Re: FoxyTag
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Kyle Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: If you're speeding, you're already breaking the law. Good people have an ethical imperative to ignore and oppose unjust law. Good people also have an ethical imperative to be aware of accident blackspots, regardless of the speed they are driving at. very good people can do both ;) but that's not the point. I asked one the foxytag forum and foxytag can also use an internal gps :D just have to wait until freerunner is available for sell. -- Il y a 10 types de personnes, ceux qui savent, et ceux qui ne savent pas... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Jun 2008, at 12:06, Mathieu Rochette wrote: I recently discover the foxytag project . I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D amAze will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based. I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that maybe java apps for mobile phone require specific library. can anyone tell me a bit about all this ? Looks a bit ugly to me. I've thought about this type of application a little bit because I'd love to write one and IMO this type of program doesn't need a GUI. The program should, IMO, just run as a daemon, loading the gatso locations at startup, and checking continuously to see if any are nearby. There's no need to see the location of the gatso, it should merely emit audio upon approach to the danger zone. The audio can repeat as the unit approaches the gatso, getting louder with proximity. This somewhat accommodates whether you're driving straight at the danger zone, or whether it appears likely to pass nearby - without streetdata it's impossible to know whether the road you're on continues straight or curves, so one can't know for sure whether the camera will be passed or avoided, but if the alert sound increases volume based on rate-of-distance-change (congruity?) it'll be pretty intuitive to the driver, I think (diagram here if I had the time). I don't think it's at all necessary to incorporate roadmap data - I think the system can provide perfect warning without it, based on direction and speed-of-approach. that's a damn good idea! I don't really see any benefit of a visual display and it gets in the way of using any other GPS application (such as Google maps, which is sure never to carry camera-location data); I'm cynical over amazegps - why is it free if it's any good? Isn't it going to pop up advertising all over my phone? Last time I looked into this - perhaps two years ago - I'm sure there was a free Gatso camera location database available, for the UK, at least. However all I can find now is pocketgpsworld.com and www.scdb.info/en/, which both take user-submitted data and then charge a subscription back for it. At least the pocketgpsworld.com one does look like a pretty good source of data, regularly updated, covering Europe used by off-duty coppers themselves, but it's not free in any sense of the term. Looking on scdb.info at a road I travelled down this evening, I'm immediately pretty sure I can spot errors - regular road surveillance cameras marked as speed-traps. The download link at http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_kingdom/ safety/GATSO_UK.html has CSV files with 4200 locations (80% UK coverage?), but it's not clear if these are up-to-date, as it seems to be implied that they come from scdb.info. However the same site has lists of accident blackspots which may benefit those concerned about road safety who feel themselves immune to the risk of prosecution. http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_kingdom/safety/ Accident_Black_Spots-UK.html donwloading the file to offline access is good only if you want to know about fixed speed cam. what I want is to know about mobile speed cam (eg: policemen check speed for only two hours at some spot). and these cam can't be register in POI files; The FoxyTag collaborative thing sounds productive, so an alternative FoxyTag client might be appealing. It looks like a genuine not-for- profit project, but it's not obvious that one can use it offline - ideally one would download a complete data-file and upload one's corrections later. I don't really want to have to take my hands off the wheel to mark my changes to a nearby camera - I'd much rather click on a map on a webpage later to register my votes, and if marking a new camera I'd rather stop my car park to ensure I get as accurate a fix as possible again, register votes on a webpage later can't be use for mobile speed cam. (but Tags posted by FoxyTag are directional, so, tags posted for users driving in the opposite direction won't be signalized to you - what happens if I'm stationary?). you can't register a POI when you're under X km/h (X=I can't remember) Let's say I know that a local camera is only used for video surveillance of road traffic (sadly these too are common in the UK) - it is only for awareness of traffic jams (I read that trafficmaster.co.uk may site such cameras) and does not register speed. But nevertheless many users who know nothing about the different types of cameras keep registering the camera location on the collaborative system. On a system more like OpenStreetMap the wiki features allow me to post don't mark this as a gatso, it isn't, upload a photo of the camera in question and, in the event of dispute, a moderator can block or ban users who get
FoxyTag
