Community Update Draft

2011-04-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all,
since nobody else did for a while, I have taken the 2 minutes to create a new
community update page:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2011-05-01

Please add your content!

Nikolaus



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Community update 2009-10-28

2009-10-29 Thread Evgeniy Ginzburg
Hello all

New CU released [0], there was not too much news in last two weeks,
but here we are.
Some applications and distributions updated, there is new keyboard app - Kbosd.
Take a look at Community  and Events section.

As usual, draft for the next CU [1] made.

For all developers and community members.
Please do add information to community update draft pages when you
have made something new, or want to do it.
It's one of the best ways to spread the word about you work.

[0] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/2009-10-28
[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/Draft_2009-11-11

P.S sorry for my ugly English.

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Re: Community update 2009-10-28

2009-10-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
Thanks! But I would say there are lot of news this time ;) thanks to all
contributors.

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18th Community Update Released

2009-05-22 Thread sushama
Dear All,

Here is the 18th community update for the period May 1st to May 22, 2009.
This update has news about various distributions, applications and also 
new applications that have been released in this period. In the 
distribution side Hackable:1, Neovento has new release and Om2009 has 
the latest testing image -4 which was released today. There are a lot 
more application updates as well.You can read all this and more here 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/May_22%2C_2009.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this .

Regards,
Sushama

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Draft of 18th Community Update

2009-05-20 Thread sushama
Hi All,

The draft for the 18th community update can be found here :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/May_22%2C_2009

Please feel free to add/edit any more information to the page.This 
update is for the period from May 1st 2009 to May 22nd 2009.The update 
will be released on May 22nd.

Regards,
Sushama

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17th Community Update Released

2009-04-30 Thread sushama
Dear All,

The 17th Community Update has been released. We have news from various 
distributions like the koolu releasing beta 6, SHR unstable to 
testing,Om2009, Qt Extended and aumid. Also, the application updates, 
events, new applications and so on. You can read the complete update 
from the link.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009

Regards,
Sushama


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Draft of 17th community update

2009-04-28 Thread sushama
Dear All,

The draft of 17th community update is available here: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009
Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. 
This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update 
will be released on April 30th.

Regards,
Sushama

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Re: Draft of 17th community update

2009-04-28 Thread Pander
sushama wrote:
 Dear All,
 
 The draft of 17th community update is available here: 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009
 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. 
 This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update 
 will be released on April 30th.

Something to add for the PyFlash notice: PyFlash 0.5 will have
flashcards for all katakana, hiragana and different groups of kanji,
with increasing in difficulty.

 
 Regards,
 Sushama
 
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Re: Draft of 17th community update

2009-04-28 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Hello,

Am Dienstag, 28. April 2009 schrieb sushama:
 The draft of 17th community update is available here: 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009
 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. 
 This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update 
 will be released on April 30th.

looking at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
the Latest News shows a link to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009
and the News in the Community box on the left point to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009
If there's some automatic update routine, it already missed to put the
16th(?) community update to the news section:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009?

Regards,
Martin

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Re: Draft of 17th community update

2009-04-28 Thread Johny Tenfinger
opimd now supports SQLite to store contacts (before there was only SIM and
CSV backends), and Messages domain is fixed (but now there is only SIM
backend). It still lacks support of editing and deleting items.

http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/pim.py - there is some test app.

In SHR mrmoku started GUI which uses opimd interface. It's
libframeworkd-phonegui-efl2 and can be installed from shr-unstable repo.

I think that should be mentioned, as opimd and its support is really
important :)
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Re: Draft of 17th community update

2009-04-28 Thread sushama
Martin Bernreuther wrote:
 Hello,

 Am Dienstag, 28. April 2009 schrieb sushama:
   
 The draft of 17th community update is available here: 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_30%2C_2009
 Please feel free to add/edit any information that I have missed out. 
 This update is for the period from April 18th to April 30th.The update 
 will be released on April 30th.
 

 looking at
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page
 the Latest News shows a link to
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009
 and the News in the Community box on the left point to
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009
 If there's some automatic update routine, it already missed to put the
 16th(?) community update to the news section:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009?

 Regards,
   Martin

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Hello,

Sorry about that.
I am just waiting to get the access to edit those pages. Will update 
these information as soon as I get that.
Thankyou.
Regards,
Sushama

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Re: 16th community update released

2009-04-23 Thread Marc Verwerft
Yep , me 2


On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Piotr Duda openm...@nemezis.eu wrote:

 [...]

 We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the
 GTA01 images?

 yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us.

 regards and best wishes.

 Piotr

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Re: 16th community update released

2009-04-23 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 10:21 +0200, Marc Verwerft wrote:
 Yep , me 2
 
 
 On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Piotr Duda openm...@nemezis.eu wrote:
 
  [...]
 
  We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the
  GTA01 images?
 
  yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us.
 
  regards and best wishes.

Now that I have a fully functional gta01 and battery I will be able to
start testing those images. I want to release gta01 iimage with the next
testing release. It may not be the same day as the gta02 image gets
releases but should be shortly after.

Angus


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Re: 16th community update released

2009-04-22 Thread Piotr Duda

[...]

 We will try to find out what people want. Anybody still downloading the 
 GTA01 images? 

yes, me. and there are others. do not forget about us.

regards and best wishes.

Piotr

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16th community update released

2009-04-17 Thread sushama
Dear All,

The 16th community update has been released. There has been lot more activity 
these weeks with the news of future release schedule and feature list of 
Om2009,Kernel milestone list for a stable kernel,new mailing list for GTA03 
ideas and much more. Read on.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009

I being fairly new to Openmoko, decided to take an interview of Wolfgang 
Spraul to post for the community update.This answered the questions I had on 
what work we would be doing post GTA03 suspension,where we are heading 
to,improvements and setbacks we as a company faced and more generally his 
views on open source.This helps me understand the process and company much 
more.I hope this interests some others too. Enjoy reading!

1) What is your background, for example your previous work?

Tons of software, from filesystem drivers (MacOpener) to mobile 
applications (Documents To Go). Was involved in total failures (TI 
Advantra), a .com business (3Box in Germany), and 12 years with DataViz 
in Connecticut where I learnt an unbelievable amount of good stuff! When 
you start working somewhere, make sure you can learn something, and 
there are people you can learn from. I was just lucky.
So I was coding pretty much every day of my life since I was 12 years 
old, for about 20 years until early 2007 when I took 6 months off to 
think about a new direction.

2) How did you get involved with Openmoko?

I was following OpenEZX, and one day Harald (whom I had never met in 
person at that time) emails me saying he got an invitation to go to 
Taiwan for some phone project. I was sitting in DataViz's Connecticut 
office and thought wow - where is Taiwan and how come they are doing 
Linux phones there?. This was before Openmoko was started, maybe early 
2006 or so.
 From then on it took quite some time, I had a lot of work to finish at 
DataViz, Harald introduced me to Sean whom I met for the first time at 
Paulaner in Shanghai in September 2006, for some good German beer and 
sausage :-) I finally joined full-time in August 2007 or so.

3) There is no shortage of recent fluctuation at Openmoko.  What 
improvements
or set backs have you seen since the project was initially launched?

Oh wow. Too many, a book should be written ;-)
Improvements were made mostly in Western software engineers 
understanding the Eastern hardware development environment and culture 
much better. So many people visited Taipei, we have a 4-bedroom 
apartment for visiting FOSS developers, we have shuffled so many people 
to SMT factories, our factory in Suzhou, etc.
Vice versa, the English skills in our Taipei office have improved a lot 
(we hired a teacher). By now we must have one of the best 
English-speaking teams in Taiwan or China...
Setbacks? It took us forever to get the buzz and other audio issues 
fixed, and until today we cannot really deliver it into the field. Distributors 
like Tuxbrain help us improve the situation, but we should have done better in 
the first place. 
Another one - although we realized 'lack of focus' and never-ending changes to 
GTA03 
early on, we were unable to stop it, until it was too late and the whole 
design was ruined.

4) What is your take on Android? 

Great stuff. Google knows what they are doing, they have some of the 
brightest and best people in the industry.
The challenge I see for them now is to demonstrate the cost savings that 
are typically associated with open source to their device manufacturing Hold 
Dena Bank with a target of Rs 43-50 and keep a stop loss of Rs 36, says Simi 
Bhaumik, technical analyst, on Zee Business. The stock is currently trading at 
Rs 40, up 9.1% on the BSE.   » Send to friends

partners. Right now I believe many OEMs are overwhelmed by the 
complexity of Android, and the furious pace at which it is developed. 
But over time Google will figure this out, and I believe Android will 
become a spectacular success. The first real 'network operating system' 
to me. Will show up in netbooks, notebooks, portable media players, digital 
picture frames, etc. 
And Google has a functioning business model behind it too, so the party 
can go on for a while. Lots of good open source software is written, 
maybe over time the community finds out how to extract and cut the best 
pieces into more modular libraries and packages.

