a new debug board project? Thank you.
Werner Almesberger wrote:
[ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just
Freerunner's Future ]
Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the
mechanical design and modeling
just
Freerunner's Future ]
Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the
mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related
to the project.
Great ! I think redoing the GTA02 case should be a project on its
own, independent from
my favourite sony ericsson bug is the one where it waits till your
memory stick (blergh) is almost totally full (with precious memories
etc), and then wraps round and overwrites the FAT, followed by a this
card is not formatted message. I'd link to the bug report but, erm,
well, there is no
that change direction a clearer name than just
Freerunner's Future ]
Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the
mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related
to the project.
Great ! I think redoing the GTA02 case
to whomever does this, please put a small stylus into a recess in the
new case :)
On 06/18/09 20:18, Werner Almesberger wrote:
[ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just
Freerunner's Future ]
Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I
[ Let's give threads that change direction a clearer name than just
Freerunner's Future ]
Fabian Sch?lzel wrote:
I'm not an engineer, but a draftsman, so I could also help with the
mechanical design and modeling of the case and other things related
to the project.
Great ! I think redoing
Werner Almesberger wrote:
But I think a case-making project that follows the same approach as
gta02-core, namely reconstructing and prototyping the existing
design with Free tools (and making some small changes) could be
rather useful for establishing the know-how that can later be used
for
Tully have some very good ideas on how to change the 02 case and get rid
of some annoyances--
bring the screen flush with the surface, reduce the parts count. And I
had a camera solution that
looked promising. Write me if you decide to go down this path and I'll
explain our ideas
Fabian
flush screen would be a winner for me
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:
Tully have some very good ideas on how to change the 02 case and get rid
of some annoyances--
bring the screen flush with the surface, reduce the parts count. And I
had a camera
On Jun 11 20:20-0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
snip
Even in the hardware area, there's more than just low-risk
implementation projects. E.g., there should also be activities that
take on the risky bits and bring them under control. Such pioneer
efforts can then be integrated into the next
Also, we haven't touched the whole area of case design and
manufacturing yet.
As a new freerunner owner :) and as a mechanical engineering masters
student, I think this might be an ideal place for me to contribute to
the freerunners future. :)
There's a number of Free CAD tools that should
Adolph J. Vogel wrote:
As a new freerunner owner :) and as a mechanical engineering masters
student, I think this might be an ideal place for me to contribute to
the freerunners future. :)
Yeah ! You may even be able to make this count as a semester or
final project, or similar.
I have done
Am Freitag, 12. Juni 2009 schrieb Werner Almesberger:
The most promising one seems to be HeeksCAD. It has fairly
comprehensive CAM integration and can do parametric modeling via
Python scripts. Salome also looks quite powerful and is perhaps
more mature but appears to lack CAM integration.
BTW, looking at http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/ and
http://www.salome-platform.org/home/presentation/geom/
both are based on the same solid modeller: Open CASCADE
(http://www.opencascade.org, http://opencascade.com/)
From that point of view, it's the same technology behind both.
Yep, if
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
1. That the open source hardware development processes pioneered by
gta02-core get formalized as part of the structure of the new
organization
There's always room for improvements, so I wouldn't nail down too
many details. But the overall goals, i.e., the use of Open
Many thanks to you Christoph,
I always make a habit of returning to decisions I have played a role
in to review my thinking and uncover the mistakes I may have made so
that I can make new ones the next time around. ( hat tip to Werner) I
like very much your idea of a multi purpose platform.
On Wednesday 10 June 2009 09:59:00 Christoph Pulster wrote:
it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone.
Thanks for the very interesting inside views about your decisions, I
really appreciate your way of explaining how things worked out.
I have to revise my opinion about your marketing
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
Scope: What will our mission statement be? Is the foundation just
to support the gta02-core project,
Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on
gta02-core when planning organizational structures for the
future.
The focus of gta02-core is not on making
I would offer this. The vision that Werner has, shared by a good number
of us
( hat tip to Dr Schaller) is to create a process whereby the design
effort can be
shared collaboratively. As I look at the EE design process it is currently
controlled at several points by closed proprietary systems.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote:
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
Scope: What will our mission statement be? Is the foundation just
to support the gta02-core project,
Just a quick remark: please don't concentrate too much on
gta02-core when planning
Harald Welte-3 wrote:
Thanks for your update, Sean!
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side
(trademarks).