Hello, I recently discover the foxytag projecthttp://www.foxytag.com/en/presentation.html. I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D amAze http://www.amazegps.com/welcome.php will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based. I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that maybe java apps for mobile phone require specific library. can anyone tell me a bit about all this ? thx, Mathieu. -- Il y a 10 types de personnes, ceux qui savent, et ceux qui ne savent pas... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Be careful with such software. In germany e.g. such Software is forbidden. Greetings Bastian Mathieu Rochette schrieb: | Hello, | | I recently discover the foxytag project http://www.foxytag.com/en/presentation.html . I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D | amAze http://www.amazegps.com/welcome.php will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based. | | I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that maybe java apps for mobile phone require specific library. | can anyone tell me a bit about all this ? | | thx, Mathieu. | | -- | Il y a 10 types de personnes, ceux qui savent, et ceux qui ne savent pas... | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRCQolYiDScJJ+7QRApVtAKCRI03kwwmjhCqINgYen8YZp6NtcACcDnkj vlzi/sBmMvthvuGdXznLr/Y= =aARQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
On 2008-06-02, at 18:47, Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Be careful with such software. In germany e.g. such Software is forbidden. Are you sure about that? According to FAQ: Laws usually prohibit radars detectors and system that perturb their functions. But FoxyTag is not a radar detector. It simply gives information according to your current position. For example in Poland radar detectors are also forbidden, but almost every GPS navigation system has speed cameras database. BR, Pawel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
On Monday 02 June 2008, Mathieu Rochette wrote: Hello, I recently discover the foxytag projecthttp://www.foxytag.com/en/presentation.html. I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D amAze http://www.amazegps.com/welcome.php will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based. I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that maybe java apps for mobile phone require specific library. can anyone tell me a bit about all this ? thx, Mathieu. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java For FoxyTag the MIDP2 and CLDC requirements look to be covered, but there is no mention of JSR-82 (Java Bluetooth API) and the FAQ says only Bluetooth GPS is supported. This may give rise to the daft situation of having to use an external GPS unit despite an internal one being present. amAze is supposed to work with internal GPS so there's a good chance of it working. This is speculation from looking at the docs as I don't have a Freerunner to try it with...yet ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
If you're speeding, you're already breaking the law. Good people have an ethical imperative to ignore and oppose unjust law. I'd love to see a Trapster[1] app on Openmoko. I was made aware of this project because of the Dash GPS-device which was made in association with FIC/Openmoko, so I've got my fingers crossed. [1] http://www.trapster.com/ On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Pawel Kowalak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-06-02, at 18:47, Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Be careful with such software. In germany e.g. such Software is forbidden. Are you sure about that? According to FAQ: Laws usually prohibit radars detectors and system that perturb their functions. But FoxyTag is not a radar detector. It simply gives information according to your current position. For example in Poland radar detectors are also forbidden, but almost every GPS navigation system has speed cameras database. BR, Pawel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ok, i'm not 100% correct. It seems that this technic is somewhere in a gray zone.Some people, e.g. a policeman who told me, think it would fall under §23 StVO. But this seems to be not clear. See (german): http://www.focus.de/auto/zubehoer/radar-warner_aid_28126.html English translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fauto%2Fzubehoer%2Fradar-warner_aid_28126.htmlhl=deie=UTF8sl=detl=en Greetings Bastian Pawel Kowalak schrieb: | On 2008-06-02, at 18:47, Bastian Muck wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | Be careful with such software. In germany e.g. such Software is | forbidden. | | Are you sure about that? According to FAQ: | | Laws usually prohibit radars detectors and system that perturb their | functions. But FoxyTag is not a radar detector. It simply gives | information according to your current position. | | For example in Poland radar detectors are also forbidden, but almost | every GPS navigation system has speed cameras database. | | BR, Pawel | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIRHt3lYiDScJJ+7QRAoyyAJ9QvMZOiCT0+b8kXdUFpIBBS11BVQCeNfJ9 wraWV7BNi/EgMJFvXApMQGw= =kbey -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
Mathieu Rochette wrote: I recently discover the foxytag project http://www.foxytag.com/en/presentation.html . I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D amAze http://www.amazegps.com/welcome.php will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based. I figure that it will be easy to use the Freerunner GPS chip with a simple daemon that check your position and that rings when you're near to some POIs that could be easily read from a file generated using the public and free maps of speed cameras available on the Net. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag. Political aspects.