5) There is a variety of opinions on what is 'open' these days. What is 
your
definition of an open device?

Most normal end users I talk to think that open means that a lot of 
interesting applications can easily be installed on a device. In that 
sense I believe that the Apple iPhone is leading the pack in 'openness' 
right now since they invest a ton of money and brains into their 
SDK/IDE, APIs, libraries, etc. And amazing applications come out of it.
A second, older definition is the classical 'open' as in 100% Free 
Software. Openmoko extended this even further by also releasing 
mechanical CAD files under a Creative

Re: 16th community update released

2009-04-17 Thread Yogiz
Thanks, great interview.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:30:34 +0800
sushama sush...@openmoko.com wrote:

 --snip--
 
 I being fairly new to Openmoko, decided to take an interview of
 Wolfgang Spraul to post for the community update.This answered the
 questions I had on what work we would be doing post GTA03
 suspension,where we are heading to,improvements and setbacks we as a
 company faced and more generally his views on open source.This helps
 me understand the process and company much more.I hope this interests
 some others too. Enjoy reading!

 --interview--

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Draft of 16th community update

2009-04-15 Thread sushama
Dear All,

The draft for the 16th community update can be found  here: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_17%2C_2009

If there is some information I have missed out, please feel free to add/edit 
to the page.This update is for the period from April 04th to April 17th.The 
update will be released on Friday, April 17th

Thanks and Regards,
Sushama

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Re: Draft of 16th community update

2009-04-15 Thread Ali
Has qtmoko, qtei, or latest and greatest made it on the community
updates yet? If not I can add a little blurb about each.


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15th Community Update Released

2009-04-03 Thread sushama
Hi All,

Thank you for the contributions. 
The 15th community update newsletter has been released and can be found here: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009

This update is for the period from March 20th - 03rd April 2009

As always we have more new applications,updates to some of the previous ones 
and more events that are happening.The last major event that happened was the 
Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose where Sean Moss-Pultz presented the 
FreeRunner mobile phone to designers and engineers.

There has also been quiet bit of news with the buzz fix and the talk that Sean 
gave at the Openexpo- the challenges Openmoko faced and the future of it. 
Gta03 being no more,what we can look for in the future and the recent 
developments within Openmoko. 

Thanks and Regards,
Sushama




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The draft of 15th community update

2009-04-01 Thread sushama
Dear All,

The draft for the 15th community update can be found here: 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/April_05%2C_2009

Please feel free to add/edit contents.I have not been able to gather much 
information about some distributions.If anyone could add some information 
regarding the same or anything else that I have missed out would be of great 
help. 

Thanks  and Regards,
Sushama



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Re: The draft of 15th community update

2009-04-01 Thread Paul Fertser
sushama sush...@openmoko.com writes:
 Please feel free to add/edit contents.I have not been able to gather much 
 information about some distributions.

No wonder, never seen you on an IRC channel where most FSO and SHR
devs gather and other important dev-related things happen.

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14th Community Update released

2009-03-20 Thread William Lai
Hello lists!


Welcome to the 14th community update, covering March 6th ~ 20th, 2009.

As always, there was no shortage of news in the past weeks. 
Distributions including Om2009, Android and Qt Extended Improved all 
received their share of updates.  The first Openmoko Programming 
Competition, hosted by Aapo Rantalainen and Risto H. Kurppa, was 
announced and the winner will now get a prize provided by the community, 
currently at 314€ and a leather case for Freerunner (39€)!  A week 
later, a second contest was announced by Rakshat Hooja, where the 
current  bounty stands at 125€.  Discussions continued on the subjects 
of cool chess games, browsers on the Neo, and of course, keyboards (we 
love our keyboards), and much more.

Be sure to check the newsletter available with links at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/March_20%2C_2009


Cheers,
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Re: Community update

2009-01-14 Thread Fielder George Dowding
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Christ van Willegen
cvwille...@gmail.com wrote:
 Minh,

 On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr 
 wrote:
 6. Tips and tricks

* Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme.

 I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me
 to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'.

 So, I did 'mv asutab /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked
 my default_profile file.

 Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for me?

 Thanks in advance!

 Christ van Willegen
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I have been very disappointed with the predictive input method. I have
no trouble using the terminal virtual keyboard with a plastic
stylus, the pointy top of a ball-point pen, or the point of a
sharpened wooden lead pencil. Note: I do have a protective cover over
the touch screen. I have been trying to figure out how to get the
choice to use the terminal virtual keyboard to no avail. The
instructions referred to above require a non-free (shareware) utility
to extract a file (rar archive???). Surely the FreeRunner can be kept
Free and Open.

Note to Christ van Wilegen: my default_profile contains one line:
E_PROFILE=-profile asu with a couple of line-feeds.

I do hope we can have this choice. Cheerio!
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Re: Community update

2009-01-14 Thread William Kenworthy
Try the links here - this list is from gentoo where its built from
source, plus there are freeware packages (I looked at the unrar link)
for most operating systems.

*  app-arch/rar
  Latest version available: 3.8.0
  Latest version installed: 3.8.0
  Size of downloaded files: 1,576 kB
  Homepage:http://www.rarsoft.com/
  Description: RAR compressor/uncompressor
  License: RAR

*  app-arch/unrar
  Latest version available: 3.8.5
  Latest version installed: 3.8.5
  Size of downloaded files: 132 kB
  Homepage:http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm
  Description: Uncompress rar files
  License: unRAR

*  app-arch/unrar-gpl
  Latest version available: 0.0.1_p20080417
  Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
  Size of downloaded files: 135 kB
  Homepage:http://home.gna.org/unrar/
  Description: Free rar unpacker
  License: GPL-2




On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 00:26 -0900, Fielder George Dowding wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Christ van Willegen
 cvwille...@gmail.com wrote:
  Minh,
 
  On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr 
  wrote:
  6. Tips and tricks
 
 * Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme.
 
  I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me
  to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'.
 
  So, I did 'mv asutab /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked
  my default_profile file.
 
  Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for 
  me?
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Christ van Willegen
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 I have been very disappointed with the predictive input method. I have
 no trouble using the terminal virtual keyboard with a plastic
 stylus, the pointy top of a ball-point pen, or the point of a
 sharpened wooden lead pencil. Note: I do have a protective cover over
 the touch screen. I have been trying to figure out how to get the
 choice to use the terminal virtual keyboard to no avail. The
 instructions referred to above require a non-free (shareware) utility
 to extract a file (rar archive???). Surely the FreeRunner can be kept
 Free and Open.
 
 Note to Christ van Wilegen: my default_profile contains one line:
 E_PROFILE=-profile asu with a couple of line-feeds.
 
 I do hope we can have this choice. Cheerio!
-- 
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au
Home in Perth!


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Re: Community update

2009-01-14 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Fielder George Dowding
fgdowd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apologies to Christ, that is two l's in Willegen.

I hadn't noticed, no offence taken, and my phone now boots with ASU
again. Thanks!

Christ van Willegen
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Re: Community update

2009-01-13 Thread Yorick Moko
thanks for the update Minh!
hadn't heard about Gwaterpas
it's been added to opkg now btw

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote:
 Hi!

 This is the nineth Community Updates, January 12th issue.

 For the new year we interviewed Sean on everything that matters for the
 community: sales in 2008 were around the low five digits, om-locations is
 what remains of an ambitious mesh network project, and the most surprising
 development to him was the explosion of distributions. Back on the mailing
 lists, activity was rater slow during the first week of the year, but got
 more intense than ever after the holidays. Illume's keyboard received lots of
 localisations. Opkg.org reached a critical mass of packages. SHR and FSO are
 counting down toward their next milestone, while coding continues for kernel,
 drivers, Android and the like. It looks like the switch to 2.6.28 is going to
 happen soonish, before the switch to the Paroli phone stack.

