Are you policing this project for violations?
Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to
be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There
really isn't any reason to keep going on about it.
right. so how would this ungraffiti work, exactly? wha
Giles Jones writes:
>
>Are you policing this project for violations?
Look, he pointed out a potential trademark issue, which will have to
be considered if some sort of ungraffiti is to be distributed. There
really isn't any reason to keep going on about it.
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Bah, forget graffiti! It's too difficult; the computer should be able to
help you with it, but it doesn't. It essentially says "do this unnecessary
work". Using graffiti is like using a help file. (And I have a pretty long
rant on those somewhere).
If a really clever person sat down and drew lots
What the fuck is even going on here?!
On 7/30/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On 30 Jul 2007, at 15:35, David "Lefty" Schlesinger wrote:
>
> > Trademarks exist in specific contexts for particular usages,
> > they're not
> > a global thing. I'm obligated to deal with trademark law
On 30 Jul 2007, at 16:08, David Schlesinger wrote:
Not at all, that's a silly idea; as I've said, I simply _am_ obligated
to point out when a trademark held by my employer is being misused,
and
that's simply a condition of having the trademark.
True, but these are just ramblings, the inne
On Jul 30, 2007, at 4:35 PM, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote:
Trademarks exist in specific contexts for particular usages,
they're not
a global thing. I'm obligated to deal with trademark law as I find it;
if you wish it were something different, you'll need to write your
Congressional represent
>So by using fingers instead of a stylus we're not talking about the
>same use case anyway.
That's certainly not clear to me.
>Are you policing this project for violations?
Not at all, that's a silly idea; as I've said, I simply _am_ obligated
to point out when a trademark held by my employer i
On 30 Jul 2007, at 15:35, David "Lefty" Schlesinger wrote:
Trademarks exist in specific contexts for particular usages,
they're not
a global thing. I'm obligated to deal with trademark law as I find it;
if you wish it were something different, you'll need to write your
Congressional represent
Giles Jones wrote:
> Except that OpenMoko is a completely made up phrase which has no other
> use in the English language.
That's completely irrelevant, I'm afraid. (By the way, there was a "Cafe
Moko" right around the corner from my hotel in London; I've got a
picture of the sign someplace...)
>
>
On 30 Jul 2007, at 14:57, David "Lefty" Schlesinger wrote:
system and implementation of that system, and no other.
Sean and team
will be obliged to do precisely the same sort of thing if they become
aware of someone (mis)using the "OpenMoko" trademark in some way that
they didn't intend.
E
Jay Vaughan wrote:
it just happens that Graffiti is what people know "finger painting on
your PDA" to be .. its common enough to warrant usage as a word
referring to the activity of finger-painting symbols for recognition
on a devices surface.
No, sorry, this is incorrect, and precisely _why_ I
On 30 Jul 2007, at 15:02, Jay Vaughan wrote:
i'm rather fond of using xyz position sensors to roll balls around
word-chains, myself .. in my opinion there definitely ought to be
more 'game' in the interface of handheld toys, and we all know
games riff and rip freely at great will, regar
I just think it's a bit rich to be following this project if you
don't care about creative freedom. I'd much sooner create a new
input system anyway.
i'm rather fond of using xyz position sensors to roll balls around
word-chains, myself .. in my opinion there definitely ought to be
more '
Jay Vaughan wrote:
> it just happens that Graffiti is what people know "finger painting on
> your PDA" to be .. its common enough to warrant usage as a word
> referring to the activity of finger-painting symbols for recognition
> on a devices surface.
No, sorry, this is incorrect, and precisely _wh
You're correct--I was thinking patent issues rather than trademark issues.
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Here's the most important thing I'm going to say in this message:
IANAL, so everything I write below is speculation.
Michael Welter writes:
Rude or not, I'm posing a question to the community. If our
On 30 Jul 2007, at 11:21, Ortwin Regel wrote:
Worrying about worrying about the trademark issue is even more
irrelevant.
