Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see it (and remove if desired). True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of the kernel people can confirm this. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. | | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki | | Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will | charge in the FreeRunner? | | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. | | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see | it (and remove if desired). | | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of | the kernel people can confirm this. Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line up with the battery socket. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjio+4ACgkQOjLpvpq7dMqoAgCaA+hAgTrlhTyCB7HNqX/38GY/ 3poAoIfVSn2AidbpusOZLhyXZvm/Lfrd =v47k -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
verify and place in the wiki or FAQ Michael Shiloh wrote: The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Dale Schumacher wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger Thanks! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. | | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki | | Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will | charge in the FreeRunner? | | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand. | | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see | it (and remove if desired). | | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of | the kernel people can confirm this. Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line up with the battery socket. Thanks Andy! I'll add this to the wiki. (Sorry I reposted to the kernel list before I saw your response.) Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