 The newsletter is also available with links at
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009

 Contents
* 1 Distributions
* 2 New applications
* 3 Ports and updates
* 4 Community
* 5 Hardware and drivers
* 6 Tips and tricks

 1. Distributions

* SHR: According to Julien's latest on the SHR project blog, the baby is
 expected really soon now.
* Marek announced the new organisation of package and images repositories.
* Android: The latest compatible kernel has wifi and bluetooth working
 now. Suspend and reboot are still broken.
* FSO MS5 should branch out for really soon now (the roadmap says release
 January 31st, but they want a longer stabilization period this time). It will
 be the first milestone that will have support not only for GTA01 and 02, but
 also for the Motorola EZX A780. meeting minutes.
* Hackable:1 buildbot is up and running. Images are generated every
 morning around 4:00. Happy testing !
* User:Bytestore has updated assemblage 2008.12 from Russian community,
 work with gprs, headphone jack plug, ru keyboard and many other things were
 updated (download rootfs, see screenshots)

 2. New applications

* LED clock When an Openmoko is sitting unused at night, turn it into an
 alarm clock with large 7-segment digits on a black background in landscape
 mode.
* GPRSsettings is a GUI script designed to change apn, login, dialnumber.
* Samuel's script for a toggle wifi icon.
* ylock 0.1 Python screen lock and low battery monits.
* AppManager 1.0.1 Zenity package manager.
* Mirko announced that pre-alpha Paroli was now packaged in testing.
 Development moved to their own domain: paroli-project hosts trac, git, blog
 and documentation.
* Kurt's Gwaterpas allows to use the Freerunner as a leveling tool.
* There are now 75 packages at opkg.org. Novelties include osmupdater
 (updates OSM maps directory), sortdesk (sorts the desk), MokoCard (flashcards
 learning aid), sms-sentry (query the unit's location by SMS, handy if it was
 just stolen), pyring (a key ring), EFpLayer (mplayer GUI), playstankontakarta
 (an icon displaying remaining credit with POLISH PLAY pre-paid phone
 provider), various illume keyboards and more. It was mentioned unofficially
 that Openmoko's community repository is going to be dismantled.

 3. Ports and updates

* Lots of Navit activity. Distributions are kindly suggested to package
 the sample map separately from the main binary to conserve space.
* The opkg package manager development moved from OM svn to Google code.
 The recommended stable version is r172, there is a significant data
 structures+algorithm refactorization going on.
* Version 2.4 of orrery is now available. It has a new schematic Solar
 System View page, showing the position of the planets and our moon in their
 orbits, a new moon calendar, and a less ugly icon.
* The ZOMG! package manager is now available on opkg.org, and now allows
 to add/remove/edit repositories (i.e. feeds).
* Angus updated BtGPS.py to work with FSO. With this script, the
 FreeRunner works as a bluetooth GPS.
* Marco shared his success in compiling the latest E17 svn on 2008.12.
 There was trouble on SHR with the Elementary widget set, tough.

 4. Community

* Sean's new year interview
* Rakshat Hooja's company IDA Systems will be at Mumbai's TechFest. There
 are gifts waiting for the first 10 FreeRunner owners to show up at their
 booth!
* The Future of location services thread started as an attempt to clarify
 the GPS drivers tangle, and then turned to using GSM celltowers and wifi
 access points location information. Dima signalled that there are several
 free databases of GSM tower locations, and that his gta02 Perl script to
 query OpenCellID for the approximate tower location, and then initialize the
 AGPS with this data works great. There is a database of Wifi access points at
 wigle.net.
* Two new mailing lists were 

Re: Community update

2009-01-13 Thread Christ van Willegen
Minh,

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Minh Ha Duong hadu...@centre-cired.fr wrote:
 6. Tips and tricks

* Howto get the wrench and QWERTY buttons in 2008.12 with the ASU theme.

I followed the instructions, but misread the second step. It told me
to 'put asu in /etc/enlightenment/default_profile'.

So, I did 'mv asutab /etc/enlightenment/default_profile' and borked
my default_profile file.

Could anyone put this file either on the mailing list, or on the Wiki for me?

Thanks in advance!

Christ van Willegen
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Community update

2009-01-12 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Hi! 

This is the nineth Community Updates, January 12th issue.

For the new year we interviewed Sean on everything that matters for the 
community: sales in 2008 were around the low five digits, om-locations is 
what remains of an ambitious mesh network project, and the most surprising 
development to him was the explosion of distributions. Back on the mailing 
lists, activity was rater slow during the first week of the year, but got 
more intense than ever after the holidays. Illume's keyboard received lots of 
localisations. Opkg.org reached a critical mass of packages. SHR and FSO are 
counting down toward their next milestone, while coding continues for kernel, 
drivers, Android and the like. It looks like the switch to 2.6.28 is going to 
happen soonish, before the switch to the Paroli phone stack.

The newsletter is also available with links at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009

Contents
* 1 Distributions
* 2 New applications
* 3 Ports and updates
* 4 Community
* 5 Hardware and drivers
* 6 Tips and tricks

1. Distributions

* SHR: According to Julien's latest on the SHR project blog, the baby is 
expected really soon now.
* Marek announced the new organisation of package and images repositories.
* Android: The latest compatible kernel has wifi and bluetooth working 
now. Suspend and reboot are still broken.
* FSO MS5 should branch out for really soon now (the roadmap says release 
January 31st, but they want a longer stabilization period this time). It will 
be the first milestone that will have support not only for GTA01 and 02, but 
also for the Motorola EZX A780. meeting minutes.
* Hackable:1 buildbot is up and running. Images are generated every 
morning around 4:00. Happy testing !
* User:Bytestore has updated assemblage 2008.12 from Russian community, 
work with gprs, headphone jack plug, ru keyboard and many other things were 
updated (download rootfs, see screenshots) 

2. New applications

* LED clock When an Openmoko is sitting unused at night, turn it into an 
alarm clock with large 7-segment digits on a black background in landscape 
mode.
* GPRSsettings is a GUI script designed to change apn, login, dialnumber.
* Samuel's script for a toggle wifi icon.
* ylock 0.1 Python screen lock and low battery monits.
* AppManager 1.0.1 Zenity package manager.
* Mirko announced that pre-alpha Paroli was now packaged in testing. 
Development moved to their own domain: paroli-project hosts trac, git, blog 
and documentation.
* Kurt's Gwaterpas allows to use the Freerunner as a leveling tool.
* There are now 75 packages at opkg.org. Novelties include osmupdater 
(updates OSM maps directory), sortdesk (sorts the desk), MokoCard (flashcards 
learning aid), sms-sentry (query the unit's location by SMS, handy if it was 
just stolen), pyring (a key ring), EFpLayer (mplayer GUI), playstankontakarta 
(an icon displaying remaining credit with POLISH PLAY pre-paid phone 
provider), various illume keyboards and more. It was mentioned unofficially 
that Openmoko's community repository is going to be dismantled. 

3. Ports and updates

* Lots of Navit activity. Distributions are kindly suggested to package 
the sample map separately from the main binary to conserve space.
* The opkg package manager development moved from OM svn to Google code. 
The recommended stable version is r172, there is a significant data 
structures+algorithm refactorization going on.
* Version 2.4 of orrery is now available. It has a new schematic Solar 
System View page, showing the position of the planets and our moon in their 
orbits, a new moon calendar, and a less ugly icon.
* The ZOMG! package manager is now available on opkg.org, and now allows 
to add/remove/edit repositories (i.e. feeds).
* Angus updated BtGPS.py to work with FSO. With this script, the 
FreeRunner works as a bluetooth GPS.
* Marco shared his success in compiling the latest E17 svn on 2008.12. 
There was trouble on SHR with the Elementary widget set, tough. 

4. Community

* Sean's new year interview
* Rakshat Hooja's company IDA Systems will be at Mumbai's TechFest. There 
are gifts waiting for the first 10 FreeRunner owners to show up at their 
booth!
* The Future of location services thread started as an attempt to clarify 
the GPS drivers tangle, and then turned to using GSM celltowers and wifi 
access points location information. Dima signalled that there are several 
free databases of GSM tower locations, and that his gta02 Perl script to 
query OpenCellID for the approximate tower location, and then initialize the 
AGPS with this data works great. There is a database of Wifi access points at 
wigle.net.
* Two new mailing lists were announced. One to discuss testing of all 
Openmoko Products. The other to discuss projects.openmoko.org administration. 
While we are at it, here are the number of 

Community update draft

2009-01-11 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Hi,

  The draft of next Community update is at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009
Everybody is welcome to check for falsehoods, inaccuracies or missing bits of 
informations.

Yours,
Minh
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Community update draft

2008-12-27 Thread haduong
Hello everybody,

  The DRAFT for next monday's community update is at:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th%2C_2008

This is a wiki page, everybody is welcome to fix or add as usual.
Thanks in advance for your eyetime,
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Community update draft

2008-12-13 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Dear peers,

The draft of our next Community update is available for review at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_15th%2C_2008

Cordially yours,
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Community update, Dec. 1st, 2008

2008-12-01 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Dear friends,

Good evening/day/afternoon (whatever your TZ is). This is our sixth community 
community update. Congratulations to Valério, he won the first 24h-coding 
prize at Sapo Codebits by turning freerunner in a mouse and gamepad using the 
accelerometers. Code will be merged with ReMoko. Another month goes by 
without a 2008.x release, but Openmoko's optimization team invites volunteers 
to install the latest testing image and report. And we have lots of newer 
applications.

