Re: Example of accelerometers utility
Not to cross-post in threads, but I was just throwing some ideas on using tilting to make keyboards easier in the snapshot thread. Anyone have any other ideas along this line? I would hate to have to carry a stylus when there is nowhere to put it... Joe Stroller wrote: On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:58, Al Johnson wrote: Monday 03 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. In a fair chunk of Scotland, including Glasgow where the code was written, shoogle means shake. Giving the phone a shoogle to find out if you had any messages would make perfect sense. I say this as an englishman who occasionally travels north of the border, so the details may be wrong :-) Ah! I'm enlightened! They should've had a sassy Glaswegian explaining this at the beginning of the video: Gie' it a shoogle, ken! Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Joseph J. McCarthy, Associate Professor and William Kepler Whiteford Faculty Fellow Department of Chemical and Petroleum Engineering University of Pittsburgh 1249 Benedum Hall Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15261 Ph. 412-624-7362; Fax 412-624-9639 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://granular.che.pitt.edu ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
On 4 Dec 2007, at 09:58, Al Johnson wrote: Monday 03 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. In a fair chunk of Scotland, including Glasgow where the code was written, shoogle means shake. Giving the phone a shoogle to find out if you had any messages would make perfect sense. I say this as an englishman who occasionally travels north of the border, so the details may be wrong :-) Ah! I'm enlightened! They should've had a sassy Glaswegian explaining this at the beginning of the video: Gie' it a shoogle, ken! Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
On Monday 03 December 2007, Stroller wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in a current phone use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. In a fair chunk of Scotland, including Glasgow where the code was written, shoogle means shake. Giving the phone a shoogle to find out if you had any messages would make perfect sense. I say this as an englishman who occasionally travels north of the border, so the details may be wrong :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
I think the largest issue with a motion sensing algorithm would be human reproducibility. I feel the precision of our movement ability is less than the precision of the device/possible code. If the code is only designed to pick up direction and not magnitude, then reliability (of valid person authenticating correctly) would increase. -Kyle On Dec 2, 2007 10:42 AM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in a current phone use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w There is for example : - battery level - different tone for received msg (accelerometers make sense cause if you are in reunion/course/whatever, the phone shouldn't be moving, unlike if you are walking/moving, most of time any noise should be acceptable) ideas : There is already some different way to login, (gps coord) login/pwd..., why not a code based on accelerometers :) I mean for example, two at left, one at right, one bottom, one behind... It could be a 3D code... -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
Of course, the code has to take that in account : make orthogonal projections with smooth tolerance... no problem doing that. There is a usb device to control the view in games called Track-IR, and there is no problem to accomodate with 3D positioning and move... so I am sure to have no problem with a great interface to deal with it. (some bip can be played once a move is recognized by the device, so you know if you did a bad rotation and have half a second to do it again or if your move was completed and you can now go on next one). Don't forget that we can fix limits on speeds, angles, and ranges... lots of parameters to suit very nice human hands moves. (I just was thinking about having untypical setting: left-hand/right-hand :) ). Gal' On Dec 3, 2007 3:41 PM, Kyle Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the largest issue with a motion sensing algorithm would be human reproducibility. I feel the precision of our movement ability is less than the precision of the device/possible code. If the code is only designed to pick up direction and not magnitude, then reliability (of valid person authenticating correctly) would increase. -Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in a current phone use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. ISTM the problem with accelerator-UI applications is that it's difficult - if not impossible? - to convey more than one kind of information. When I pick the phone up shake it, how does it know whether I want to rattle my inbox or hear my battery-level in splashiness? One can perhaps distinguish two or three requests by holding down a button shaking, touching the screen shaking.. umm... tapping a button releasing shaking, tapping the screen shaking... but I think we quickly run out of actions. Of course, if we determine that there are no more than three or five kinds of information we might possibly wish to represent audibly then I guess that's not a problem. Stroller. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007, Stroller wrote: On 2 Dec 2007, at 15:42, Steven Le Roux wrote: Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in a current phone use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w I _love_ the ball-bearing inbox and the way that a message from your g/f might have a different timbre from one from your bank. That feels VERY innovative to me, and more than compensates for the stupid name (Shroogle? WTF?) and the dull video. ISTM the problem with accelerator-UI applications is that it's difficult - if not impossible? - to convey more than one kind of information. When I pick the phone up shake it, how does it know whether I want to rattle my inbox or hear my battery-level in splashiness? You obviously choose the application you want by tilting the screen so the marble rolls through the maze to the application's icon. Actually, more seriously, you slosh liquid in a bottle by shaking sideways slowly, and rattle ball bearings by shaking vigorously up and down. Detecting the difference between these is much easier than detecting the difference between either of these and random other activity, and much much easier than calculating the correct response, so having a bunch of different kinds of thing inside the phone isn't actually difficult compared to doing that at all (and getting it to respond with the natural timing). -Daniel *This .sig left intentionally blank* ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Example of accelerometers utility
On Dec 3, 2007 3:35 PM, Daniel Barkalow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You obviously choose the application you want by tilting the screen so the marble rolls through the maze to the application's icon. Hey, this is actually very doable. Check out this video of the nokmote which uses the Nokia N95's built in accelerometer for 100% navigation. You can move left, right, up or down by tilting the phone in the corresponding direction and select by lifting the phone slightly. http://www.dailymotion.com/related/6130275/video/x3f4o8_nokmote_tech Imagine hands free web browsing experience... I can't wait for the end of December. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Example of accelerometers utility
Here is a video which shows some applications for accelerometers in a current phone use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w There is for example : - battery level - different tone for received msg (accelerometers make sense cause if you are in reunion/course/whatever, the phone shouldn't be moving, unlike if you are walking/moving, most of time any noise should be acceptable) ideas : There is already some different way to login, (gps coord) login/pwd..., why not a code based on accelerometers :) I mean for example, two at left, one at right, one bottom, one behind... It could be a 3D code... -- Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
