Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 19.01.2011 um 05:22 schrieb NeilBrown:

> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:28:52 +1100 Philip Rhoades  wrote:
> 
>> Neil,
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoades  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 People,
 
 I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger
 screen but the video shows about the same size device?
 
>>> 
>>> The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least).  It is a replacement
>>> motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner.  So you use the same case, the same
>>> display, the same touchscreen, the same battery.  Only the motherboard and
>>> the components on it will changed.
>>> 
>>> I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a
>>> thinner case and and and and...  But the chance of getting that as a truly
>>> open device seems pretty slim at the moment.  So I'm happy to compromise and
>>> get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case.
>> 
>> 
>> OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between 
>> the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB?

You may also replace a still working GTA02 Motherboard and reuse the latter
as a small embedded controller. You can connect a serial IF and external
power, insert SIM, SD card and use it as a GPRS/WiFi microcontroller (without
display and touch). And use the GTA04 in the old GTA02 case.

>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Phil.
> 
> I suggest you read what is available at
>   www.gta04.org
> and
>   wiki.gta04.org
> 
> GTA04 is an experiment.  It might not work (you are warned that when trying
> to buy).  The software certainly doesn't work completely yet.  It may never
> unless you contribute.
> It has a faster processor, faster graphics, 3G phone capability and assorted
> other bits and pieces.
> 
> It is an 'engineering component' for people who want to experiment and
> explore.  One day it might be more than that, but today is not that day.

We are working hard to make that day earlier... But for the moment the 
description
is right.

Nikolaus
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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi all,
thanks so far for the suggestions for new pages.

Am 18.01.2011 um 19:00 schrieb Glenn:

> At 14:09 +0100 14/01/11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing.
>> 
>> One part is setting up a web interface to important information.
>> 
>> Therefore, we have now installed
>> 
>>  wiki.gta04.org
>> 
>> which is completely virgin..
>> 
>> To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
>> which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.


I have added a "meta page" to "request" more pages: 

http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/RequestedPages/

> 
> Dear Nikolaus
> 
> A suggestion.
> 
> Is there any possibility that a wiki with Mediawiki-like syntax could be 
> offered instead of the existing? I have just tried the new wiki. ( 
> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/GTA04-revisions/ )
> 
> I think it then would be easier to come from http://wiki.openmoko.org/  - and 
> you can benefit from help in wiki.openmoko.org and 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal and reuse templates 
> and more.

Well, the idea is not to *replace* wiki.openmoko.org which is the Openmoko 
community page.

And it is not intended for heavily editing by users but it is thought to 
provide all the background
information we have collected during the development process.

So it should be the single entry point if someone is specifically interested in 
the GTA04 hardware
and basic software (bootloader, kernel hacking, hardware adaption). But not for 
higher end software.

> I you have already considered multiple wikis, then please tell us your 
> considerations.

Basically we think of two information sources:
a) wiki.openmoko.org

* this  is run by the community and we are just a member
* GTA04 is just another project within the Openmoko community (like GTA01, 
GTA02, SHR, QtMoko etc.)

b) wiki.gta04.org
* this is the project specific wiki (therefore it is part of the Indefero based 
project management tool with its "Markdown" language)
* it links to source files and other resources
* it is the "official" reference maintained by the project management

So I would suggest that editing by the community starts and continues at:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04


Best regards,
Nikolaus
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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Philip Rhoades]

Neil,


On 2011-01-19 15:22, NeilBrown wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:28:52 +1100 Philip Rhoades  wrote:


Neil,


On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoades   wrote:


People,

I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger
screen but the video shows about the same size device?



The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least).  It is a replacement
motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner.  So you use the same case, the same
display, the same touchscreen, the same battery.  Only the motherboard and
the components on it will changed.

I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a
thinner case and and and and...  But the chance of getting that as a truly
open device seems pretty slim at the moment.  So I'm happy to compromise and
get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case.



OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between
the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB?

Thanks,

Phil.


I suggest you read what is available at
www.gta04.org
and
wiki.gta04.org

GTA04 is an experiment.  It might not work (you are warned that when trying
to buy).  The software certainly doesn't work completely yet.  It may never
unless you contribute.
It has a faster processor, faster graphics, 3G phone capability and assorted
other bits and pieces.

It is an 'engineering component' for people who want to experiment and
explore.  One day it might be more than that, but today is not that day.



There's not much there and it doesn't mean much to me - a tabular 
comparison would be good . .


Thanks,

Phil.
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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[NeilBrown]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:28:52 +1100 Philip Rhoades  wrote:

> Neil,
> 
> 
> On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoades  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> People,
> >>
> >> I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger
> >> screen but the video shows about the same size device?
> >>
> >
> > The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least).  It is a replacement
> > motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner.  So you use the same case, the same
> > display, the same touchscreen, the same battery.  Only the motherboard and
> > the components on it will changed.
> >
> > I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a
> > thinner case and and and and...  But the chance of getting that as a truly
> > open device seems pretty slim at the moment.  So I'm happy to compromise and
> > get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case.
> 
> 
> OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between 
> the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phil.

I suggest you read what is available at
   www.gta04.org
and
   wiki.gta04.org

GTA04 is an experiment.  It might not work (you are warned that when trying
to buy).  The software certainly doesn't work completely yet.  It may never
unless you contribute.
It has a faster processor, faster graphics, 3G phone capability and assorted
other bits and pieces.

It is an 'engineering component' for people who want to experiment and
explore.  One day it might be more than that, but today is not that day.

NeilBrown

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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Philip Rhoades]

Neil,


On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoades  wrote:


People,

I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger
screen but the video shows about the same size device?



