: I agree with you partly; the main efforts should go into getting the

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
Suspend is quite good at the moment, but when the display is 'blanked' and the system is not in suspend, maybe pressing the 'power' button could wake up the screen instead. Now it wakes up and immediately suspends. 100% agreement. The suspend on power button is completely useless for me.

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Sebastian Billaudelle
Am Donnerstag, den 16.10.2008, 10:13 -0700 schrieb SCarlson: I would love to see the rotation/scaling bugs finished up Bug #1244. It has evolved as far as symptoms, both scaling to low res 320x240 and rotation yield incorrect x,y coordinates. (Although going through tslib directly works

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Christian Weßel
Am Donnerstag, den 16.10.2008, 18:20 +0200 schrieb Paul: Vasco Névoa wrote: I can see there are at least 2 distinct types of user of OM: A - I need a working phone now, the uber-cool PDA stuff can wait; B - OM is a groundbreaking project, I don't care about telephony, let's press the

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Boris Wong
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 16:58 +0100, Vasco Névoa wrote: I can see there are at least 2 distinct types of user of OM: A - I need a working phone now, the uber-cool PDA stuff can wait; B - OM is a groundbreaking project, I don't care about telephony, let's press the revolution! As much as I am

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Leonti Bielski
Personally I would like to see stopping development of ASU and 2007 stack and concentrate on FSO and developing some standards. The reason for this is that so much time and effort are spent on something that we won't use in the future. If the official distro is going to be based on FSO,

Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Ken Young
John Lee wrote: Hi, Like Wolfgang said in http://n2.nabble.com/Weekly-Engineering-News-41-2008-td1336450.html We assembled a team to focus on improving the user experience. Here is our todo list at the moment: [...] I would like to ask the community: What do you want us to work on?

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread t m
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:15 AM, W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008.9 + updates A phone that works: reliably make and receive calls reliably make and receive sms's At the moment, totally losing sms messages (phone sometimes hangs/crashes when one comes in) or not

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Leonti Bielski wrote: But what about PIM stack? There is a project from GSOC, but it's either dead or just being developed really slow. What if some time OM is spending on ASU get to develop PIM stack for FSO? Or even make a 0.9 release of FSO even earlier as planned? This is what I'd like

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Michael Zanetti
On Thursday 16 October 2008 23:22:26 t m wrote: Who cares a beep about wifi , speed, gps, accelerometer, booting time when the phone itself doesn't work. I agree about beep, speed, gps, accelerometer. But I would say a little bit of faster booting would be necessary in these early days where

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Ben Hussey
Citando John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What do you want us to work on? Prioritized: 1 - Solve the call quality problems (echo, buzzing, volume) for 99% of the users. 2 - Solve the illume resume problems. They have been talked about over and over, but unfortunately the information is

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread Guillaume Chereau
On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 05:00 -0700, dant wrote: So maybe we could make one big(ger) app (remember that there is quite big amount of ram there) responsible for calling, contacts, sms and all that phonny stuff and keep it all the time in memory with all needed library (static build?) There are a

Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience

2008-10-16 Thread John Lee
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 01:01:27PM +0200, Riccardo Centra wrote: Why Qtopia? I prefer that you release the next minor update ( aka 2008.10 ) and focus all works on paroli and tichy. The new framework is pretty usable and stable. Our plan is to bring qtopia to a more usable state then it