Contents (read the hypertext version at :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_1st%2C_2008 )

* 1 Applications
* 2 Distributions
* 3 Hardware
* 4 Kernel and bootloaders
* 5 Community

[edit] Applications

* A new Pong game.
* Newrotate 0.5 is out, uses really little CPU now.
* Gtkaddpoi 0.5 : software to add a Point Of Interest to TangoGPS.
* neoqplayer 0.1 : codenamed frog. A media player that conserves CPU 
cycles.
* First release of TwitterMoko, a twitter client for openmoko.
* ShortOm 0.2 : an application/shell launcher.
* openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6 : support for fso frameworkd milestone 4.
* Unison works. It is a file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. It 
determines all differences between two directory trees and lets the user 
decide, how to proceed with every differing file.
* OpenMooCow 0.2. Mooes more, runs headless, tickleable.
* AaTerm, an improved openmoko-terminal2.
* Azmodie proposed a solution for right and middle clicking: Use the gnome 
accessibility tool mousetweaks (.deb).
* Auxlaunch 0.6, a finger-friendly app launcher and window switcher. 
Bugfixes/integration update. 

[edit] Distributions

* SHR: a newer snapshot is available.
* ASU: The official 2008.9 image is back online without the questionable 
audio codecs. This month's 2008.11 is not going to see the light, but here 
are instructions to install the current 2008.testing build. It has all the 
goodies from optimization team (read their progress report, previous 
reports), i.e. about 1 minute boot and Volume control during call... The bug 
count is decreasing in the latest testing report. See also the previous 
testing report hardware revision A7 with capacitor was declared good for mess 
production ;).
* For Android: Walter Chang made a soft keyboard. Rui Castro implemented 
an OnScreen Keyboard. It was immediately included in Sean's image, to be 
released at the usual page without mp3 support soon. Koolu posted an update 
on their release plans: they too are busy dealing with the audio codecs IP 
issue.
* Following a post on the French wiki, the Distribution page was updated 
by adding FIVE new distros: Hackable:1, NeoPwn, RunningBear, Poky and PyNeo. 

[edit] Hardware

* For an armband to hold the Freerunner while exercising, Gilles Casse 
recommends the UMC-3 from Case Logic.
* Patrick Beck grafted a light on a miniusb - connector, to make an 
OpenMoko flash light. More lumens the bright white screen one get with the 
Flashlight script.
* The official fix for buzzing is to add a 100uF capacity here and replace 
one resistor there. Technical details to be published in an Openmoko rework 
SOP paper. The company is looking at how to fix *all* devices sold.
* The Calypso GSM firmware moko10 was released, it fixes ticket 666 for 
those users with 3G SIM cards. A few Indiana Jones types did try and follow 
the wiki instructions to reflash, most with success, some with hubris (def: 
excessive pride). For the rest of us, a user-friendly installer is being 
prepared. 

[edit] Kernel and bootloaders

Big bad bug of the month prize goes to ticket 1841 white screen of death 
(WSOD) after resume. This bug shows itself only by cold weather! Nicolas 
Dufresne found out that the culprit was probably a too tight timing in the 
JBT driver. Hopefully this will be fixed soon now, and we can all switch to 
Linux 2.6.28 happily everafter. Developers must read Andy's explanations 
about kernel branch management.

* Preview upcoming changes to the /sys directory.
* Improvements to the touchscreen, backlight and accelerometer kernel 
drivers.
* Qi gets lots of GTA03 love, audio back and a memory test ability (called 
when there are no valid kernels).
* The opkg package manager was patched to cache downloaded files. 

[edit] Community

* Removed the tagcloud extension that messed up with page formatting.
* There are many links to nice Ringtones on the wiki, but the page and the 
whole topic need a good overhaul.
* GnuPhone here we come: Sten Kvamme explains how to make a call from the 
command line (on FSO).
* For your pleasure, here is the OpenMoko Jokes page. Thanks to the 
community, keep them coming ;) We (Coolcat and I) are also thinking about 
adding a pic of the week to the homepage, so stay tuned.
* Courtesy of Dale Maggee, here and here are a few funny splash screens. 
Note that you already trust Dale

Community update draft

2008-11-29 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Hi guys,

  As usual, the draft is at:  
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates
Please feel free to fix/update/add whatever, the newsletter should go on 
Monday if all goes well.

Yours,
Minh

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Community update

2008-11-17 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Openmoko Community Newsletter, for the 
November 3th to November 16th timespan. During these two weeks, we had FSO 
milestone IV and a testing SHR image released. Openmoko pulled the download 
server offline due to an mp3 copyright issue, they are rebuilding everything 
without any questionable codecs. Werner announced a firmware update for the 
GSM chip that will allow 3G chips compatibility. And there is movement again 
towards a better driver for the glamo graphic chip.

Contents
[hide]

* 1 Distributions
* 2 Applications
* 3 Infrastructure: X and OE
* 4 Kernel
* 5 Hardware

[edit] Distributions

FSO team released Milestone IV 'Homework', see the OpenmokoFramework/Status 
Update 5. To accomodate the forthcoming release of other FSO API consumers 
like paroli or the SHR phone stack, three FSO-compliant images are build and 
released now:

   1. fso-console-image: minimal system with frameworkd, no user interface 
manager.
   2. fso-illume-image: everything in console-image plus X-Window, plus 
Enlightenment plus Illume window manager.
   3. fso-image: everything in illume-image plus Zhone. Can be used for phone 
calls. Like previous milestones. But Zhone is going to be faded out. 

Debian: Joachim announced that the preferred installer script is now the one 
in the git. The old URL does redirect to it. Thanks mostly to Luca “Gismo” 
Capello’s great work, recent improvements include:

   1. The use of the general auto-login script “nodm” instead of 
zhone-session. Session configuration can now be done by 
modifying /root/.xsession.
   2. Device independent frameworkd and accompanying configuration packages. 
If apt-get upgrade breaks your FreeRunner, try to run apt-get install 
fso-config-gta02.
   3. openmoko-panel-plugin installed by default (running in trayer), to 
provide keyboard toggle and device control.
   4. The use of the packaged kernel instead of wget/tar. To get this going, 
run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 

SHR is getting closer to a first milestone release. According to BillK and 
others who kindly tested the latest version, the ergonomy feels generally 
better than other distros. But its early days yet, if you need a phone use 
2008.9. Julien Cassignol invites the braves out here to install a preview 
SHR-testing (wiki help) and join the Internet Relay Chat on #openmoko-cdevel 
on FreeNode.

FDOM is considering wether to move to OpenEmbeded, as this would solve the 
source redistribution issue nicely.

On November 12th, http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ were taken offline 
due to the discovery of an MP3 licensing issue. Openmoko collaborates with 
the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on this kind of issues.
[edit] Applications

Aapo compiled a newer version of Numptyphysics package on Debian, which can be 
played landscaped, without keyboard and it uses same datafiles than any other 
numptyphysics-port is at: http://www.opkg.org/package_3.html.

Signal Applications To Any (Audio) Network, or, ehm, SATAN, was born... This 
is a tracker to create simple music, or just jam on the train, bus or café.

Debian users rejoice: openmoko-panel-plugin reaches 0.5. Show and modify you 
the state of the hardware in you FreeRunner(i.e. gsm, gps ...) with any gtk 
based windowmanager (i.e. xfce). (thread, download).

Centerim, a terminal-based instant messager, ported on the freerunner 
(package, port page)

In the wiki, the Applications and Distributions pages were revised. We are 
having trouble with an engine extention that eats up whitespace, the 
workaround is to wrap pre formatted text in pre tags. The thematic List of 
X applications pages are going away, we want to keep just one big directory 
style application linkfarm. The idea is that presenting applications in 
organized ways is better done by http://opkg.org . This directory already has 
45 entries, please register and go populate it.
[edit] Infrastructure: X and OE

Reports from the optimization team have been landing weekly. They include 
patches to fix ticket 1884 ([suspend/resume] if press power batton right 
after suspend, the device won't wake up) and patches to improve the network 
registering time. The openmoko-mediaplayer2: dependency on pulseaudio was 
removed to use alsa instead. And various utilities should appear shortly in 
the distributions, including telnet, wget, tcptraceroute, wmiconfig, a bunch 
of X system fonts and more.

The lack of GLamo OpenGL is still a major dark hole on the FreeRunner's phone 
liberation front. Hacker culture factoid: did you know that as a software 
project X is older and about as large as the kernel with a penguin on it, but 
has an order of magnitude less contributors to it ?

Wolfgang from Openmoko wrote: If someone wants to seriously develop for the 
glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to 
extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few 

Re: Next community update

2008-11-16 Thread Yorick Moko
I would really like to see Wolfgangs call to the the community
included; where he states that openmoko is searching for competent
community dev's to start working on the glamo

as stated on 
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-November/035768.html
 :

Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo,
please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to
extend the smedia documentation to you.
In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not
sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very
little ;-)
So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge.