I'm
Jeremy
I really appreciate your email. Your words cheered us all up at the office.
-Sean
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make. To those
who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work. I wish the
best for your future
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:54 PM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote:
[snip]
I created this page (just a draft) :
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition
[/snip]
I've started some brainstorming on this page at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_transition#Community_Organization
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote:
You can view the situation also as an opportunity to change some
of the structure of the project. Openmoko Inc. had certain
constraints due to the way it was conceived. Some of them looked
good at the beginning but
Steve Mosher a écrit :
see inlined.
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
(...)
Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
sort of code. The other activities open to me thus far (like bug
testing and
+1 to LI
+1/2 to Mozilla
-2 to LiMo
2009/6/7 swap38 swa...@openmoko-fr.org:
Steve Mosher a écrit :
see inlined.
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
(...)
Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
with. Up till now I've not really had the skills to contribute any
Swap.
Thanks. There are many options available to OM. I'm sure they all be
considered
Steve
swap38 wrote:
Steve Mosher a écrit :
see inlined.
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
(...)
Organizing an Openmoko Foundation is something I'd really like to help
with. Up till now I've not
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, swap38swa...@openmoko-fr.org wrote:
good news :-)
Like jeremy I'm not enough skilled to contribute in code and I'm
probably less skilled than him in management.
But I want to help as much as I can.
There's 2 solutions for a foundation :
1 - create a brand
My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
(which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
of the cost.
Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been
difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like
LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next
moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with
mass collaboration.
how so? iphone/pre/blackberry/winmo all offer similarly
On Saturday 06 June 2009 09:27:06 Harald Welte wrote:
This would
mean that e.g. every PC mainboard would have to pay the MP3 royalties,
They would have to pay for every single audio codec but also for videos, file
systems, network protocol…
--
Vincent MEURISSE
Dale,
The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
that it will be achieved by a
Dale Schumacher wrote:
If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
demoralized) volunteers.
You can view the situation also as an
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesbergerwer...@openmoko.org wrote:
The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the
mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making
new ones ;-)
- Werner
Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that.
I
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Ben Wong wrote:
My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
(which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
of the cost.
Not to disagree, I'd
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote:
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of
mp3 decode is required to apply for a
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us
somewhere where most of us want to go.
Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ?
It can be a good way to manage projects, communities ... and maybe money
? ;-)
--
David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt timschm...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote:
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
the position,
held by some, that any hardware that is merely
Al Johnson wrote:
On Saturday 06 June 2009, Harald Welte wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:26:42PM -0700, Steve Mosher wrote:
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
the position, held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of
mp3 decode
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 15:59 +0200, swap38 wrote:
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit :
I'd like to see some kind of democratic structure created to guide us
somewhere where most of us want to go.
Do you think about a kind of Openmoko Foundation like Wikimedia or Mozilla ?
It can be a good way to
Steve Mosher a écrit :
Community,
To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by
Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
appropriate place in the wiki.
Any takers?
Hi Steve,
I created this page (just a draft) :
On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
side (trademarks).
Please remember
Thanks Christoph for your clarification. I have a minor quibble with
your characterization.
When Openmoko started as a project in FIC, it started with a Vision.
That vision was to create a open mobile
phone. Its the job of marketing to message that vision to the customer.
Thats what
we did.
true,
But although I didn't do any actual testing myself, I read that
conversion mp3--ogg sometimes doesn't sound good
y
On 6/5/09, Pieter Colpaert freep...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it's a bad idea in general to discuss the topic. MP3's are non
free and should not be used by any openmoko-user.
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
the position,
held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
required
to apply for a license. MP3 was removed from our images long ago and
from the
repositories. The requirements of the license
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote:
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
the position,
held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
required
to apply for a license.
So these dolts want a license
2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt timschm...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosherst...@openmoko.com wrote:
I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
the position,
held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
required
to apply
Christoph Pulster wrote:
I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention.
openmoko-kernel used to be very busy. Now it's a bit more quiet
with kernel maintenance being rearranged, but I expect it to
pick up some more activity again before too long.
Also, these days, the
Hi Steve,
Steve Mosher wrote:
1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it
as such. As I am to understand, the core philosophy of Openmoko is the
Free the Phone. There are many platform hardware
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wonglists.bo...@bshed.com wrote:
Steve Mosher wrote:
1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it
as such.
...snip...
Free the phone; we already have
David,
Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
info on that for a long time.
