Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
Wallace Jackson wrote: Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? This seems not very likely: JavaFX is something highly advanced and build on the top of existing java platform. Even the ordinary java 1.5 seems is not properly ported to OpenMoko yet. Sun's java is under GPL now but they have never supported this processor. Audrius ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
Has JavaFX been released? Can you point me to JavaFX sources you would like to see running on the Neo (URLs please, Sun's websites are a real maze, almost rivaling our wiki :-))? afaik there will be JavaFX Mobile and JavaFX Script. Rest assured that we will work hard to get all this stuff running on OpenMoko. Wolfgang On Jan 26, 2008, at 10:57 PM, Audrius Meskauskas wrote: Wallace Jackson wrote: Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? This seems not very likely: JavaFX is something highly advanced and build on the top of existing java platform. Even the ordinary java 1.5 seems is not properly ported to OpenMoko yet. Sun's java is under GPL now but they have never supported this processor. Audrius ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
Audrius Meskauskas wrote: Wallace Jackson wrote: Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? This seems not very likely: JavaFX is something highly advanced and build on the top of existing java platform. There are two editions of JavaFX: regular and mobile. These correspond to Java SE (desktop) and Java ME (phone). As mentioned in the OP, the very first time JavaFX Mobile was shown in public, worldwide, it was running on a stock Neo1973 (presumably GTA01). Even the ordinary java 1.5 seems is not properly ported to OpenMoko yet. Sun's java is under GPL now but they have never supported this processor. Bzzt, thanks for playing. There is a Java 1.4 (SE) Technology Preview for ARM that you can download; this has been available for about 6 months. Unfortunately it doesn't play nice with the particular shared library versions that are installed on OpenMoko, and at that point I gave up. Not to mention that you can download Java ME for Arm from the JavaME site :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
Bzzt, thanks for playing. There is a Java 1.4 (SE) Technology Preview for ARM that you can download; this has been available for about 6 months. Unfortunately it doesn't play nice with the particular shared library versions that are installed on OpenMoko, and at that point I gave up. Not to mention that you can download Java ME for Arm from the JavaME site :-) Can you elaborate what you mean with 'didn't play nice with the particular shared library versions'? The more detailed the more we can do about it. Also, can you reply with a URL for Java stuff you would like to see integrated into OpenMoko? Wolfgang On Jan 27, 2008, at 12:54 AM, Ian Darwin wrote: Audrius Meskauskas wrote: Wallace Jackson wrote: Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? This seems not very likely: JavaFX is something highly advanced and build on the top of existing java platform. There are two editions of JavaFX: regular and mobile. These correspond to Java SE (desktop) and Java ME (phone). As mentioned in the OP, the very first time JavaFX Mobile was shown in public, worldwide, it was running on a stock Neo1973 (presumably GTA01). Even the ordinary java 1.5 seems is not properly ported to OpenMoko yet. Sun's java is under GPL now but they have never supported this processor. Bzzt, thanks for playing. There is a Java 1.4 (SE) Technology Preview for ARM that you can download; this has been available for about 6 months. Unfortunately it doesn't play nice with the particular shared library versions that are installed on OpenMoko, and at that point I gave up. Not to mention that you can download Java ME for Arm from the JavaME site :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:46 +0800 Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzt, thanks for playing. There is a Java 1.4 (SE) Technology Preview for ARM that you can download; this has been available for about 6 months. Unfortunately it doesn't play nice with the particular shared library versions that are installed on OpenMoko, and at that point I gave up. Not to mention that you can download Java ME for Arm from the JavaME site :-) Can you elaborate what you mean with 'didn't play nice with the particular shared library versions'? The more detailed the more we can do about it. Also, can you reply with a URL for Java stuff you would like to see integrated into OpenMoko? Id just like to jump in at this point and say that there is a heavy integration of J2ME and J2SE happening in OE at the moment. Its probably wise to wait a couple of weeks to see the developer doing the work complete. Then we can see what we are still missing. Graeme ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX - Additional hardware through custom mods
I agree that additional hardware should not be added to the default phone. If people want additional hardware they should get a custom case with extra room to support hobby projects and build/test these expansion modules themselves. If some of the modules became mainstream I could /eventually/ see these features added to the default configuration. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:45:43 -0800 (PST) Wallace Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware default. Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in the shipping release!? Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's not going to happen. we are at gta02a5 (5th version) and are making zero changes - we want to make this work and release. we are only in the business of making sure what we actually have works. adding more will add cost and a lot more time to market. so basically- no. :) JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? no idea at this stage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX - Additional hardware through custom mods
On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 08:27 -0700, Jeremiah Flerchinger wrote: I agree that additional hardware should not be added to the default phone. If people want additional hardware they should get a custom case with extra room to support hobby projects and build/test these expansion modules themselves. If some of the modules became mainstream I could eventually see these features added to the default configuration. I considered that for small modules it may be possible to add extensions to the corners of the phone, thus making it more square. The side of the extension facing the phone can also be shielded if needed to limit interference on both sides. This will not win any prizes in a beauty contest, but in my life function comes before form. Regards Hendrik ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware default. Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in the shipping release!? Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? Wallace Jackson, Mind Taffy Design Acrobat-3D.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
Wallace Jackson wrote on 01/23/2008 05:45 PM: A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware default. Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in the shipping release!? Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? Wallace Jackson, Mind Taffy Design Acrobat-3D.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I my opinion, including another piece of hardware on the Neo (and in detail a device which needs to be isolated from any magnetic influences by other components) would cause big changes in the hardware layout, so for the Neo1973 it's surely impossible (or only possible with again some months of delay caused by testing, etc). But if you really like to have one on this phone, maybe you can add a little compass (no electrical module, a real compass) into one of the alternate cases, just a tiny little thing of let's say 1cm in diameter. If its really small that shouldn't cause a big problem and maybe there are some others interested in some kind of stuff like that too. Disadvantage: It'll always be there and and need to keep your phone in horizontal orientation to read it. Greets, Georg -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
At least this solution consumes zero energy :-) Georg Michelitsch wrote: I my opinion, including another piece of hardware on the Neo (and in detail a device which needs to be isolated from any magnetic influences by other components) would cause big changes in the hardware layout, so for the Neo1973 it's surely impossible (or only possible with again some months of delay caused by testing, etc). But if you really like to have one on this phone, maybe you can add a little compass (no electrical module, a real compass) into one of the alternate cases, just a tiny little thing of let's say 1cm in diameter. If its really small that shouldn't cause a big problem and maybe there are some others interested in some kind of stuff like that too. Disadvantage: It'll always be there and and need to keep your phone in horizontal orientation to read it. Greets, Georg ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Wallace Jackson: A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware default. Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in the shipping release!? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7892 Price: $44.95 10-99: $40.46 each (10% off) 100 or more: $35.96 each (20% off) :-( jOERG ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
What about just stick something like this to the case? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4732 Cheap and easy :) On 23/01/2008, Georg Michelitsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Schmidt András wrote on 01/23/2008 06:40 PM: At least this solution consumes zero energy :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Zero energy on the side of FIC, but a lot of work for the case designers.. I'm not really a designer but I imagine that it isn't really easy to create something like a phone case. -- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Alejandro Enrique ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Digital Compass JavaFX
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:45:43 -0800 (PST) Wallace Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware default. Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in the shipping release!? Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's not going to happen. we are at gta02a5 (5th version) and are making zero changes - we want to make this work and release. we are only in the business of making sure what we actually have works. adding more will add cost and a lot more time to market. so basically- no. :) JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? no idea at this stage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
