Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
[cut] True! You have to open it, unplug each internal cable (display unit, maybe something more) and clean everything with alcohol, flux remover or something similar. While using alcohol on LCD screen be careful. AFAIR LCD module is one-piece type, which means it is not designed for disassembly, so if water got between layers of LCD module, it might be difficult to clean it. Also LCD is most sensitive for high temperature. First clean all electronics, and check if that helps. If not, then start cleaning LCD. Just search this list archives. There were many topics about disassembling LCD module. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
On Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:45:51 +0200 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: [cut] True! You have to open it, unplug each internal cable (display unit, maybe something more) and clean everything with alcohol, flux remover or something similar. While using alcohol on LCD screen be careful. AFAIR LCD module is one-piece type, which means it is not designed for disassembly, so if water got between layers of LCD module, it might be difficult to clean it. Also LCD is most sensitive for high temperature. First clean all electronics, and check if that helps. If not, then start cleaning LCD. Just search this list archives. There were many topics about disassembling LCD module. Thanks for the info, I cleaned the little residue that was inside, but it didn't help. I'm going to try alcohol on the mainboard soon, but for the LCD I might go to some phone repair shop... Didn't know that LCD was sensitive to temperature, so you might have just saved me trouble :) Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
[cut] I'm going to try alcohol on the mainboard soon, but for the LCD I might go to some phone repair shop... Didn't know that LCD was sensitive to temperature, so you might have just saved me trouble :) I wrote _high_ temperature, so if you do not intend to use any soldering tool, you are prettty safe to clean it by yourself ;). At least electronic parts of LCD. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:43:10 +0200 Hrabosh zbyne...@volny.cz wrote: omcomali@porcupinefactory.org píše v St 03. 08. 2011 v 19:04 +0200: Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. How were you drying it? Hrabosh I left it on the windowsill with battery removed (but was too afraid to open the case). Do yoy think it was enough? rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
[cut] I left it on the windowsill with battery removed (but was too afraid to open the case). Do yoy think it was enough? definitely not. You need to open the case and clean the residue. Especially if the water was not clean (like from a lake) or salty. If you are afraid you can always ask someone skilled to do it. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
Patryk Benderz píše v Čt 04. 08. 2011 v 10:02 +0200: [cut] I left it on the windowsill with battery removed (but was too afraid to open the case). Do yoy think it was enough? definitely not. You need to open the case and clean the residue. Especially if the water was not clean (like from a lake) or salty. If you are afraid you can always ask someone skilled to do it. True! You have to open it, unplug each internal cable (display unit, maybe something more) and clean everything with alcohol, flux remover or something similar. It is not a rocket sience :-) You just need to get rid of the fear of using a screw driver on $300 unit. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Hrabosh wrote: Patryk Benderz pí?e v ?t 04. 08. 2011 v 10:02 +0200: [cut] I left it on the windowsill with battery removed (but was too afraid to open the case). Do yoy think it was enough? definitely not. You need to open the case and clean the residue. Especially if the water was not clean (like from a lake) or salty. If you are afraid you can always ask someone skilled to do it. True! You have to open it, unplug each internal cable (display unit, maybe something more) and clean everything with alcohol, flux remover or something similar. It is not a rocket sience :-) You just need to get rid of the fear of using a screw driver on $300 unit. Well, it somehow is, concerning the GPS antenna (whose satelites are transported by rockets). I already broke one GPS antenna cable and that is for sure unrepairable with usual soldering tools. But the rest of my phone has survived many, many (dis-)assembling steps without problems. Instructions for example: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973 A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
Alexander Lehner píše v Čt 04. 08. 2011 v 23:21 +0200: On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Hrabosh wrote: Patryk Benderz pí?e v ?t 04. 08. 2011 v 10:02 +0200: [cut] I left it on the windowsill with battery removed (but was too afraid to open the case). Do yoy think it was enough? definitely not. You need to open the case and clean the residue. Especially if the water was not clean (like from a lake) or salty. If you are afraid you can always ask someone skilled to do it. True! You have to open it, unplug each internal cable (display unit, maybe something more) and clean everything with alcohol, flux remover or something similar. It is not a rocket sience :-) You just need to get rid of the fear of using a screw driver on $300 unit. Well, it somehow is, concerning the GPS antenna (whose satelites are transported by rockets). I already broke one GPS antenna cable and that is for sure unrepairable with usual soldering tools. But the rest of my phone has survived many, many (dis-)assembling steps without problems. Instructions for example: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo_1973 My point was that you don't have to be super-skilled to do that, you just have to be CAREFULL. BTW ... my GPS antena survived all my dis/assembling steps, but I tore off bluetooth module once :-( A. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Broken Freerunner - repairable?
Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. The problem is, the screen goes gradually white at some points during boot (but not on the SHR-Today screen, where the screen shows distorted copies of the screen). I tried reflashing a newer SHR version, but apparently the drawing methods are still the same. There's a video of the boot process here: http://porcupinefactory.org/data/brokenFR.avi (5 MB). After the video ends, the screen goes white again. It doesn't show NAND boot menu which works fine. Can anyone point me to which replaceable part may be broken? Is it the whole screen module that needs to be replaced? Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
On 08/03/2011 07:04 PM, omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. The problem is, the screen goes gradually white at some points during boot (but not on the SHR-Today screen, where the screen shows distorted copies of the screen). I tried reflashing a newer SHR version, but apparently the drawing methods are still the same. There's a video of the boot process here: http://porcupinefactory.org/data/brokenFR.avi (5 MB). After the video ends, the screen goes white again. It doesn't show NAND boot menu which works fine. Can anyone point me to which replaceable part may be broken? Is it the whole screen module that needs to be replaced? Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Rhn, It doesn't seem to be that broken, it boots, but it shows no splash screen. Did you try to leave it on for 10/15 minutes and see what happens? The freerunner has three (?) splash screens, did you try to reflash them as well? [1] I hope the FR will come to live again. Kind regards, Ed PS i was not able to reflash my splash screens, so if it doesn't work as per wiki, don't dispair. if you are able to reflash the splash screen, please correct the wiki if it was incorrect. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:26:04 +0200 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: On 08/03/2011 07:04 PM, omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. The problem is, the screen goes gradually white at some points during boot (but not on the SHR-Today screen, where the screen shows distorted copies of the screen). I tried reflashing a newer SHR version, but apparently the drawing methods are still the same. There's a video of the boot process here: http://porcupinefactory.org/data/brokenFR.avi (5 MB). After the video ends, the screen goes white again. It doesn't show NAND boot menu which works fine. Can anyone point me to which replaceable part may be broken? Is it the whole screen module that needs to be replaced? Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Rhn, It doesn't seem to be that broken, it boots, but it shows no splash screen. Did you try to leave it on for 10/15 minutes and see what happens? The freerunner has three (?) splash screens, did you try to reflash them as well? [1] I hope the FR will come to live again. Kind regards, Ed PS i was not able to reflash my splash screens, so if it doesn't work as per wiki, don't dispair. if you are able to reflash the splash screen, please correct the wiki if it was incorrect. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen Hi Ed, Actually, it boots through the kernel and into Illume. I'm quite sure it's not related to any splash screens - I could switch between SHR-Today (visible) and Illume (broken). I suspect that the screen (?) reacts differently to different video modes. Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
Hey! As developer of SHR-Today/idle_screen I can say, that idle_screen is just a fullscreen window above the illume desktop. = It shouldn't change any mode of the screen/Shouldn't treat the screen any other than the illume desktop. BR, Lukas On 03.08.2011 19:56, omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:26:04 +0200 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: On 08/03/2011 07:04 PM, omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. The problem is, the screen goes gradually white at some points during boot (but not on the SHR-Today screen, where the screen shows distorted copies of the screen). I tried reflashing a newer SHR version, but apparently the drawing methods are still the same. There's a video of the boot process here: http://porcupinefactory.org/data/brokenFR.avi (5 MB). After the video ends, the screen goes white again. It doesn't show NAND boot menu which works fine. Can anyone point me to which replaceable part may be broken? Is it the whole screen module that needs to be replaced? Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Rhn, It doesn't seem to be that broken, it boots, but it shows no splash screen. Did you try to leave it on for 10/15 minutes and see what happens? The freerunner has three (?) splash screens, did you try to reflash them as well? [1] I hope the FR will come to live again. Kind regards, Ed PS i was not able to reflash my splash screens, so if it doesn't work as per wiki, don't dispair. if you are able to reflash the splash screen, please correct the wiki if it was incorrect. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen Hi Ed, Actually, it boots through the kernel and into Illume. I'm quite sure it's not related to any splash screens - I could switch between SHR-Today (visible) and Illume (broken). I suspect that the screen (?) reacts differently to different video modes. Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
Thanks for your answer, Lukas! Now I suspect that SHR-Today worked better because it's much darker than Illume desktop. Similar things happened to me when working on monochrome LCD displays with broken capacitors. rhn On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:17:07 +0200 Lukas Märdian lukasmaerd...@googlemail.com wrote: Hey! As developer of SHR-Today/idle_screen I can say, that idle_screen is just a fullscreen window above the illume desktop. = It shouldn't change any mode of the screen/Shouldn't treat the screen any other than the illume desktop. BR, Lukas On 03.08.2011 19:56, omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:26:04 +0200 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org wrote: On 08/03/2011 07:04 PM, omcomali@porcupinefactory.org wrote: Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. The problem is, the screen goes gradually white at some points during boot (but not on the SHR-Today screen, where the screen shows distorted copies of the screen). I tried reflashing a newer SHR version, but apparently the drawing methods are still the same. There's a video of the boot process here: http://porcupinefactory.org/data/brokenFR.avi (5 MB). After the video ends, the screen goes white again. It doesn't show NAND boot menu which works fine. Can anyone point me to which replaceable part may be broken? Is it the whole screen module that needs to be replaced? Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Hi Rhn, It doesn't seem to be that broken, it boots, but it shows no splash screen. Did you try to leave it on for 10/15 minutes and see what happens? The freerunner has three (?) splash screens, did you try to reflash them as well? [1] I hope the FR will come to live again. Kind regards, Ed PS i was not able to reflash my splash screens, so if it doesn't work as per wiki, don't dispair. if you are able to reflash the splash screen, please correct the wiki if it was incorrect. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen Hi Ed, Actually, it boots through the kernel and into Illume. I'm quite sure it's not related to any splash screens - I could switch between SHR-Today (visible) and Illume (broken). I suspect that the screen (?) reacts differently to different video modes. Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Freerunner - repairable?
omcomali@porcupinefactory.org píše v St 03. 08. 2011 v 19:04 +0200: Hi all, Last week I was unfortunate enough to have my Freerunner submerged in a lake for a short moment. While I took out the battery immediately, it doesn't quite work any more. It spent about 10 secs underwater, and after a few days of drying, it seems to boot properly both from NAND menu and plain power-button method. How were you drying it? Hrabosh The problem is, the screen goes gradually white at some points during boot (but not on the SHR-Today screen, where the screen shows distorted copies of the screen). I tried reflashing a newer SHR version, but apparently the drawing methods are still the same. There's a video of the boot process here: http://porcupinefactory.org/data/brokenFR.avi (5 MB). After the video ends, the screen goes white again. It doesn't show NAND boot menu which works fine. Can anyone point me to which replaceable part may be broken? Is it the whole screen module that needs to be replaced? Cheers, rhn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
