Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-21 Thread Robin Paulson
On 19/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I invite you all to help me organize this. It would be useful to create images of what's in these files, both high res and low res. It would be useful to have these files converted to other formats. Then I can figure out how to

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Robin Paulson wrote: On 19/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I invite you all to help me organize this. It would be useful to create images of what's in these files, both high res and low res. It would be useful to have these files converted to other formats. Then I can

R: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread Michele Manzato
Having used it for some time, my impression is that Blender is a 3d modeler which is very much focussed on rendering, while other aspects of 3d design are weak (e.g. keeping control over measurement - no quotation lines). The user interface is unconventional, it is based on a coordinated use of

Re: R: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Jan 18, 2008 2:47 AM, Michele Manzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having used it for some time, my impression is that Blender is a 3d modeler which is very much focussed on rendering, while other aspects of 3d design are weak (e.g. keeping control over measurement - no quotation lines). The

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread Michael Shiloh
Robin Paulson wrote: On 18/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am preparing the right place to put the files. I have a question: case schematics is the wrong name. What is the right name? CAD Files? ID CAD Files? CAD Drawings? Someone in the field help me out here. they are

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:33:48 +, andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unzip GTA01_dimensions.zip Archive: GTA01_dimensions.zip ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat GTA01_dimensions/README.txt This file was saved from Pro/Engineer Wildfire 3.0. Open via gtc01-mme01.asm.

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread andy selby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] unzip GTA01_dimensions.zip Archive: GTA01_dimensions.zip creating: GTA01_dimensions/ inflating: GTA01_dimensions/_2in1_hinge_asm.prt.1 inflating: GTA01_dimensions/_gbsa-100a.prt.1 inflating: GTA01_dimensions/_p06.prt.1 inflating: GTA01_dimensions/_v_l_any.prt.1

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread Neil Davey
Michael Shiloh wrote: I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation. lol.. concrete.. nice.. so a modern 'brick' phone.. :) Anyone have access to useful manufacturing tools? I have

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-18 Thread Neil Davey
Can you generate CAM paths with Blender? That I don't know. I don't think Blender does.. although you might be able to write a plugin.. :) It's for windows, but I've been evaluating MeshCAM (http://www.grzsoftware.com/) for tool path generation from STL files and it seems ok so far, but

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-17 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Jeremiah - thanks for the detailed information, it is indeed very helpful. The file format is the last open question. We have been looking into it the whole day. We are concerned that we release a file that will not be really useful for the purpose we are trying to achieve - allow for custom

RE: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-17 Thread Rogen, Mario
I did not follow the whole discussion but today i've read about a CAD Software which is free for personal use and i think it is able to read/import? Pro-E files: http://www.medusa4.com/index.php?screen=1.3ziel=Products-MEDUSAland=co m maybe someone knows more details? Best regards Mario

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-17 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Thanks to Mario for the link. I'll have to try MEDUSA in the next few days. From the documentation, it looks like it may be like BRLCAD and require a copy of ProE for the coversion (hopefully not), but we'll have to wait see unless someone already knows for sure. I'm glad to see a decision

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-17 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Wolgang, someone made a wiki entry at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_case_schematics, so this would likely be a good place to place the Pro-E schematics for the Neo1973. I am preparing the right place to put the files. I have a question: case

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-17 Thread Robin Paulson
On 18/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am preparing the right place to put the files. I have a question: case schematics is the wrong name. What is the right name? CAD Files? ID CAD Files? CAD Drawings? Someone in the field help me out here. they are CAD files yes, but the

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Jeremiah - Do you know if this model has objects providing dimensions for the pcb, screen, battery, other elements? It isn't a problem to wait see, if the release will be occurring soon. I was just curious. Why would you want dimensions for pcb, screen, battery, etc? Regarding the

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 16 January 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Jeremiah - Do you know if this model has objects providing dimensions for the pcb, screen, battery, other elements? It isn't a problem to wait see, if the release will be occurring soon. I was just curious. Why would you want

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Esben Stien
Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Regarding the format, the original is in Pro/Engineer Assembly (.asm) and Part (.prt) files. That's probably hard to digest for any FOSS CAD software. BRLCAD[0] has preliminary support for this format. [0]http://brlcad.org/ -- Esben Stien is

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Esben - Interesting. I checked on BRLCAD's website Converting Geometry Between BRL-CAD and other Formats, Page 17 http://ftp.brlcad.org/VolumeIV-Converting_Geometry.pdf and it seems Pro/E import is actually quite solid. However you need a seat of Pro/E to do the conversion. Is releasing in

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
I don't think ProE by itself is suitable, especially since you need a copy of ProE even to import it to BRLCAD. I myself would suggest Wavefront (.obj), ASCII DXF (.dxf), or STL (.stl) file. All are standard formats should be in ProE and any other 3D editor. Instructions for converting

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Jeremiah - thanks for the information, that is indeed very helpful. Your list includes DXF, that was the preference before. I am concerned that the export process will corrupt the file and we release a file that will be painful to actually use. From the formats you listed (Wavefront, DXF,

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
There are converters from .stl and .dxf files to G-code. A web search will bring up a few. I couldn't recommend any because I haven't tried them. Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 8:32 PM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you generate CAM paths with Blender?

