Re: Editing text files

2008-10-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
 What I meant was that after you install illume-config-illume and set up the
 new keyboards [1], you should back up your 89qtopia file from
 /etc/X11/Xsession.d/

I lost you already: my initial Om2008.9 install already included
illume-config-illume.  To install the Raster keyboard, all I had to do
was install illume-config, it seems.  And I don't think any of it has
touched the 89qtopia file.


Stefan


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-13 Thread Nishit Dave
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:21:06 -0400, Stefan Monnier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I use Raster's Illume keyboard, and select the Terminal layout, and most
  of
 
  I guess it's the part that I don't get.  What means Raster's Illume
  keyboard and how do I select another keyboard?
  I've read the Wiki about it, but I must be too dense to understand it;
  it always seems to refer to a system that looks different from mine.
  I have installed 2008.9 with few changes as of now.
  I guess I'll try again,
 
 
  Stefan

 try:
 opkg install illume-config illume-config-illume

 Should net you the 'qwerty' icon on the left in the Top Shelf.  When
 selected it will open Raster's Illume keyboard. (which should be the
 default keyboard at this point, though you may need to restart - at least
 xserver-nodm - and it WILL occasionally revert to the Qtopia keyboard,
 particularly when changes or updates to something Qtopia are made.  if it
 shows the predictive keyboard (Raster's version) then tab the icon at the
 top-right of the keyboard and select 'Terminal' from the list.

 Back up the 89qtopia before updating wholesale, and replace it when the
keyboards fail.  Less pain, more gain.
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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
 Nishit == Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Back up the 89qtopia before 
 updating wholesale, and replace it when the
 keyboards fail.  Less pain, more gain.

I have no idea what you're talking about.  What wholesale update are
you referring to?  What failure of keyboards?  What do you gain?
Could you expand a little for me poor novice here?


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-13 Thread Nishit Dave
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Nishit == Nishit Dave
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Back up the 89qtopia
 before updating wholesale, and replace it when the
  keyboards fail.  Less pain, more gain.

 I have no idea what you're talking about.  What wholesale update are
 you referring to?  What failure of keyboards?  What do you gain?
 Could you expand a little for me poor novice here?


 What I meant was that after you install illume-config-illume and set up the
new keyboards [1], you should back up your 89qtopia file from
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/

When you go for opkg update  upgrade, and if that upgrades illume for you,
it could result into your new keyboards disappearing.

Doing things mentioned here [2] to install a good utility for gprs etc. and
then updating the system may also undo some modifications, so backing up
89qtopia after [2] is a good idea.  You can have the qpe process disappear,
and the dialers, messaging etc. fail after updates.

It will help you rescue the setup when you restore it.  You will gain more
insights with actual experience.

[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate
[2]
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS#Option_1:_With_GSM_multiplexing_and_with_a_GUI
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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-13 Thread yves mahe
Stefan Monnier wrote:
 How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
 SSH-over-USB connection)?
 `sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
 ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
 any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is about as
 painful as it gets).
 Clearly, we can do much better.
 
 
 Stefan

in FSO, I edit with leafpad. It's possible to edit a text file directly 
from filemanager (gpe)

Some help (in french) to get it work.
http://sites.google.com/site/pythonopenmoko/leafpad-et-filemanager

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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-13 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Monday 13 October 2008 07:34:38 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
   Check out nano.

 Has anyone compiled Emacs for the Om2008.9 distribution?
 Or maybe Zile?

http://buildhost.freesmartphone.org/~mickeyl/om-gta02-deploy/ipk/armv4t/zile_2.2.15-r0_armv4t.ipk
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Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Stefan Monnier

How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
SSH-over-USB connection)?
`sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is about as
painful as it gets).
Clearly, we can do much better.


Stefan


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/10/13 Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
 SSH-over-USB connection)?
 `sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
 ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide

vi works fine here (well, as fine as any modal text editor 'works'...)

if you use raster's kb, there is a terminal layout, with an escape key
at far bottom right

 any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is about as
 painful as it gets).
 Clearly, we can do much better.

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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread joakim
Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
 SSH-over-USB connection)?
 `sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
 ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
 any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is about as
 painful as it gets).
 Clearly, we can do much better.

I use Emacs 22 on Debian on the Freerunner with the Matchbox keyboard.



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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:33:28 -0400, Stefan Monnier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
 SSH-over-USB connection)?
 `sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
 ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
 any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is about as
 painful as it gets).
 Clearly, we can do much better.
 
