Re: Different hardware in the future?

2008-07-08 Thread Ole Kliemann
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 10:44:16PM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote:
> > Or will there be another hardware iteration then, eventually making it
> > necessary to change the hardware?
> 
> .. the interest in the older platforms and the newer platforms is only  
> going to pale as newer platforms are introduced, and in fact this is  
> needed, because the momentum towards a few hundred thousand to a  
> million users requires frequent hardware revisions. we should count on  
> it, as developers, in fact.

That is a good point. My question was more about whether the intention
of the Freerunner hardware was towards end-users. As I now understand,
it is.

About the software... we'll see. Today I flashed the daily of the GTK
version. I'm quite optimistic now. :) 


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Re: Different hardware in the future?

2008-07-08 Thread Ole Kliemann
> > I read, it is intended for end-users
> > but not yet quite end-user-capable. I wasn't sure whether this is a
> > question of software only, or one of hardware too.
> Software only.
> Freerunner is supposed to be the final design.

That's exactly what I wanted to hear. :)


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Re: Different hardware in the future?

2008-07-07 Thread Jay Vaughan

>
> But now my question: As I understand, the software right now is not
> fully evolved. I would be interested in experimenting and testing,  
> but I
> also would like to have a fully functional phone in the long run.  
> Will I
> have one with the Freerunner once the software development reached a
> certain stage?

I would say so, or at least I have invested in the neo1973 and the  
freerunner now, in faith that both of them will be useful sooner or  
later .. and i've been following the software projects development for  
a while now, there is definitely movement and flux, only ..


> Or will there be another hardware iteration then, eventually making it
> necessary to change the hardware?

.. the interest in the older platforms and the newer platforms is only  
going to pale as newer platforms are introduced, and in fact this is  
needed, because the momentum towards a few hundred thousand to a  
million users requires frequent hardware revisions. we should count on  
it, as developers, in fact.

> I read, it is intended for end-users
> but not yet quite end-user-capable. I wasn't sure whether this is a
> question of software only, or one of hardware too.
>


right now, its intended for developers, but if enough developers get  
onboard right now and do cool things, there will be people who buy the  
phone because they only want to be users and not much else.  that day  
will come: it is up to us developers, however, to provide some reason  
not to screw up hardware manufacture economics and attract the  
masses .. ;)

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Re: Different hardware in the future?

2008-07-07 Thread Tilman Baumann
Ole Kliemann wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I'd first like to say how excited I am about the Freerunner. I am an
> enthusiastic linux user who likes to customize every aspect to create a
> workflow that just fits. So a customizable phone is what I have been
> looking for. A big thanks to all involved in the project, you are doing
> something important. It is about time that man reclaims machine.
> 
> But now my question: As I understand, the software right now is not
> fully evolved. I would be interested in experimenting and testing, but I
> also would like to have a fully functional phone in the long run.

It is already pretty functional, but probably not fully.
It works, but some featueres still evolve (GPS,mapping,motion sensor 
stuff,management of wlan/networking) and some software may change. (The 
whole multiple subsystems shebang)
See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Latest_Images
Especially 
http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2008/06/28/gtk-asu-fso-tmtla/

Moving target... ;)

But you will be able to make calls send sms and so.

> Will I
> have one with the Freerunner once the software development reached a
> certain stage?
> 
> Or will there be another hardware iteration then, eventually making it
> necessary to change the hardware? 
No
> I read, it is intended for end-users
> but not yet quite end-user-capable. I wasn't sure whether this is a
> question of software only, or one of hardware too.
Software only.
Freerunner is supposed to be the final design.

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Re: Different hardware in the future?

2008-07-07 Thread c_r
On Mon Jul 07, 2008 at 10:00:50PM +, Ole Kliemann wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I'd first like to say how excited I am about the Freerunner. I am an
> enthusiastic linux user who likes to customize every aspect to create a
> workflow that just fits. So a customizable phone is what I have been
> looking for. A big thanks to all involved in the project, you are doing
> something important. It is about time that man reclaims machine.
> 
> But now my question: As I understand, the software right now is not
> fully evolved. I would be interested in experimenting and testing, but I
> also would like to have a fully functional phone in the long run. Will I
> have one with the Freerunner once the software development reached a
> certain stage?
> 
> Or will there be another hardware iteration then, eventually making it
> necessary to change the hardware? I read, it is intended for end-users
> but not yet quite end-user-capable. I wasn't sure whether this is a
> question of software only, or one of hardware too.

depends on if you want things like 3g, edge, hdmi, camera or not

> 
> Best regards,
> Ole
> 
> PS: I hope this is not a double post now. But I did not receive my
> message on the list and could not spot it in the archive either.
> 
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Different hardware in the future?

2008-07-07 Thread Ole Kliemann
Hi everyone!

I'd first like to say how excited I am about the Freerunner. I am an
enthusiastic linux user who likes to customize every aspect to create a
workflow that just fits. So a customizable phone is what I have been
looking for. A big thanks to all involved in the project, you are doing
something important. It is about time that man reclaims machine.

But now my question: As I understand, the software right now is not
fully evolved. I would be interested in experimenting and testing, but I
also would like to have a fully functional phone in the long run. Will I
have one with the Freerunner once the software development reached a
certain stage?

Or will there be another hardware iteration then, eventually making it
necessary to change the hardware? I read, it is intended for end-users
but not yet quite end-user-capable. I wasn't sure whether this is a
question of software only, or one of hardware too.

Best regards,
Ole

PS: I hope this is not a double post now. But I did not receive my
message on the list and could not spot it in the archive either.

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