Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
haven't tried it, but there is also Strokerecog: https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/strokerecog/ On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:22 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: there's rosetta http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ and i managed to compile it and install on my debian/fso. but so far i had not much time to test it (wasn't that convincing the first tries), and anyway it seems pretty much abandoned. another attempt is cellwriter http://risujin.org/cellwriter which at least is in debian -- i totally forgot about this until now, have to try it come weekend. both are not really like graffiti, which best part was the standardized shapes instead of complex learning and recognizing algorithm for every single hand. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
There is also matchbox-stroke. It's in the openmoko repos. Just do: opkg install matchbox-stroke. I tried it on Om2008.12 and I like it. But the configuration file is incomplete, so it's impossible to enter many letters and characters. Even space was not configured, I configured it manually in the configuration file. So if someone would write a good configuration file for it, it should be usable. Matchbox-stroke puts a white space on the bottom of the screen. You don't need so much space to write a character. I think we could use the combination of handwriting and buttons. Maybe something like this - http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2745/strokemg2.png (I made it with GIMP). The @#$ button would display an onscreen keyboard to enter special characters (because I tink its hard to remember the strokes for all the characters) and the mode button would toggle between number mode, lower case mode and upper case mode. I tink this should be usable with fingers too. I would do this myself, but I can't code :( I think that if we had a good handwriting recognition program, all the keyboard problems would be solved. At least for me. Because I used to have Sony Ericsson P800 and I really liked it's handwriting recognition. I could hold the phone in my hand and write the characters with the same hand's thumb. I lost the stylus of my P800 long time ago and I wasn't missing it at all. On Debian I tried cellwriter too. It works really good, but it's only usable with stylus. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: haven't tried it, but there is also Strokerecog: https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/strokerecog/ On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:22 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: there's rosetta http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ and i managed to compile it and install on my debian/fso. but so far i had not much time to test it (wasn't that convincing the first tries), and anyway it seems pretty much abandoned. another attempt is cellwriter http://risujin.org/cellwriter which at least is in debian -- i totally forgot about this until now, have to try it come weekend. both are not really like graffiti, which best part was the standardized shapes instead of complex learning and recognizing algorithm for every single hand. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
qwo is on the way to debian... that's nice to hear. could you have an eye on the deps? just for fun i looked at cellwriter and dasher, and they pull in dependencies totally occupying 20.1MB and 58.4MB respectiveley -- mostly because of heavy dependencies of that fat gnome stuff: debian-gta02:~# apt-get install cellwriter Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: gconf2 gnome-mime-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common Suggested packages: libbonobo2-bin desktop-base libgnomevfs2-bin fam Recommended packages: libgnomevfs2-extra gnome-mount The following NEW packages will be installed: cellwriter gconf2 gnome-mime-data libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common 0 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 4524kB of archives. After this operation, 20.1MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n debian-gta02:~# apt-get install dasher Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: at-spi dasher-data espeak-data gconf2 gnome-mime-data libart-2.0-2 libatspi1.0-0 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libespeak1 libgail-common libgail18 libglade2-0 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome-speech7 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libportaudio2 libxevie1 Suggested packages: libbonobo2-bin desktop-base gnome-icon-theme libgnomevfs2-bin fam Recommended packages: espeak gnome-keyring festival libgnomevfs2-extra gnome-mount The following NEW packages will be installed: at-spi dasher dasher-data espeak-data gconf2 gnome-mime-data libart-2.0-2 libatspi1.0-0 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-0 libbonoboui2-common libespeak1 libgail-common libgail18 libglade2-0 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome-speech7 libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libportaudio2 libxevie1 0 upgraded, 32 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 16.2MB of archives. After this operation, 58.4MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
I tried both cellwiter (nice and fast but problems only in e17 because of maximization) and dasher... dasher it's the version for a more powerful cpu... I know from direct contact with developers that they're trying to bevelop a specific version for small devices. qwo is on the way to debian... nice news! but in which repos will it be placed? unstable or testing? I have no memory about the error, I should try again... right now I'm building directly on the fr because it's faster than running on qemu (on my pc... hopefully i'll change it soon ;-) ) and i have no log right now. d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
nice news! but in which repos will it be placed? unstable or testing? testing is frozen already, so it can't get in there directly, thus 'unstable' (ie sid) For testing (ie lenny atm) we can create a backport and I could host it off my repository -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
i'm trying cellwriter on my debian... - do you know a way to start it on e17 no in fullscreen mode? I tried to pack qwo (deb) with no success right now... hope to have news soon. d On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:22 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: there's rosetta http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ and i managed to compile it and install on my debian/fso. but so far i had not much time to test it (wasn't that convincing the first tries), and anyway it seems pretty much abandoned. another attempt is cellwriter http://risujin.org/cellwriter which at least is in debian -- i totally forgot about this until now, have to try it come weekend. both are not really like graffiti, which best part was the standardized shapes instead of complex learning and recognizing algorithm for every single hand. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)
Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input method yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be (at least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb with usable, but fairly small buttons. Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block letters) hard to do? Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the wiki, but I haven't tried them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)