Pointing things like this out early is a good thing. Further
discussion about the trademark issue isn't necessary, though, it's
annoying.
What if they contribute softw
Agreed. So can we try to maintain focus on the immediate tactical
and technical advances that we can actually accomplish?
;
On Jul 30, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Ortwin Regel wrote:
Worrying about worrying about the trademark issue is even more
irrelevant.
Pointing things like this out early is
Worrying about worrying about the trademark issue is even more irrelevant.
Pointing things like this out early is a good thing. Further discussion
about the trademark issue isn't necessary, though, it's annoying.
Ortwin
On 7/30/07, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Jul 30, 2007, at
On Jul 30, 2007, at 7:50 AM, Rod Whitby wrote:
Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti trademark ..
Hmm ... someone could just as well say:
"Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the OpenMoko trademark .."
Is someone actually developing something which uses the OpenMoko
properti
Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Much as I've liked Graffiti on my Palm... The technology I'm
> interested in pursuing on this device is Quikwriting. Really looks
> like a best-of-both-worlds to me.
>
> http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/
Wow that would be cool. However random pa
Jay Vaughan wrote:
>> Michael Welter writes:
>>> So, who are they going to sue???
>> Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
>> it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
>> result.
>>
>
> Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti t
I think David went about it as well as he could.. although I feel by using
"Graffiti-like" Nkoli did not breach trademark rights, just used it as an
example. We do need to come up with another name in the near future,
because we cannot release software called Graffiti.
I know most of us are compl
Michael Welter writes:
So, who are they going to sue???
Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
result.
Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti trademark .. can't
you just overlook
On 7/29/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I don't think your finger will slide around the screen easily enough
> to make it work. Even if it does it will leave lots of smears on the
> screen. Also I don't see that typing is any slower than graffiti if
> the keyboard is well designed.
Nkoli writes:
>
>Quikwriting's different-but-easier alphabet implementation is quite
>interesting and may be the best way to get good handwriting recognition. I
>was thinking handwriting recognition that can be used with fingers because
>of all the interest in finger based apps, since most people w
result.
Interface would be Graffiti-like (I used upper and lowercase G to denote
trademark and such as Giles mentioned). The name would certainly have
nothing to do with Graffiti. The words finger + graffiti just happens to be
the simplest combination to define what I had in mind.
Quikwriting&#
>So, who are they going to sue???
Nobody. Having a trademark means defending it in instances where it's
used in ways that the holder didn't intend, and I've pointed out that
this _is_ one of those instances. I don't intend to continue pointing it
out if people persist, but I think I've done my par
Michael Welter writes:
>So, who are they going to sue???
Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
result.
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On 30 Jul 2007, at 01:38, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote:
Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want
to find some alternate terminology.
Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
It's a dicti
"David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger" writes:
>Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
>trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to
>find some alternate terminology.
>
>Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
Much as I've liked Graffiti on my Pa
lling
through areas that aren't primarily text based. The benefits of this
finger graffiti are that it has a learning curve of zero, eliminates
hunting and pecking so anyone can write quickly without needing to get
used to the onscreen keyboard. Oh yeah, it's as fast as you can move
your
y holes in the text recognition. Also, a find as you write
> feature will be handy for finding folders in the main menu, names in
> the contact list or numbers in the logs, basically reducing scrolling
> through areas that aren't primarily text based. The benefits of this
> finger gr
arily text based. The benefits of this finger
graffiti are that it has a learning curve of zero, eliminates
hunting and pecking so anyone can write quickly without needing to
get used to the onscreen keyboard. Oh yeah, it's as fast as you can
move your fingers and it can easily be don
n the text
recognition. Also, a find as you write feature will be handy for finding
folders in the main menu, names in the contact list or numbers in the logs,
basically reducing scrolling through areas that aren't primarily text based.
The benefits of this finger graffiti are that it has
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