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-16 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Jeremiah - thanks for the information, that is indeed very helpful. Your list includes DXF, that was the preference before. I am concerned that the export process will corrupt the file and we release a file that will be painful to actually use. From the formats you

CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Community, Can't remember if I told you this or not, but OpenMoko has decided to make available the CAD files detailing the NEO case. I'm pretty sure the format will be .dxf files. To my limited understanding of CAD, this seems pretty universal and easy to convert to the other formats.

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Yes, you did say they were going to try and make CAD files available. I'm happy to hear further confirmation back so soon. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get the files. DXF files should also be fine. I know of several free editors that can import these natively or with a plugin

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Paulson
On 15/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't remember if I told you this or not, but OpenMoko has decided to make available the CAD files detailing the NEO case. fantastic, no i don't recall seeing this confirmed. thanks michael I'm pretty sure the format will be .dxf files.

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Jan 14, 2008 11:14 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you did say they were going to try and make CAD files available. I'm happy to hear further confirmation back so soon. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get the files. DXF files should also be fine. I know

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread andy selby
What is your favorite Linux CAD tool for actual 3D work? Blender seems to import .dxf files though I've never tried any thing other than native files. Get it at www.blender3d.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
yes, dxf is spot on Thanks for the confirmation. great, now we can swing into action and get al those alternative cases designed and built I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: Yes, you did say they were going to try and make CAD files available. I'm happy to hear further confirmation back so soon. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get the files. DXF files should also be fine. I know of several free editors that can import

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Paulson
On 15/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation. concrete! now there's an idea. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Steampunk is one of

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 11:14 AM, Jeremiah Flerchinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you did say they were going to try and make CAD files available. I'm happy to hear further confirmation back so soon. Hopefully it won't take too much longer to get the files. DXF files should

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Jan 14, 2008 12:52 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation. A concrete phone? You can't make it anywhere near as thin as plastic can

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Tim
Ben Burdette schrieb: great, now we can swing into action and get al those alternative cases designed and built My company gets aluminum sensor boxes made on a regular basis. They are pretty comparable to the neo case in complexity, and I think we could get them made for about 200$

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Paulson
On 15/01/2008, Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: great, now we can swing into action and get al those alternative cases designed and built My company gets aluminum sensor boxes made on a regular basis. They are pretty comparable to the neo case in complexity, and I think we could

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Ben Burdette
great, now we can swing into action and get al those alternative cases designed and built My company gets aluminum sensor boxes made on a regular basis. They are pretty comparable to the neo case in complexity, and I think we could get them made for about 200$ each in a batch of 30-40

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Michael Shiloh writes: Now what would a steampunk phone look like? I really, really like what might be a called a restrained steampunk style. Something like the existing black/silver case, with a wood veneer in place of black and brass-bound for the silver.

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Daniel Barkalow
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: great, now we can swing into action and get al those alternative cases designed and built I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation.

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Jan 14, 2008 12:52 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally look forward to non-traditional materials. I have an obsession with concrete, which I'm trying to figure out how to apply in this situation. A concrete phone? You can't make it anywhere

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Daniel Barkalow wrote: Anyone have access to useful manufacturing tools? I have friends with CNC mills and lathes, and one with a water jet cutter. I have indirect access to 3D printers. Anything else interesting out there? http://www.candyfab.org/ Other phones make their owners angry.

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Arvidson
I also suggest Alibre Express, although it is for Windows and it's not FOSS, but I was involved in much of the writing of it, so I enjoy seeing it being used. Blender would work great for this application, although it's not a parametric solid modeler. I'll have to give it a spin. --Mark Arvidson

Re: CAD files for the case of the Neo will be made available

2008-01-14 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Shawn Rutledge wrote: What is your favorite Linux CAD tool for actual 3D work? I have to agree with the people that say Blender is a high quality program. For a simple 3D editor I would suggest something like Art of Illusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_of_Illusion). In my opinion