El Wednesday, 17 de June de 2009 07:49:16 Evgeniy Karyakin va escriure:
More offtopic: how about not to start new thread with every mail
from you? For reading this ML I use GMail web interface and ~95% of
messages from you are shown as new threads despite that messages are
obviously replies
. El Wednesday, 17 de June de 2009 07:49:16 Evgeniy Karyakin va escriure:
More offtopic: how about not to start new thread with every mail
from you? For reading this ML I use GMail web interface and ~95% of
messages from you are shown as new threads despite that messages are
obviously replies
To avoid getting duplicates (when a person sends a mail To or Cc you
and the list at the same time) one just needs to set his personal
preferences (and for most ML it's default to avoid duplicates), for
mailman it's described in [1].
[1]
On 6/06/2009 6:26 PM, arne anka wrote:
stop answering to me at all!
From one dolt to another, stop trying to convert threads with your own
agenda and answer the original frakkin question, or ask your own ... or
stay silent and this won't happen.
You have some worthwhile input when you stay
On 3/06/2009 6:32 PM, arne anka wrote:
Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?
that's how i understood it.
Well you'd be wrong again. There's an old saying about assumptions but
I'll leave that up to you to research, or you could just take a stab at
it as you
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote:
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot options
can not
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:15, Rask Ingemann Lambertsenr...@sygehus.dk wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 10:32:27AM +0200, arne anka wrote:
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
jffs2 is the
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot
options
can not be read.
Qi can read the kernel from NAND simply because
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 21:42, arne ankaopenm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
now i see, that indeed qi with flash has at least ... limited usability,
because obviously due to jffs2 support (however that is possible, since
jffs2 is the first fs of the freerunner) that file appending boot
options
can
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 09:13:20PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
Now imagine i see a message from some person, with some ML (i'm
subscribed to Cc'd). Also there's like 5 persons in Cc list, that are
addressed explicitly because they have something to do with the topic
(like they're subsystem
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org wrote:
NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
has limitations compared to SD. While technically possible to bring
NAND support in Qi on par with SD, I think it would just make things
more
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 08:55:58AM +0200, Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
Hi!
I use the distribution on NAND as an SD card reader. I load the OS,
connect to my laptop,
and I write the new distro to the uSD card. It is impossible to do it
on the same
SD card, from where the OS is running. You cant
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Martin Jansa martin.ja...@gmail.com wrote:
Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC..
I dont have uSD card reader on my laptop. And I bought it 3 months ago.
My previous laptop had SD card reader, but never worked with linux.
(I would
more complicated and lure people into using NAND whereas SD is the
future.
In the GTA03 design, we would not have used NAND for anything but
storing Qi and read-only factory data. Likewise, for gta02-core, I
wouldn't consider using u-boot.
my experience is, that nand is far more reliable
El Thursday, 4 de June de 2009 09:56:36 Martin Jansa va escriure:
Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC.. but
I always feel bad when I have to remove back-cover. How long can that
plastic fixtures hold back-cover tight and reliably?
I have done it at least 600
2009/6/4 Jose Luis Perez Diez perezd...@gmail.com:
El Thursday, 4 de June de 2009 09:56:36 Martin Jansa va escriure:
Its easy to reformat or repair system on SD cart with laptop or PC.. but
I always feel bad when I have to remove back-cover. How long can that
plastic fixtures hold back-cover
Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
I use the distribution on NAND as an SD card reader.
Hmm, I think we have to distinguish between things you can do and
things that actually make sense here ;-)
Once you've started to fill the niches, it's always unpleasant to
change. That's one reason why it's difficult to
arne anka wrote:
- what reasons make you say, sd is the future?
The main reasons are:
- much easier handling. SD is like a disk, so you can use all the
standard tools and get standard behaviour. NAND needs a lot of
exceptional treatment to properly address wear and factory-bad
blocks.
Oh did I say that questioning Qi was spreading FUD and mail congestion?
that's how i understood it.