 
 Stefan

I use Raster's Illume keyboard, and select the Terminal layout, and most of
my editing is done with mc, Midnight Commander.  mc -e text.txt fires it
up editing that text file, though I usually have it running in file manager
mode already, so I F4 to edit (esc then '4' subs in mc for F4) or tap the
'edit' button at the bottom.

j


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread SCarlson


 Check out nano .

-Scott

\
Stefan Monnier wrote:
 
 
 How do people edit text files on their FreeRunner (other than via an
 SSH-over-USB connection)?
 `sed' seems to be about as good as I can get, since `vi' requires the
 ESC key to do anything useful, but the keyboard doesn't seem to provide
 any way to enter it (but even if it did, motion with hjkl is about as
 painful as it gets).
 Clearly, we can do much better.
 
 
 Stefan
 
 
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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
SCarlson wrote:
 
  Check out nano .

+1


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
 I use Raster's Illume keyboard, and select the Terminal layout, and most of

I guess it's the part that I don't get.  What means Raster's Illume
keyboard and how do I select another keyboard?
I've read the Wiki about it, but I must be too dense to understand it;
it always seems to refer to a system that looks different from mine.
I have installed 2008.9 with few changes as of now.
I guess I'll try again,


Stefan


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:21:06 -0400, Stefan Monnier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use Raster's Illume keyboard, and select the Terminal layout, and most
 of
 
 I guess it's the part that I don't get.  What means Raster's Illume
 keyboard and how do I select another keyboard?
 I've read the Wiki about it, but I must be too dense to understand it;
 it always seems to refer to a system that looks different from mine.
 I have installed 2008.9 with few changes as of now.
 I guess I'll try again,
 
 
 Stefan

try:
opkg install illume-config illume-config-illume

Should net you the 'qwerty' icon on the left in the Top Shelf.  When
selected it will open Raster's Illume keyboard. (which should be the
default keyboard at this point, though you may need to restart - at least
xserver-nodm - and it WILL occasionally revert to the Qtopia keyboard,
particularly when changes or updates to something Qtopia are made.  if it
shows the predictive keyboard (Raster's version) then tab the icon at the
top-right of the keyboard and select 'Terminal' from the list.

j


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
  Check out nano.

Has anyone compiled Emacs for the Om2008.9 distribution?
Or maybe Zile?


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
 opkg install illume-config illume-config-illume

 Should net you the 'qwerty' icon on the left in the Top Shelf.  When
 selected it will open Raster's Illume keyboard. (which should be the
 default keyboard at this point, though you may need to restart - at least
 xserver-nodm - and it WILL occasionally revert to the Qtopia keyboard,
 particularly when changes or updates to something Qtopia are made.  if it
 shows the predictive keyboard (Raster's version) then tab the icon at the
 top-right of the keyboard and select 'Terminal' from the list.

Thanks.  I think my confusion was that illume-config-illume was
pre-installed and the descriptions of Raster's keyboard seemed
sufficiently close to the one I saw that I didn't realize that I had
another one and that illume-config mattered.  So IIUC, the default
keyboard in Om2008.9 is Qtopia's, and installing illume-config switches
it over to Raster's.

BTW, the two kinds of keyboards could benefit from each other: Raster's
zoom on hold looks amateurish compared to the neat one in Qtopia's.


Stefan


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Re: Editing text files

2008-10-12 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:39:32 -0400 Stefan Monnier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:

  opkg install illume-config illume-config-illume
 
  Should net you the 'qwerty' icon on the left in the Top Shelf.  When
  selected it will open Raster's Illume keyboard. (which should be the
  default keyboard at this point, though you may need to restart - at least
  xserver-nodm - and it WILL occasionally revert to the Qtopia keyboard,
  particularly when changes or updates to something Qtopia are made.  if it
  shows the predictive keyboard (Raster's version) then tab the icon at the
  top-right of the keyboard and select 'Terminal' from the list.
 
 Thanks.  I think my confusion was that illume-config-illume was
 pre-installed and the descriptions of Raster's keyboard seemed
 sufficiently close to the one I saw that I didn't realize that I had
 another one and that illume-config mattered.  So IIUC, the default
 keyboard in Om2008.9 is Qtopia's, and installing illume-config switches
 it over to Raster's.
 
 BTW, the two kinds of keyboards could benefit from each other: Raster's
 zoom on hold looks amateurish compared to the neat one in Qtopia's.

because you use a pretty cruddy theme. try the illume images and better themes.
also the qt one looks bad - its a square block - because it isnt using shapes
(which are expensive) also it tends to hide under your finger. if the keyboard
wasnt all black but lets say white or green with a texture and details - u'd
notice the square box.

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