Best Regards,
Wolfgang


yorick


On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi everybody,

  Here is the draft for the next Community Update:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates
 To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an important
 information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified, have
 a day.

 Yours,
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 CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le
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Next community update

2008-11-15 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Hi everybody,

  Here is the draft for the next Community Update:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates
To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an important 
information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified, have 
a day.

Yours,
Minh
-- 
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CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le 
Développement
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Re: Next community update

2008-11-15 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:21:38 +0100, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hi everybody,
 
   Here is the draft for the next Community Update:
   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates
 To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an
 important 
 information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified,
 have 
 a day.
 
 Yours,
 Minh


Under 'Hardware' where you discuss the GSM update you state:

The goal is to fix ticket 666 and introduce a new command AT+CSIM. Than
means 3G. There will be a self-contained update image that can be copied to
a uSD card, then boots from there, and has a simple GUI to kick off the
upgrade.

3G??? Where did that come from??  The hardware doesn't support EDGE, let
alone 3G...

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Re: Next community update

2008-11-15 Thread Flyin_bbb8


 Under 'Hardware' where you discuss the GSM update you state:

 The goal is to fix ticket 666 and introduce a new command AT+CSIM. Than
 means 3G. There will be a self-contained update image that can be copied to
 a uSD card, then boots from there, and has a simple GUI to kick off the
 upgrade.

 3G??? Where did that come from??  The hardware doesn't support EDGE, let
 alone 3G...

i think he meant for the 3G SIM cards to work...
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Community update, october 3rd 2008

2008-10-06 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Contents

* 1 Distributions
* 2 Applications
* 3 Hardware
* 4 Wiki and community
* 5 From the stars
* 6 Outside Openmoko

[edit] Distributions

* The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the 
dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were 
already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the 
stable feeds do not update 
almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything 
everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get 
the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs 
either.
* Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we 
will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!
* FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks 
Beartech for the interim hosting.
* A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration 
testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear 
to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you.
* FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code 
repository, and a mission. 

[edit] Applications

* Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started.
* Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based 
plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) 
to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable 
or disable the state of your gps receiver.
* Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice 
over IP, work fine for him.
* A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully. 

[edit] Hardware

* Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the 
Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp 
of current.)
* Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other 
formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP)
* Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build 
something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough. 

[edit] Wiki and community

* The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels 
scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to 
clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not 
many small pos. Divide-and-conquer.
* We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master 
directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages.
* Coming soon: Use google search, Add page in this category, Site 
directory extensions.
* Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with 
us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1 
to 4 images. Keep them coming !
* We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community 
list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the 
Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the 
release process.
* Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a 
submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543) 

[edit] From the stars

* There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion 
about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging 
strategies led to some module mismatch issues.
* There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on 
the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi 
driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full 
of bugs.
* The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as 
long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in 
the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on 
the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros.
* Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed.
* The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all 
their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job. 

[edit] Outside Openmoko

* The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android, 
nothing was said about an Openmoko port.
* Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console. 
Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009. 

==

Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last 
issue, this page can be fixed at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008 

And interesting events can be posted real-time at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates

Yours,
Minh

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Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008

2008-10-06 Thread Michele Renda
Thank you for this update. It is very nice to have a summary to get an
idea about what new there is on OM World.

Thank you
Michele Renda

2008/10/6 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Contents

* 1 Distributions
* 2 Applications
* 3 Hardware
* 4 Wiki and community
* 5 From the stars
* 6 Outside Openmoko

 [edit] Distributions

* The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the
 dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were
 already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the
 stable feeds do not update
 almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything
 everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get
 the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs
 either.
* Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we
 will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!
* FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks
 Beartech for the interim hosting.
* A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration
 testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear
 to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you.
* FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code
 repository, and a mission.

 [edit] Applications

* Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started.
* Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based
 plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps)
 to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable
 or disable the state of your gps receiver.
* Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice
 over IP, work fine for him.
* A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully.

 [edit] Hardware

* Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the
 Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp
 of current.)
* Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other
 formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP)
* Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build
 something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough.

 [edit] Wiki and community

* The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels
 scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to
 clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not
 many small pos. Divide-and-conquer.
* We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master
 directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages.
* Coming soon: Use google search, Add page in this category, Site
 directory extensions.
* Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with
 us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1
 to 4 images. Keep them coming !
* We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community
 list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the
 Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the
 release process.
* Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a
 submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543)

 [edit] From the stars

* There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion
 about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging
 strategies led to some module mismatch issues.
* There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on
 the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi
 driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full
 of bugs.
* The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as
 long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in
 the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on
 the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros.
* Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed.
* The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all
 their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job.

 [edit] Outside Openmoko

* The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android,
 nothing was said about an Openmoko port.
* Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console.
 Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009.

 ==

 Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last
 issue, this page can be fixed at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008

 And interesting events can be posted real-time at:
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates

 Yours,
 Minh

 

Re: Community update, october 3rd 2008

2008-10-06 Thread Lorn Potter
Minh Ha Duong wrote:

 * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we 
 will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages!

Qt Extended only refers to versions 4.4.1 and above. Any reference to 
Qtopia 4.3.x should remain the same.

:)


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Re: community written community update

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Maggee
Minh Ha Duong wrote:
 Hi all,

 We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to 
 tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written 
 community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch

 The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following 
 editorial guidelines:
 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since 
 launch.
 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. 

 Yours truly.

 Minh, Volunteer wiki editor
 (Curious and impatient to see if it works.)
   
Minh,

While I think that the page itself it good, I think that including a 
date in the page title is probably not a good Idea. Perhaps either a 
series of pages Activity in month Year, or just one monolithic 
page Activity Since Launch would be a better way to go. For example, 
I've just announced NeoTool v1.1, but I did this on the 17th, which to 
me seems to make it inappropriate to add to a page titled 15th Sep 08...

-Dale

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Re: community written community update

2008-09-17 Thread Daniel Hedblom
This page looks very nice, i love it. Its very handy to be able to see
whats happening at a glance.


Thanks!


2008/9/15 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi all,

 We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to
 tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written
 community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at:

 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch

 The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following
 editorial guidelines:
 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since
 launch.
 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link.

 Yours truly.

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community written community update

2008-09-15 Thread Minh Ha Duong
Hi all,

We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to 
tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written 
community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch

The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following 
editorial guidelines:
1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since 
launch.
2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. 

Yours truly.

Minh, Volunteer wiki editor
(Curious and impatient to see if it works.)

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Re: community written community update

2008-09-15 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to
 tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written
 community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at:

Great, cool to see that the community is given respect this way! And
Minh, don't be too disappointed if it doesn't work.. It can take a
long time and careful guidance to build a community that actually
starts supporting itself..

I had a look at the site, it's great to see that you've already added
that much stuff there. I too hope that the community - either the
people who have done something or the rest who have been enjoying the
work of others add the news there - and please, if possible, try to
add a link pointing to a page where people can get more information
about it. What FDOM, where's the patch for thisandthis bug and so on.

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Re: Community Update???

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Shiloh



Justyn Butler wrote:

2008/4/29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than
on writing here...


Michael Shiloh is the community manager - he keeps the community
updated so the devs don't have to take time off from developing to do
it.



Unfortunately I still depend on the devs telling me what they are up to, 
which I find is pretty hard these days, as they are all so busy. Steve 
has a slightly easier time getting the info from the factory guys, which 
is why he has been doing the updates lately.


Michael

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Re: Community Update???

2008-04-30 Thread Justyn Butler
2008/4/29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than
 on writing here...

Michael Shiloh is the community manager - he keeps the community
updated so the devs don't have to take time off from developing to do
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Community Update???

2008-04-29 Thread Andreas Hennig
Hello Steve, Michael,

since the last official community update was a few week ago i just have a 
short question about the status of freerunner.
As i understood Steves last Update the PVTs are done and MP is ongoing.
OM is just wating for a shipable SW.
Did i get thar right?

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Re: Community Update???

2008-04-29 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

Andreas Hennig wrote:

since the last official community update was a few week ago


Months? :o :|

Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, 
than on writing here...

BTW I'd like to read some twitter-form status-mails from them :)

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Re: Community Update???

2008-04-29 Thread ramsesoriginal
Whi not have an official openmoko twitter stream?

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andreas Hennig wrote:

  since the last official community update was a few week ago
 

  Months? :o :|

  Anyway I do prefer they're working on shipping the Frerunners to us, than
 on writing here...
  BTW I'd like to read some twitter-form status-mails from them :)

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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-26 Thread wim . delvaux
Do not forget shipping costs and problems with repair etc. If you have to keep 
sending devices back and forth to foreign EU countries.