My apologies. I'll rephrase. Criticising features you know nothing about
in a thread about a question you contributed nothing to is spreading FUD
and causing mail congestion.
what exactly is
roguem...@roguewrt.org wrote:
I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time.
I think it's best to consider Qi as an SD-centric solution and to
plan migrating towards SD.
NAND support is only there because of the GTA01/GTA02 legacy and it
has limitations compared to SD. While technically
Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that
/boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.
No additional configuration was required, I flashed Qi and it just worked.
Kind regards,
Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that
/boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.
how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki
is done by
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:19 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
Just to provide another data point for those in doubt, I run Qi with
SHR on the NAND, and no uSD install. The only issue I have is that
/boot on the NAND is not respected/read, but I can live with that.
how does one add
My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is
a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions
for ROOTFS and KERNEL.
that's what i understood and i specifically looked into the wiki, to make
sure i understood right.
still, if /boot/ is not read,
On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:28:07 pm Cameron Frazier wrote:
My understanding is that not respecting the /boot/append-GTA0[123] is
a NAND-only hardcoded limitation, since NAND has different partitions
for ROOTFS and KERNEL.
I suspect that it's more to do with the fact that Qi only understands
On 2/06/2009 11:19 PM, arne anka wrote:
how does one add additional kernel arguments, which according to the wiki
is done by creating a file /boot/append-GTA0[123]?
oops, sorry. i forgot, questioning qi is spreading fud and causing mail
congestion ...
Oh did I say that questioning Qi was
Hi folks,
Am I right in thinking that if you are using Qi and have flashed a JFFS2 image
to your NAND which has a /boot with a kernel in it then it will boot that
kernel in preference to the one that you have flashed directly with dfu-util ?
cheers,
Chris
--
Chris Samuel :
Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org writes:
Am I right in thinking that if you are using Qi and have flashed a JFFS2
image
to your NAND which has a /boot with a kernel in it then it will boot that
kernel in preference to the one that you have flashed directly with
dfu-util ?
No, Qi doesn't
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes:
No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
bummer.
how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash
as primary device and forces to boot from sd card.
not sensible imo.
How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to
No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
bummer.
how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal
flash
as primary device and forces to boot from sd card.
not sensible imo.
How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to dedicated
nand partition?
as far as i
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes:
as far as i understood from the qi discussions, qi does not use that
partition but looks for a specific file in a specific location, make the
kernel nand partition unnecessary.
so, if it can't read jffs2, one cannot boot from flash.
You should have
You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead.
well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time.
if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do
not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code.
would you please stop, to cc me always and
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:02 pm Paul Fertser wrote:
No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
That's what I thought.
But, in that case, how come my Om2009 phone boots into 2.6.29-rc2 (which is
in /boot in the JFFS2 image) and not to the 2.6.28 image I've flashed to it ?
Flashed with:
dfu-util -d
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes:
You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead.
well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time.
if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do
not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code.
Source
Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org writes:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:02 pm Paul Fertser wrote:
No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
That's what I thought.
But, in that case, how come my Om2009 phone boots into 2.6.29-rc2 (which is
in /boot in the JFFS2 image) and not to the 2.6.28 image I've
flashed
Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on
device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how
it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled
with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere can't get you any clear
understanding of
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:49:11 pm Paul Fertser wrote:
File name is wrong, the kernel is 2.6.29 actually. Look at the git
hash.
Ahh, good call, eventually traced it to this to confirm that..
http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob_plain;f=Makefile;hb=f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes:
Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on
device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how
it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled
with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 04:07:10PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this
stupidity.
There's a
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes:
Am Montag, 1. Juni 2009 14:32:26 schrieb Paul Fertser:
Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com writes:
My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that
this list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware
how
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk writes:
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 04:07:10PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote:
My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this
list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this
fucking mailing list works and i had to
On 1/06/2009 9:14 PM, arne anka wrote:
No, Qi doesn't support jffs2.
bummer.
how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash
as primary device and forces to boot from sd card.
not sensible imo.
I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time. Your information
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