You have a good memory! :-)
Yes, we were working with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on
our patent strategy.
There was a decision of the US Supreme Court that undid some of
Christoph,
Openmoko phones are MP3-free and thus do not infringe on any MP3
intellectual property.
Wolfgang
Christoph Pulster wrote:
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
support in areas like the
Layoffs are always sad, and never an easy decision to make. To those
who are leaving the company, thanks for the great work. I wish the
best for your future endeavours and hope that you are able to remain
in the community in some way.
I know I haven't really contributed much to the project.
WOW
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Thanks Jeremy for your kind words. I've copied pat meier Johnson our
PR person on the thread. Like you we believe there is a great positive
story here. In addition, I've copied some of the key people in the
Openmoko community to get their reaction to your ideas
Jeremy McNaughton wrote:
Sean, thanks for the update !
It is unfortunate that Openmoko Inc. cannot presently continue to
lead the development of the open phone. But then, many a great
undertaking has required more than one effort before reaching its
goal. Anything that brings us closer to that goal is a success in
Thanks for your update, Sean!
It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in support
of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with support in
areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal side (trademarks).
I'm happy to see this transition and
Dear Community,
As some of you have heard, we had a layoff at Openmoko on Monday, May
25th. First of all let me second the comments made here congratulating
the Openmoko team on all that was accomplished. And let me add that
everything accomplished was only possible because of the amazing
efforts
Hi Sean,
Thanks for all the fish :) [fortunatly without a So long and in the
beggining] and most of all thanks for communicating all this.
Most companies are not so bravely outspoken, and I'm only sad it didn't
go better in the end. As a phoenix, it has the potential to rebirth
as a glorious
Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something
unique. i spent some time thinking about how I want to organize
the community responses. I have a list of FAQs from werner ( somewhere
here in the pile of mail) and I want to solicit ideas from the community
on what OM
Steve,
Is this going to affect OM trying to find us Americans someone to
implement all of the pending hardware fixes?
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:
Thanks Sean for the kind words and for the opportunity to do something
unique. i spent some time
No, it will not impact the program.
I just sealed the deal on that this morning! of course there are
details to be worked out so watch this space.
1. we sent out instructions to all the disty a while back.
2. one of our North american partners had requested the package to
perform the
Hi Sean,
Thanks for the honesty. I'd like to echo Rui's thank you - I've survived a
couple of lay-offs in my day, and I know it's not pleasant for anyone
involved. I hope that OpenMoko thrives in it's new form.
I've been using my FR as my daily phone for about 6 months now, first with
QtE and
Community,
To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by
Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
appropriate place in the wiki.
Any takers?
After the FAQ gets incorporated then we can start to fill it up.
Also, I want to start a wish list
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:
Community,
To start off I have this list of proposed FAQs kindly generated by
Werner. I'm going to ask for a volunteer to incorpoate this into an
appropriate place in the wiki.
Any takers?
Hello Steve.
- How will
Hi Nelson,
Thanks good to hear from you. I really enjoyed the pictures you gave
me from our
last time together in Taipei. Anything you can do to help will be
appreciated.
Steve
Nelson Castillo wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.
I wouldn't be so much sure.
Don't forget about GizmoForYou project with its Flow,
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote:
For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
expect another Free Software phone to come up anytime soon.
I wouldn't
Thanks Sean for this announcement!
It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard
rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we
have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones
around the world, various open/free distros to run on the
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org
wrote:
For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves enough to last long, as I don't
expect another Free Software
Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
Thanks Sean for this announcement!
It's appreciated to get a status update from OM of things we've heard
rumors of. I'm very happy that OM got this far with the phones: we
have some tens of thousands (better guess anyone?) of Linux phones
around the world, various
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Dave Ball openm...@underhand.org wrote:
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 12:30:21AM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org
wrote:
For now, I'm hoping my Freerunner improves
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.
-Charles
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.
-Charles
Actually, X.org supports it (google for
Kelvie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how it's supported by the hardware, but
we're limited by X.org.
-Charles
Actually, X.org
I agree, one of the coolest features of the IPhone is its multi touch
capability to zoom or do multi select.
Scott
Charles Pax wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware
revision? I remember hearing something about how it's supported by the
hardware, but we're
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:09:41 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
babbled:
Kelvie Wong wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will we ever see multi-touch on the current Freerunner hardware revision? I
remember hearing something about how
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