Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Yes, I really meant bass fix. I have replaced each 1uF cap with 2x 47uF caps in parallel. They are isolated by heat-shrinking tube and everything even fit under the metal cover. It really helped a lot, no problem using my FR as portable player now. I have taken some pictures ... anyone interested? I may put them online if so. BTW... although my phone seems not to be affected by GSM buzz problems, I did buzz fix also just for shure. Zb. Martix píše v Po 07. 02. 2011 v 16:31 +0100: > Did you really meant bass fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix > Or buzz fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix ? > > > 2011/2/6 Hrabosh : > > I was doing bass-fix to my Freerunner today so I did the the same > > measurement with generator again. I run "Voice notes" and set the > > generator so that the amplitude was simmilar to the amplitude of voice, > > captured by the microphone. LAter on I was listening to the files > > recorded when setting the generator and the 1kHz beep was clean and the > > volume was OK. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Did you really meant bass fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Or buzz fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix ? 2011/2/6 Hrabosh : > I was doing bass-fix to my Freerunner today so I did the the same > measurement with generator again. I run "Voice notes" and set the > generator so that the amplitude was simmilar to the amplitude of voice, > captured by the microphone. LAter on I was listening to the files > recorded when setting the generator and the 1kHz beep was clean and the > volume was OK. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Al Johnson píše v Pá 04. 02. 2011 v 13:46 +: > How did you pick 0.5mV as a suitable input amplitude? Measurement of peaks > when talking? > > It was completely wrong! I did some internet search and found that micropohone like that in FR usually produce signal with amplitude in tens of mV. I was wondering if the singal was only 0.5mV it wouldn't probalby get distorted so easily - so I went to check my generator and saw that the attenuator was set incorrectly and so the signal was probably way higher than 0.5mV. I was doing bass-fix to my Freerunner today so I did the the same measurement with generator again. I run "Voice notes" and set the generator so that the amplitude was simmilar to the amplitude of voice, captured by the microphone. LAter on I was listening to the files recorded when setting the generator and the 1kHz beep was clean and the volume was OK. I rewrite the text and put there all pictures from the scope I made. http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html Seems that the sidetone may be set to 2 instead of 1, but mic should stay 0. Thanks for your question ! Zb. > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
On Sunday 23 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: > Al Johnson píše v Pá 21. 01. 2011 v 10:34 +: > > On Friday 21 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected > > > by R3004 issue [1]. > > > > > > It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and > > > volume got better! > > > > > > I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input > > > and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes > > > that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) > > > if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write > > > more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my > > > camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) > > > > That would be interesting to see, but your summary seems wrong or perhaps > > oversimplified. Distortion is inevitable if you overload an amp, and > > oscillation isn't unusual immediately after overload. It isn't a function > > of the overall path gain though. The wolfson has a chain of amps and > > volume controls, and it only needs overload at one of them to introduce > > distortion. Stick the gain too high on the first stage (mic input) and > > the distortion won't go away no matter how far you turn down the gain on > > later stages. This has been a long standing problem with the default > > volume settings. > > Yes, it is oversimplified. It is obvious that you can't fix distortion > by lowering the gain of next-in-chain amplifier. You are just > controlling the volume of already distorted signal. If it was that obvious we wouldn't have had default settings guaranteed to cause distortion earlier than necessary in the first place. It seems it's only obvious to those of us with a grounding in analogue electronics, or those who spend time with guitar amps and similar. > I put that picture from my scope with a short description to my web > page, here: > > http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html > > I was very surprised how LOW I had to set the audio controls to get rid > of distortion: > > Mic2: 0 > Sidetone: 1 > > Strange ... How did you pick 0.5mV as a suitable input amplitude? Measurement of peaks when talking? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
Petr Vanek píše v So 22. 01. 2011 v 05:51 +0800: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:32:40 +0100 > Hrabosh (H) wrote: > > >But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth > >module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. > > ahoy, > zdar! > the flexible PCB for BT does seem to be able to crack very easily, > mine broke about a year ago. One day, i would love to sit down and fix > it but as it is quite tedious job under a microscope i have been > procrastinating this as much as i could. Besides, it helped me to stop > worrying about the FSO BT support and i also stopped spamming people > on public transport with tux images via BT ;)) > I got dead motherboard with BT module on it from Golden Delicious. So I replaced it earlier this week and everything seems to work. I was trying to pair my FR with my car radio today while bored in traffic jam - so I run the search procedure and found 4 mobile phones and 3 hands-free sets :-) BTW.. I've just received a bunch of E-mails from last 2 weeks or so. Strange ... Zb. > Petr > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Al Johnson píše v Pá 21. 01. 2011 v 10:34 +: > On Friday 21 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by > > R3004 issue [1]. > > > > It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume > > got better! > > > > I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input > > and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes > > that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) > > if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write > > more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my > > camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) > > That would be interesting to see, but your summary seems wrong or perhaps > oversimplified. Distortion is inevitable if you overload an amp, and > oscillation isn't unusual immediately after overload. It isn't a function of > the overall path gain though. The wolfson has a chain of amps and volume > controls, and it only needs overload at one of them to introduce distortion. > Stick the gain too high on the first stage (mic input) and the distortion > won't go away no matter how far you turn down the gain on later stages. This > has been a long standing problem with the default volume settings. Yes, it is oversimplified. It is obvious that you can't fix distortion by lowering the gain of next-in-chain amplifier. You are just controlling the volume of already distorted