2009/1/16 fla...@correo.ugr.es: Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input method yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be (at least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb with usable, but fairly small buttons. Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block letters) hard to do? Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the wiki, but I haven't tried them. i've seen a package called qtopia-x11-handwriting, or something similar, in the 2008.12 repos; i guess this is it? is there any documentation on how to get it working? i had it installed about 3 flashes ago, but never figured out how to use it, and didn't try it again thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Handwriting (was Re: Dual touch display)
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/16 fla...@correo.ugr.es: Now that you bring it up, I'm wondering why we don't have such an input method yet. It would not need more space than the illume kb we have but would be (at least for human languages I think) much more intuitive than a finger kb with usable, but fairly small buttons. Is handwriting recognition (fairly simple shapes, one could stick to block letters) hard to do? Qt Extended has it, works pretty well, and it is open source. Also, I think I have seem some handwriting input methods in opkg.org and in the wiki, but I haven't tried them. i've seen a package called qtopia-x11-handwriting, or something similar, in the 2008.12 repos; i guess this is it? is there any documentation on how to get it working? i had it installed about 3 flashes ago, but never figured out how to use it, and didn't try it again thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community handwriting worked in qtopia never tried it on another distro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
qwo is on the way to debian... Christian Amsuess has done initial packaging, we are just resolving some issues, upstream moved to using git and did some handy fixes... some time very soon I will upload it into Debian (hopefully late this weekend). what problems did you particularly encountered while building it? may be there is some arm specific challenge (I've not tried to built it yet on my FR) On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Davide Scaini wrote: i'm trying cellwriter on my debian... - do you know a way to start it on e17 no in fullscreen mode? I tried to pack qwo (deb) with no success right now... hope to have news soon. -- .-. =-- /v\ = Keep in touch// \\ (yoh@|www.)onerussian.com Yaroslav Halchenko /( )\ ICQ#: 60653192 Linux User^^-^^[17] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
there's rosetta http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ and i managed to compile it and install on my debian/fso. but so far i had not much time to test it (wasn't that convincing the first tries), and anyway it seems pretty much abandoned. another attempt is cellwriter http://risujin.org/cellwriter which at least is in debian -- i totally forgot about this until now, have to try it come weekend. both are not really like graffiti, which best part was the standardized shapes instead of complex learning and recognizing algorithm for every single hand. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 16:22, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: there's rosetta http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ and i managed to compile it and install on my debian/fso. but so far i had not much time to test it (wasn't that convincing the first tries), and anyway it seems pretty much abandoned. another attempt is cellwriter http://risujin.org/cellwriter which at least is in debian -- i totally forgot about this until now, have to try it come weekend. both are not really like graffiti, which best part was the standardized shapes instead of complex learning and recognizing algorithm for every single hand. There is also the one in Qtextended which is not far to be really usable. Though default shapes have to be edited (some are about the same for different characters, especially bettween some letters and numbers, like 9 and g maybe -do not remember-) But it would need to be ported to be used outside of Qtopia... Now that Qt is moving to LGPL, this might be an option ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
arne anka ha scritto: there's rosetta http://www.handhelds.org/project/rosetta/ another attempt is cellwriter http://risujin.org/cellwriter I use QWO since December and I feel very nice with it, forgot any other keyboard and dictionariesvery good input method. Bye :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
But it would need to be ported to be used outside of Qtopia... Now that Qt is moving to LGPL, this might be an option ? licensing has not been an obstacle so fra. but iirc the recognition is intimately linked with the qtopia way of life, among others the lack of X. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
I use QWO since December and I feel very nice with it, forgot any other keyboard and dictionariesvery good input method. what's qwo? the qtopia one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
arne anka ha scritto: I use QWO since December and I feel very nice with it, forgot any other keyboard and dictionariesvery good input method. what's qwo? the qtopia one? _ Nope, look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ Bye :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
Nope, look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ quikwriting (qwikwrite?). yes. i've seen that before. is it really that good? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
arne anka ha scritto: Nope, look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ quikwriting (qwikwrite?). yes. i've seen that before. is it really that good? IMHO the best one I've never seen I became very fast after few days (now I have a counter problem, as I'm too fast doing gestures that I make much mistakes :P) It's very customizable and (almost for latin people) you can add accented letters and other key codesUsing it in terminal too with no effort...try it ;) Bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: handwriting recognition. was:Re: Dual touch display
+1 for QWO. It is on opkg.org http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html 2009/1/15 DJDAS dj...@djdas.net arne anka ha scritto: Nope, look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/ quikwriting (qwikwrite?). yes. i've seen that before. is it really that good? IMHO the best one I've never seen I became very fast after few days (now I have a counter problem, as I'm too fast doing gestures that I make much mistakes :P) It's very customizable and (almost for latin people) you can add accented letters and other key codesUsing it in terminal too with no effort...try it ;) Bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dual touch display
Hi, if not yet posted: I have found a dual touch / multi touch input device for pens and fingers. It may be interesting, if GTA3 design not finished yet. But I don't know about availability :-) http://www.n-trig.com/Default.aspx Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