AFAIK, these are much more expensive than in the US.

CU
W

On Monday 25 February 2008 22:48:08 David Pottage wrote:
 On Monday 25 February 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote:
  Ivo Anjo wrote:
3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA,
   we will open the web store and begin taking orders.
  
   Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from
   inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be
   great!
 
  Hi Ivo,
 
  That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set
  up distributors in as many places as possible.
 
  The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU,
  that should work for you, right?

 It would work, but the rate of sales tax is fairly high in Germany. Under
 EU rules, Europeans can buy stuff from anywhere in the EU, and pay the
 sales tax rate prevalent in the country where the shop operates instead of
 the rate in their home country.

 If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate
 such as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10%
 compared with buying from a German web shop.

 Having said that, it is not a huge cost, and having a web shop any where in
 Europe is a great improvement over importing from the Far East.



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Re[2]: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-26 Thread Thomas Christensen
Hello Gabriel,

 If I'm not totally mistaken, inside the EU sales to private consumers are
 taxed at the tax-rate of the seller's location.

It's a little more complicated than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#European_Union

Businesses can be required to register for VAT in EU member states,
other than the one in which they are based, if they supply goods via
mail order to those states, over a certain threshold.

Amazon.co.uk, will charge me 25% Danish VAT, but momandpop.de
charges me 21% German VAT, as they don't ship much to Denmark (they
don't need to register in denmark, as they are small).

I can't remember what a certain threshold is, but I think it's
around 30.000€...

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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-26 Thread Nils Faerber
Marc Verwerft schrieb:
 Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21
 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ...

It is 19% in Germany since 2007 ;(

 A lot of people are just crossing the border to Aachen/Koln to find
 'cheaper' computer hardware (pc, pda, phone, digital camera's, ...)

If all works out well you will be able to buy the devices from germany
then, either from us or others who offer them. If you have a valid
European VAT ID you can even buy without VAT.

 Is there any other sales tax you are referring to then?

Well, there is of course customs that will add on the sales price - the
customs due from Taiwan into the EU of course, there is none within the EU.
The only major issue I still have is EAR (German term but also valid
for other European countries as far as I know), i.e. the electronic
waste regulation. For Germany it means that I as a reseller have to
register (which is expensive!) at a piblic service center, tell them how
many kilograms of electronic waste I am going to bring into public
circulation (i.e. sell) and will then have to pay the waste dump cost
for this. Since the Neo is not that heavy it should not be that much but
the whole process is redicously complicated (and you have to deposit the
expected cost at the *beginning* of the year!). This process is valid
for all electronic devices you see nowadays with the crossed out
dust-bin symbol on them.
So this will also add to the sales price.


 Regards,
 Marc
Cheers
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-26 Thread Nils Faerber
Tilman Baumann schrieb:
 Marc Verwerft wrote:
 Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21
 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ...
 
 16% Not anymore... :(
 
 But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries
 and tax where they buyer lives.
 Don't ask me how, but i think there is something like that.

That is not that easy.
The other party has to have a valid EU VAT ID which usually only
businesses have. If you sell to private people without VAT you will get
into trouble with your own VAT declaration.
This was once possible before the EU VAT ID was implemented but also
caused a lot of trouble - since it reqiured that the customers then has
to VAT tax it in his country afterwards.
What is usually done for private customers is that the invoice will
state that the place of change of ownership (formal: place of change
of risk) is the originating country. Everything after that is the
responsibility of the customer.

Cheers
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-26 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hi Duvelle,

We should shortly have a list of worldwide distributors on our website, 
along with instructions for how to apply to become one.


Michael

Duvelle Jones wrote:

I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being
in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the
FreeRunner in Canada.
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 10:56 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:

Hello,

A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official 
word from our VP of Marketing:


Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements:

1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will 
announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the 
expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open.


2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that.

3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we 
will open the web store and begin taking orders.



We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past 
there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. 
We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did 
the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary.


As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not 
instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out 
manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs 
will occur before the official production run, so that when we make 
announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability 
to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets.


Regards,
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-26 Thread ewanm89
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:08:26 + (UTC)
Tony SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett
  richard.bennett at
 skynet.be wrote:
   On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales
   tax rate such
   as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around
   10% compared
   with buying from a German web shop.
   
   Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium
   it is 21%.
   
  
  Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in
  sueden or
 denmark :) (25% !)
  
  Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :)
  
   
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 In Spain we have 16% VAT...
 
 (and I thought we had a huge VAT, but by the comments, we're so
 cheap!)
 
 Regards
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Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hello,

A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official 
word from our VP of Marketing:


Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements:

1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will 
announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the 
expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open.


2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that.

3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we 
will open the web store and begin taking orders.



We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past 
there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. 
We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did 
the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary.


As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not 
instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out 
manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs 
will occur before the official production run, so that when we make 
announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability 
to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets.


Regards,
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Ivo Anjo
  3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we
  will open the web store and begin taking orders.

Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from
inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be
great!

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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Michael Shiloh



Ivo Anjo wrote:

 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we
 will open the web store and begin taking orders.


Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from
inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be
great!



Hi Ivo,

That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set 
up distributors in as many places as possible.


The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU, 
that should work for you, right?


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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Ivo Anjo
  Hi Ivo,

  That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set
  up distributors in as many places as possible.

  The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU,
  that should work for you, right?

Yeah, there are no extra taxes on trades inside the EU, and since
Germany belongs to the EU, it should work great. Looking forward to it
:)

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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread David Pottage
On Monday 25 February 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Ivo Anjo wrote:
   3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we
   will open the web store and begin taking orders.
 
  Does this mean that it will be possible to purchase openmoko from
  inside the EU, so there are no random customs taxes? That would be
  great!

 Hi Ivo,

 That is certainly our intention, which is why we have been trying to set
 up distributors in as many places as possible.

 The only one I know of so far is in Germany. Since that's in the EU,
 that should work for you, right?

It would work, but the rate of sales tax is fairly high in Germany. Under EU 
rules, Europeans can buy stuff from anywhere in the EU, and pay the sales tax 
rate prevalent in the country where the shop operates instead of the rate in 
their home country.

If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such 
as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared 
with buying from a German web shop.

Having said that, it is not a huge cost, and having a web shop any where in 
Europe is a great improvement over importing from the Far East.

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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Richard Bennett
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate  
such
as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10%  
compared

with buying from a German web shop.


Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%.


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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Ricky Fitz
On Mo, 2008-02-25 at 23:06 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote:
 Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21
 % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ...

Just to kill your illusion - it is 19 % in germany since the beginning
of 2007... ;-)

Regards,
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Tilman Baumann

Marc Verwerft wrote:

Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21
% as opposed to Germany's 16 % ...


16% Not anymore... :(

But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries 
and tax where they buyer lives.

Don't ask me how, but i think there is something like that.

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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate
 such
 as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10%
 compared
 with buying from a German web shop.
 
 Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%.
 

Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or 
denmark :) (25% !)

Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :)


 
 Richard.
 
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Tony SR
Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:14:11 +0100, Richard Bennett richard.bennett at
skynet.be wrote:
  On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:48:08 +0100, David Pottage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate
  such
  as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10%
  compared
  with buying from a German web shop.
  
  Don't you mean Luxemburg? They have 15% tax I think, in Belgium it is 21%.
  
 
 Luxembourg could be great :) or spain too... but please ! not in sueden or
denmark :) (25% !)
 
 Anyone here who lives in Lux ? :)
 
  
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Hello everyone, 
In Spain we have 16% VAT...

(and I thought we had a huge VAT, but by the comments, we're so cheap!)

Regards
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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)

David Pottage ha scritto:
If FIC setup a web shop in a European country with a low sales tax rate such 
as Belgum, Europeans buying Freerunner phones could save around 10% compared 
with buying from a German web shop.


In Italy it's 20%, not the best, but reading I discover that it isn't 
neither the wrost! :)


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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Duvelle Jones
I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being
in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the
FreeRunner in Canada.
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 10:56 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Hello,
 
 A number of times you have asked about pre-orders. Here is the official 
 word from our VP of Marketing:
 
 Over the next couple of months you will see the following 3 announcements:
 
 1. When the production hardware is solid and signed off, we will 
 announce pricing and availability. That is, we will announce the 
 expected price and the expected date on which the web store will open.
 
 2. When the first production run is complete, we will announce that.
 
 3. When the phones reach the distribution centers in Europe and USA, we 
 will open the web store and begin taking orders.
 
 
 We are actively looking at pre-orders, but as discussed in the past 
 there are a number of very difficult complications in taking pre-orders. 
 We think the best solution is to build 10 times as many phones as we did 
 the last time, so that pre-orders will not be necessary.
 