signal. I put that picture from my scope with a short description to my web page, here: http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html I was very surprised how LOW I had to set the audio controls to get rid of distortion: Mic2: 0 Sidetone: 1 Strange ... > > > But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth > > module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. > > > > Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? > > I've not seen anyone list them as a spare for sale, but any of the > distributors might have them available. Nicholas from Golden Delicious answered my desperate E-mail :-) > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:32:40 +0100 Hrabosh (H) wrote: >But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth >module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. ahoy, the flexible PCB for BT does seem to be able to crack very easily, mine broke about a year ago. One day, i would love to sit down and fix it but as it is quite tedious job under a microscope i have been procrastinating this as much as i could. Besides, it helped me to stop worrying about the FSO BT support and i also stopped spamming people on public transport with tux images via BT ;)) Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
On Friday 21 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: > Hi guys, > > yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by > R3004 issue [1]. > > It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume > got better! > > I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input > and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes > that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) > if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write > more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my > camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) That would be interesting to see, but your summary seems wrong or perhaps oversimplified. Distortion is inevitable if you overload an amp, and oscillation isn't unusual immediately after overload. It isn't a function of the overall path gain though. The wolfson has a chain of amps and volume controls, and it only needs overload at one of them to introduce distortion. Stick the gain too high on the first stage (mic input) and the distortion won't go away no matter how far you turn down the gain on later stages. This has been a long standing problem with the default volume settings. > But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth > module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. > > Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? I've not seen anyone list them as a spare for sale, but any of the distributors might have them available. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
Sorry: [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/052914.html Hrabosh píše v Pá 21. 01. 2011 v 07:32 +0100: > Hi guys, > > yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by > R3004 issue [1]. > > It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume > got better! > > I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input > and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes > that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) > if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write > more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my > camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) > > > But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth > module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. > > Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? > > Thanks, Zbynek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/052914.html > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bluetooth module
Hi guys, yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by R3004 issue [1]. It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume got better! I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? Thanks, Zbynek [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/052914.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware Recommendations - Desktop Bluetooth Module
Jeff Rush wrote: Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/adapter for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu, and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles. I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card would be less likely to get broken...since a dongle would always be protruding from the case. Thoughts, opinions? What does everyone else use? I too would like to find such - a nice PCMCIA/PCCARD to put into my laptop and forget about, as opposed to a USB dongle hanging out. Non-USB BT seems rare but I'm still looking and would appreciate notice if anyone gets there first. There are very short USB dongles that stick out 10mm or so. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware Recommendations - Desktop Bluetooth Module
Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/adapter for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu, and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles. I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card would be less likely to get broken...since a dongle would always be protruding from the case. Thoughts, opinions? What does everyone else use? I too would like to find such - a nice PCMCIA/PCCARD to put into my laptop and forget about, as opposed to a USB dongle hanging out. Non-USB BT seems rare but I'm still looking and would appreciate notice if anyone gets there first. -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware Recommendations - Desktop Bluetooth Module
On 31 Jul 2007, at 22:38, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/ adapter for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu, and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles. I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card would be less likely to get broken...since a dongle would always be protruding from the case. Thoughts, opinions? What does everyone else use? -Jonathon I have a Belkin F8T002 ver 2 USB module that works well. I believe they mostly use a standard chip. Just like USB chips are OHCI etc... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hardware Recommendations - Desktop Bluetooth Module
On 31 Jul 2007, at 22:49, Giles Jones wrote: On 31 Jul 2007, at 22:38, Jonathon Suggs wrote: Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/ adapter for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu, and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles. I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card would be less likely to get broken...since a dongle would always be protruding from the case. Thoughts, opinions? What does everyone else use? -Jonathon I have a Belkin F8T002 ver 2 USB module that works well. I believe they mostly use a standard chip. Just like USB chips are OHCI etc... Sorry, that's F8T003 ver 2 (very small writing on case). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Hardware Recommendations - Desktop Bluetooth Module
Does anyone have a good recommendation for a Bluetooth module/adapter for the desktop ? Features: Bluetooth 2.0, good support under Ubuntu, and also provide most all of the Bluetooth profiles. I don't mind a dongle, but would think that having an internal card would be less likely to get broken...since a dongle would always be protruding from the case. Thoughts, opinions? What does everyone else use? -Jonathon ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