The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least).  It is a replacement
motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner.  So you use the same case, the same
display, the same touchscreen, the same battery.  Only the motherboard and
the components on it will changed.

I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a
thinner case and and and and...  But the chance of getting that as a truly
open device seems pretty slim at the moment.  So I'm happy to compromise and
get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case.



OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between 
the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB?


Thanks,

Phil.
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Sydney NSW  2001
Australia
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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[NeilBrown]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoades  wrote:

> People,
> 
> I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger 
> screen but the video shows about the same size device?
> 

The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least).  It is a replacement
motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner.  So you use the same case, the same
display, the same touchscreen, the same battery.  Only the motherboard and
the components on it will changed.

I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a
thinner case and and and and...  But the chance of getting that as a truly
open device seems pretty slim at the moment.  So I'm happy to compromise and
get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case.

NeilBrown

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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger 
screen but the video shows about the same size device?


Thanks,

Phil.


On 2011-01-15 02:11, Giovanni wrote:

This sounds like a good idea.

Best regards,
giovanni (aka alien jo)


On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Radek Polak mailto:pson...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

 > To start filling it with really useful information, please let us
know
 > which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.

Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made
during GTA02
development and that could be avoided for GTA04.

E.g.:

- the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people
from buying
GTA02.

- GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software
stack, which
caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers.

Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice.

I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not
just as a
phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded
devices
and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM
modem.
GTA04 could have done the job much better.

Regards

Radek

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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Glenn]

At 14:09 +0100 14/01/11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing.

One part is setting up a web interface to important information.

Therefore, we have now installed

wiki.gta04.org

which is completely virgin..

To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.

Nikolaus

PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet
got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46
in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure
first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the
distributors.

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Dear Nikolaus

A suggestion.

Is there any possibility that a wiki with Mediawiki-like syntax could 
be offered instead of the existing? I have just tried the new wiki. ( 
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/GTA04-revisions/ )


I think it then would be easier to come from 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/  - and you can benefit from help in 
wiki.openmoko.org and 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_portal and reuse 
templates and more.


I you have already considered multiple wikis, then please tell us 
your considerations.


kind regards,

Glenn

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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 18.01.2011 um 12:08 schrieb NeilBrown:

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:09:45 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller"
>  wrote:
> 
>> Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing.
>> 
>> One part is setting up a web interface to important information.
>> 
>> Therefore, we have now installed
>> 
>>  wiki.gta04.org
>> 
>> which is completely virgin..
> 
> So virgin that it takes me to a login page...

That was not intended... I have fixed the access rights.

>> To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
>> which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.
> 
> Surely the main thing is info about each hardware component,
> links to the specifications, how it is addressed/accessed in the GTA04, and
> where its power can be controlled independently.

Ok.

> 
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown

Thanks as well,
Nikolaus


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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[NeilBrown]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 14:09:45 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller"
 wrote:

> Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing.
> 
> One part is setting up a web interface to important information.
> 
> Therefore, we have now installed
> 
>   wiki.gta04.org
> 
> which is completely virgin..

So virgin that it takes me to a login page...

> 
> To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
> which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.

Surely the main thing is info about each hardware component,
links to the specifications, how it is addressed/accessed in the GTA04, and
where its power can be controlled independently.

Thanks,
NeilBrown


> 
> Nikolaus
> 
> PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet
> got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46
> in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure
> first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the
> distributors.
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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Giovanni]

This sounds like a good idea.

Best regards,
giovanni (aka alien jo)


On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Radek Polak  wrote:

> Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
> > which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.
>
> Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made during
> GTA02
> development and that could be avoided for GTA04.
>
> E.g.:
>
> - the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people from
> buying
> GTA02.
>
> - GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software stack,
> which
> caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers.
>
> Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice.
>
> I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not just as
> a
> phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded
> devices
> and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM modem.
> GTA04 could have done the job much better.
>
> Regards
>
> Radek
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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Radek Polak]

Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

> To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
> which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.

Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made during GTA02 
development and that could be avoided for GTA04.

E.g.:

- the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people from buying 
GTA02.

- GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software stack, which 
caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers.

Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice.

I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not just as a 
phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded devices 
and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM modem. 
GTA04 could have done the job much better.

Regards

Radek

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Re: GTA04 Wiki

[Ed Kapitein]

Hi Nikolaus,

What would be a good idea is to have a list with working functionality for the 
device.
That would give people an overview on how usable the device is for  a certain 
task.

for example:
 Yes  No
can send SMS   X
can make voice call   X
working X server X
has working GPS  X

etc

I don't know if it is wise from a buisness point of view, but i would love to 
know how many people have ordered the device yet.

Kind regards,
Ed

On Friday 14 January 2011 14:09:45 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing.
> 
> One part is setting up a web interface to important information.
> 
> Therefore, we have now installed
> 
>   wiki.gta04.org
> 
> which is completely virgin..
> 
> To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
> which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.
> 
> Nikolaus
> 
> PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet
> got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46
> in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure
> first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the
> distributors.
> 
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GTA04 Wiki

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Behind the scenes a lot of things are slowly progressing.

One part is setting up a web interface to important information.

Therefore, we have now installed

wiki.gta04.org

which is completely virgin..

To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know
which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect.

Nikolaus

PS: The early adopter offer is still open since we have not yet
got a quotation for the memory chips (Micron MT29C or MT46
in 168-VFBGA) and those appear to be the most critical to secure
first. The more orders we have the easier it becomes to talk to the
distributors.

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