 As many of you know, ramping up a factory for production is not 
 instantaneous. We plan to do a number of pre-production runs to iron out 
 manufacturing issues and to assure high yield. These pre-production runs 
 will occur before the official production run, so that when we make 
 announcements 2 and 3 above we will be highly confident in our ability 
 to manufacture and deliver a very large number of handsets.
 
 Regards,
 Michael
 
 


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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Antoine Reid
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Duvelle Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I am a little curious to the channels that you do have access to. Being
 in canada, I am also curious as to if you plan to distribute the
 FreeRunner in Canada.


+1 for Canada!

We can order from the USA and the shipping costs are usually not too large,
but we end up paying a lot on insurance and broker/custom fees.  It's a
little better now that the Canadian dollar is pretty much on par with the US
dollar but still.. Having a distributor in Canada would be very nice!


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Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

2008-02-25 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 25 February 2008 23:48:14 Tilman Baumann wrote:
  Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21
  % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ...

 16% Not anymore... :(

 But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries
 and tax where they buyer lives.


If I'm not totally mistaken, inside the EU sales to private consumers are 
taxed at the tax-rate of the seller's location.


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Re: topic for next community update [was Community Update Wed Feb 13 2008]

2008-02-15 Thread Jay Vaughan

For apps, personally (ie, this is just my opinion) I think its fine if
we target providing solid very minmal apps initially, again we can  
point
at the memory on the device (it is stacked with memory), the  
standard X

and libs provided, and its upgradability with package granularity to
convincingly (well it convinces me :-)) say more apps are coming.





It convinces me too, and I'm participating in OpenMoko solely for the  
reason that I want to push out some end-user apps, developed new and  
fresh, for the platform.  When it becomes more widely available, that  
is, I will be quite happy targetting it as a major platform for my  
music apps .. as it stands right now, its very rewarding to be doing  
daily builds that can run on both EEE PC and OpenMoko with very  
little fuss, and it sure is going to be interesting keeping this  
party going for the next few months ..



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Re: topic for next community update [was Community Update Wed Feb 13 2008]

2008-02-14 Thread Steven **
It's always been option i.  Hence the release of GTA01.  Many apps on
that are still not polished.

It'll be many months after the release of the Freerunner before the
phones are ready for basic end users.

-Steven

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:10 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  2) What is OpenMoko's plan to release FreeRunner
  i) release when hardware and kernel are solid and before application 
 software is
  polished.   Community helps to polish software prior to full launch to basic
  end users
  ii) release when both hardware and software are polished.  Will take a little
  longer but will impress journalists more...

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Community Update Wed Feb 13 2008

2008-02-13 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hi everyone,

This is actually a recap of last week in the engineering department. I 
was away at SCALE and am busy catching up.



We received our first batch of 10 fully assembled GTA02 A5 boards. There 
are still some issues with the manufacturing test software that needs to 
be fixed before we start manufacturing.


John got some Processing apps to run on the phone. Performance could be 
improved with a good Java JIT and better glamo OpenGL support.


Wolfgang started the wiki page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Prototypes 
to track hardware issues with any non-release hardware we are using 
internally or sending to people. You can track some progress here.


Allen found a GSM power leak in suspend mode. Matt and Allen are working 
to get this resolved.


Graeme got Qtopia to build via OE, and was able to make phone calls on a 
GTA01 using Qtopia.


The bottom line for A5 is that while we have not found a proven A5 
hardware bug yet, we ran into a number of uncertainties. Our highest 
priorities now are to


 1. prove that suspend/resume and charging works
 2. prove that we can fix hardware quality issues (broken bluetooth,
GPS, receiver)
 3. improve production testing software (microSD, suspend/resume)

We have added a full-time wiki editor. She has been publishing technical 
books for many years, and we look forward to improved organizing and 
appearance of all the great content on the wiki.



That's all for now.

Regards,
Michael

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Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008

2008-01-25 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hi Nils,

Sadly, no update on either of those.

We're still awaiting positive confirmation from TI for the GSM update, 
and power management has been prioritized lower than getting GTA02 out 
of the door.


We do hear very clearly that power management is an extremely high 
concern, and will address it accordingly.


Michael

Nils Faerber wrote:

What about the status of open issues like:
- in the field firmware update for GSM on GTA01 V3 and V4?
- standby power management of GSM in new GSM firmware?

Cheers
  nils

Michael Shiloh schrieb:

A brief update:

1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent
discussion on the kernel list, e.g.:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html


I believe no hardware flaws have been found yet, but there is still much
to inspect.

As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will
start shipping GTA02.


2. We've made available the CAD files for the GTA01 case. We're still
learning how best to deal with making available to FOSS users files
originally in ProE format. We now have available IGES and STEP formats
as well. I will continue to work on ways to make this available in a
useful fashion with as little loss of information as possible.

http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/

Sincerely,
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Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008

2008-01-25 Thread Nils Faerber
What about the status of open issues like:
- in the field firmware update for GSM on GTA01 V3 and V4?
- standby power management of GSM in new GSM firmware?

Cheers
  nils

Michael Shiloh schrieb:
 A brief update:
 
 1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent
 discussion on the kernel list, e.g.:
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html
 
 
 I believe no hardware flaws have been found yet, but there is still much
 to inspect.
 
 As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will
 start shipping GTA02.
 
 
 2. We've made available the CAD files for the GTA01 case. We're still
 learning how best to deal with making available to FOSS users files
 originally in ProE format. We now have available IGES and STEP formats
 as well. I will continue to work on ways to make this available in a
 useful fashion with as little loss of information as possible.
 
 http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/
 
 Sincerely,
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Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008

2008-01-24 Thread Michael Shiloh

A brief update:

1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent 
discussion on the kernel list, e.g.:


http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html

I believe no hardware flaws have been found yet, but there is still much 
to inspect.


As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will 
start shipping GTA02.



2. We've made available the CAD files for the GTA01 case. We're still 
learning how best to deal with making available to FOSS users files 
originally in ProE format. We now have available IGES and STEP formats 
as well. I will continue to work on ways to make this available in a 
useful fashion with as little loss of information as possible.


http://downloads.openmoko.org/CAD/

Sincerely,
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Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008

2008-01-24 Thread Pratul Kalia
 As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will
 start shipping GTA02.

Waiting, waiting, sincerely... :)

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Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008

2008-01-24 Thread Michael Shiloh

Thanks for your patience and continued support!

Pratul Kalia wrote:

As usual, we will not predict how long this will take, nor when we will
start shipping GTA02.


Waiting, waiting, sincerely... :)

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Re: Brief Community Update, January 24, 2008

2008-01-24 Thread Steven Le Roux


On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:19:48 -0800, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 A brief update:
 
 1. Evaluation of GTA02A5 is taking place. There is some excellent
 discussion on the kernel list, e.g.:
 
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000606.html
 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-January/000538.html
 

Really good news there !

Thx Michael

 
 Sincerely,
 Michael
 

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ken Smith
On Jan 11, 2008 12:21 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Lon,

 Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and
 apparently even more have appeared:

 http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on
 http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2

I couldn't help noticing that the takezero.net post reads like it was
produced using Markov Chains.  Forgive my naivete if this is an inside
joke of some kind.  I was surprised to see at least one expletive in
the post.  Perhaps it's a case of digital graffiti?

   Ken Smith

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE

 I've added a link to these at
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more,
 please add them here.

 Michael


 Lon Lentz wrote:
 
Michael,
 
Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this?
 
 
  On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  A brief status report from OpenMoko:
 
  Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas
  
 
  We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02).
  Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we
  had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most
  of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless,
  interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts
  came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew
  about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their
  hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls,
  Maddog), which is always very thrilling.
 
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Jan 12, 2008 7:42 AM, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last
 time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo


In my experience it is like this: Nokia phones needs to be rebooted every
week. This has been true for all Nokia phones I have used, and is also true
for the Nokia E61 I'm currently using. If not rebooted, some functions of
the phone will fail. For the E61, it suddenly starts to say disk full when
I try to sync email onto it. After a reboot it is fine again.
I have only used a few Sony-Ericsson phones, but they tend to only need
reboot every two weeks. My latest experience was the K710, it did all sorts
of funny things if it was not rebooted. Like - the alarm didn't work, -
outgoing calls failed, - ringing didn't work and so on.

IMO, rebooting a phone shouldn't be necessary during normal use.
I am hoping that any phone running OpenMoko will be much, much better in
this area..


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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread kenneth marken
On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote:
 On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote:
I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article.
  A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the
  repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.

 I thought that was weird.   The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts!


imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops 
looping and wonder why it does not...