On 2 Jun 2008, at 20:29, Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/6/2 Mathieu Rochette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I recently discover the foxytag project . I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D hopefully not, those things are odious. maybe stick to the speed limit? Hi there, Can we try to avoid a flamewar on the list, please? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FoxyTag
On 2 Jun 2008, at 12:06, Mathieu Rochette wrote: I recently discover the foxytag project . I'm wondering if this apps could run on the freerunner, if so I'll definitly buy one :D amAze will soon integrate foxytag but I think the software requierement are the same as each apps is a java-based. I don't know if a jvm is available for openmoko, and I think that maybe java apps for mobile phone require specific library. can anyone tell me a bit about all this ? Looks a bit ugly to me. I've thought about this type of application a little bit because I'd love to write one and IMO this type of program doesn't need a GUI. The program should, IMO, just run as a daemon, loading the gatso locations at startup, and checking continuously to see if any are nearby. There's no need to see the location of the gatso, it should merely emit audio upon approach to the danger zone. The audio can repeat as the unit approaches the gatso, getting louder with proximity. This somewhat accommodates whether you're driving straight at the danger zone, or whether it appears likely to pass nearby - without streetdata it's impossible to know whether the road you're on continues straight or curves, so one can't know for sure whether the camera will be passed or avoided, but if the alert sound increases volume based on rate-of-distance-change (congruity?) it'll be pretty intuitive to the driver, I think (diagram here if I had the time). I don't think it's at all necessary to incorporate roadmap data - I think the system can provide perfect warning without it, based on direction and speed-of-approach. I don't really see any benefit of a visual display and it gets in the way of using any other GPS application (such as Google maps, which is sure never to carry camera-location data); I'm cynical over amazegps - why is it free if it's any good? Isn't it going to pop up advertising all over my phone? Last time I looked into this - perhaps two years ago - I'm sure there was a free Gatso camera location database available, for the UK, at least. However all I can find now is pocketgpsworld.com and www.scdb.info/en/, which both take user-submitted data and then charge a subscription back for it. At least the pocketgpsworld.com one does look like a pretty good source of data, regularly updated, covering Europe used by off-duty coppers themselves, but it's not free in any sense of the term. Looking on scdb.info at a road I travelled down this evening, I'm immediately pretty sure I can spot errors - regular road surveillance cameras marked as speed-traps. The download link at http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_kingdom/ safety/GATSO_UK.html has CSV files with 4200 locations (80% UK coverage?), but it's not clear if these are up-to-date, as it seems to be implied that they come from scdb.info. However the same site has lists of accident blackspots which may benefit those concerned about road safety who feel themselves immune to the risk of prosecution. http://www.gps-data-team.com/poi/united_kingdom/safety/ Accident_Black_Spots-UK.html The FoxyTag collaborative thing sounds productive, so an alternative FoxyTag client might be appealing. It looks like a genuine not-for- profit project, but it's not obvious that one can use it offline - ideally one would download a complete data-file and upload one's corrections later. I don't really want to have to take my hands off the wheel to mark my changes to a nearby camera - I'd much rather click on a map on a webpage later to register my votes, and if marking a new camera I'd rather stop my car park to ensure I get as accurate a fix as possible (but Tags posted by FoxyTag are directional, so, tags posted for users driving in the opposite direction won't be signalized to you - what happens if I'm stationary?). Let's say I know that a local camera is only used for video surveillance of road traffic (sadly these too are common in the UK) - it is only for awareness of traffic jams (I read that trafficmaster.co.uk may site such cameras) and does not register speed. But nevertheless many users who know nothing about the different types of cameras keep registering the camera location on the collaborative system. On a system more like OpenStreetMap the wiki features allow me to post don't mark this as a gatso, it isn't, upload a photo of the camera in question and, in the event of dispute, a moderator can block or ban users who get involved in edit wars. The contentiousness of gatso-warning alarms suggests that it is unlikely to be incorporated into OpenStreetMap, however - see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/ Speed_trap. Personally, I think this is well and good - the issue appears to evoke strong views without much room for consensus (the split of opinion seems to be 50/50) and it's less divisive to just have a dedicated site for those who want