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread kenneth marken
On Friday 11 January 2008 23:20:51 Lon Lentz wrote:

   I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the
 iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The
 iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by
 shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong.


while a interesting read, i get a feel that apple is just uncle jobs and 
some faceless engineers doing the dirty work after he have done all the 
planing...

hoovers g-men anyone?

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Zitune
On Jan 12, 2008 3:12 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never
 stops
 looping and wonder why it does not...


For sure, but it seem importqnt to be able to hide  the boot scroll for mass
market.
Not all people are open to the beauty of a boot scrolling :)


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Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Ted Lemon wrote:
 On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote:
   I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article.  
 A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the  
 repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.

 I thought that was weird.   The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts!

Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's
scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may
come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/

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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello,

On Jan 12, 2008 5:34 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course,
 it's
 scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may
 come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/


Easy to fix - leave it (boot scroll) as an option that can be turned on by
the user, preferably in a geeky way involving shell and the virtual
keyboard. :-)
And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-)
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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ted Lemon

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:

And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-)


And it can't run down the batteries...

:')


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Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-12 Thread Ted Lemon

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:

Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/


Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences!   :')

Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose  
startup could become reassuring rather than alarming.   The reason  
it's alarming is mostly that it just sits there saying nothing  
intelligible to the end-user.   If it said things like probing for  
Atheros ethernet device...   found. or configuring network... then  
the end user might be less alarmed.   If you don't know any better  
though I think it looks too much like a Windows crash, to which old- 
timers are too painfully accustomed.



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Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller


Am 10.01.2008 um 22:20 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
We're still testing the hardware and gathering up little issues  
before determining whether we need to create another version of the  
board. We still expect to start shipping Neo FreeRunner sometime in  
the next few months. As always, we can't be more specific, because  
we're not sure.


That's all for now. As always, I welcome your feedback, questions,  
comments, and concerns.


Michael,
many thanks for this update.

One nitpicking question is about interpreting the word next few  
months: does it mean something between 3 and 7 months from now? I.e.  
April to July?
Or does it mean a version shipping with final software to end-users  
but developers can get it earlier?


And, if it is the developer device that comes in the next few months  
- how long is the GTA01 device still available (despite all its known  
problems), since some projects can't wait and need a development and  
test platform and prototype/demonstrator units...


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Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh



Joseph Reeves wrote:

Hi Michael,


Hi Joseph,




Going back to your previous email first:


Fortunately we have a watchful community to catch our mistakes as

quickly as possible! Please continue to let me know if we make such
mistakes in the future.

Please understand that I wasn't trying to suggest any mistakes had
been made, 


No worries. I didn't think you had, but I did use the opportunity that 
you brought it up to explain our policy.





I was just after a little clarification. Really I was

hoping that you'd give us some secret extra details ;-)


Nice try!




Your goal of keeping the project running on non
region/religion/cultural time lines is a laudable one, but I'm so
eagerly looking forward to the FreeRunner release that I wanted to
know more!


We appreciate your enthusiasm.




My employer is looking to eventually purchase a couple of hundred
FreeRunners, and we're all itching to buy a smaller batch for test
purposes. We're not so interested in all the features, and aren't
worried if we're not going to be buying a consumer ready phone
platform; we want to build a tool, and the FreeRunner looks like the
best base for it.


Sounds like a perfect match. We look forward to seeing what you build.




Having said that, I need to write a paper for an upcoming conference
during which I'll be making just that point.

All the best,

Joseph


Best wishes,
Michael






On 10/01/2008, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Joseph,

If we knew the date with 100% certainty I would certainly share it with you.

As we have seen there is no standard meaning to the word quarter either.

I'll go back to months. That's still somewhat Western-centric but
perhaps sufficiently accepted that it should not cause trouble.

Michael

Joseph Reeves wrote:

Talk of quarters might be more helpful (and standard within the
business world), but a date would be even better!

Joseph (waiting with anticipation)



On 10/01/2008, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's an excellent description because they don't want to be specific!
Push it more and I could see them just saying It'll be out in 2008.

-Steven

On Jan 9, 2008 6:51 PM, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jeff Bailes wrote:

FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring
is this? East Asia? US? Europe?

  I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be
released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring
at the same time +- 24 hours.  I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be spring in the
southern hemisphere since that's still ten and a half months away.

Amen.  Using seasons for describing milestones (a common US behaviour)
or even worse using holidays (e.g. we'll release that by Thanksgiving),
is always the *wrong* thing to do.

-- Rod (who is south of the equator, and also on a half-hour timezone)


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Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh


Hi Jay,

Thanks for your enthusiasm.


Jay Vaughan wrote:


We're still testing the hardware and gathering up little issues before 
determining whether we need to create another version of the board. We 
still expect to start shipping Neo FreeRunner sometime in the next few 
months. As always, we can't be more specific, because we're not sure.





As a GTA01 early-adopter and avid hacker on the platform, I simply can't 
wait for the GTA02 to be available.  My apps are raring to go on a 
completed phone.  So is there going to be any chance that you guys might 
set up an early-adopter list, upon which we avid fanboix can place 
ourselves, that will mean we get the phones as soon as they are 
shipping?  I'd be willing to place a pre-order, even, for 2 of them.


We've discussed this, but have not been able to figure out a way to do 
this. For instance, it is illegal to take money before things are ready 
to ship. There are other complications. You would not believe how 
difficult it is to set up a web store for a company in Taiwan to sell 
things around the world that ship from the USA. Ask roh how much fun 
he's having setting up the web store.






I'm 
that much of a neo1973 gimp .. and once I've got those 2, I'd be happy 
to get a box of 10 shipped my way for all my users, too.


For quantities of 10 or more you should talk to Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Michael

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Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Brad Midgley
Michael

 I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new
 hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and
 the accelerometers.

ah yes, 3d! It'll be nice to have 3d renderings using something like
google earth ;)

-- 
Brad

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Friday 11 January 2008 21:21:41 Michael Shiloh wrote:
 Hi Lon,

 Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and
 apparently even more have appeared:

 http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on
 http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-
freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE

So can we please get that all black Neo? Looks a lot nicer than the 
black/silver :P



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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Lon,

 Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and
 apparently even more have appeared:

 http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on
 http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2
 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE


The comments are.. not so happy. :/
Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world
before it gets crushed and forgotten.

-Nick

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Jan 11, 2008 2:17 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The comments are.. not so happy. :/

Yeah it didn't make a good impression to show the boot messages, and a
buggy crashing version of the UI.  It really doesn't make sense, in
that the rest of us are getting better results with the software
releases.

 Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world
 before it gets crushed and forgotten.

I would hope there is a sexier follow-on product with even more
features.  But I imagine there will be increasing amounts of
competition too.  It's just that at this time, there is no other
readily-available Linux phone which has a touchscreen, 640x480
resolution, and GPS.  Those are the features which got me interested.
(Besides being fully open, of course.)

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Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Denis
Unfortunately, opengl drivers for the SMedia chip will unlikely be
ready by the release of FreeRunner. Only XRender extension is
implemented by now. Also, GoogleEarth is closed-source and therefore
can not be recompiled for ARM.

P.S. Does anyone know whether we'll see accelerated XVideo extension
in the near future?

2008/1/12, Brad Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Michael

  I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new
  hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and
  the accelerometers.

 ah yes, 3d! It'll be nice to have 3d renderings using something like
 google earth ;)

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Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hi Lon,

Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and 
apparently even more have appeared:


http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on
http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE

I've added a link to these at 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more, 
please add them here.


Michael


Lon Lentz wrote:


  Michael,

  Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this?


On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello,

A brief status report from OpenMoko:

Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas


We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02).
Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we
had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most
of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless,
interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts
came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew
about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their
hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls,
Maddog), which is always very thrilling.






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Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-11 Thread Michael Shiloh

Hi Brad,

I'm pretty sure that the only new things we mentioned were new 
hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and 
the accelerometers.


Fixed GSM firmware is not new because that's already included in GTA01 
units (those that shipped after we got the fixed firmware). Anyway, 
fixing bugs doesn't count as new :-)


Michael


Brad Midgley wrote:

I was able to make out what's new and two things that are new and
nothing after that. We can probably guess he meant wifi and maybe
fixed gsm firmware.

On Jan 11, 2008 8:45 AM, andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Michael,

  Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this?

Try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE


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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Lon Lentz
  Thanks, Michael. That was what I was looking for. Geek tech sites covering
you guys at the show.

  I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of
those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones
about the boot scroll being visible.

  I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the
iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The
iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by
shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong.



On Jan 11, 2008 4:17 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on
 
 http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2
  http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE
 

 The comments are.. not so happy. :/
 Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world
 before it gets crushed and forgotten.

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Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Ted Lemon

On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote:
  I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article.  
A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the  
repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.


I thought that was weird.   The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts!


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