Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ

2015-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 13.02.2015 um 07:54 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com:

 Hi,
 a short status update for this project:
 
 1. we have reached 42 preorders [1] - please continue to think about ordering 
 one as well…
 2. we plan to integrate a new barometer sensor BME280 with integrated 
 humidity sensor
so the GTA04A5 can be used as weather station - or for checking your room 
 climate (critical for your health and e.g. a piano)
 3. as announced this week, Replicant is working really well and Lukas told me 
 yesterday that he already installed WhatsApp
 
 So we only need to upgrade hardware to catch up a little to Nexus 6 in 
 functionality…
 But the Nexus still has to catch up in openness and hardware documentation :)
 
 BR,
 Nikolaus
 
 
 [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5

I have reveived some questions off-list where I would like to share the answers:

 Are you seriously considering to upgrade hardware? Very cool.

Yes, we constantly monitor what new interesting chips are coming that can be
integrated at low risk. Replacing the BMP085 (which by the way is no longer in
production) is just wiring up 8 pins to a different package.

And, we have to do that anyways since a handful of chips is no longer available
and *must* be replaced. I did give a presentation on OHSW about this topic.

But we have to be careful, since “big” changes (e.g. bigger display, quad-core 
CPU,
LTE) are not possible. They introduce too much risk that the whole board does 
not
work and some do not fit into the existing Openmoko plastic cases.
And they need too much work time to be integrated.

It is like mature software with an architecture designed some years ago that you
touch only if it is easy to touch and does not introduce regressions in 
unexpected
areas. I.e. changing the color or text of a button is ok, changing the menu 
structure
isn't :)

 Is there a recording of your OHSW talk?


OHSW: http://www.ohsw.de
Video: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktugrICZMKIlist=PL-s0IumBit8Mofxj0Fn2kH6RB9VtnKS4KVideo
Slides: 
http://download.goldelico.com/default/Presentations/20141129%20OHSW/3%20GTA04A5%20Project%20Status.pdf

 What about this 5000€ or 1€ target?


This target is not really comparable to a kickstarter limit. It is more thought 
as
an indicator to give a more imaginable (at least I hope) view on the project 
funding
status.

The real target we have is to get 100 preorders (vouchers) at 100 € each. This
is equivalent to a 1€ sum of preorders.

Only if we have reached that, we can seriously go to the production facility and
ask them to give us a quotation (it is some heavy unpaid work for them and I 
don’t
want to go to them just for fun). Only then, we know the real price of building
100 units.

We will then announce the price and ask to pay the difference between the 
voucher
and the final price. If nobody cancels his voucher, we can then start the 
production.

There is one aspect which could make us the 1€ a real goal.

I fear that we do not have much time left over to buy the OPTION GTM601W
3G modules. They are in production for quite a while, but there is no successor.

And as soon as OPTION is no longer able to buy some component inside the
module, they will stop production (maybe they already have stopped and we
don’t know yet). Then we only can buy what is still in some stock. Maybe at 
rising
price. Or we come too late and they say: sorry, we are sold out.

And the OPTION module is one of the deal-breaker components. If we can’t buy
it any more there is no chance to redesign the GTA04A5 board for a replacement
component. Other modules are thicker or bigger - and need a careful design-in
process.

So w/o GTM601 (or DM3730 or memory chip) there can be no GTA04A5. 

In that case, we simply refund the preorder vouchers.

So an option would be to use these vouchers to buy OPTION (pun unintended :)
GTM601W modules.

Then, in case of the project never succeeds, we would not refund the money,
but could send you the module in case the project fails to reach 100 units for
production.

This would transform the voucher for a GTA04A5 into a voucher for a GTM601W
module and a separate one for a GTA04A5 production run later.

But it is too early to really do that step since we just have 42. If we had 75, 
I would
say that we do this risk purchase.

 The campaign is already running for a while and running very slowly.
 Will it ever succeed? When will it considered to be failed?


Well, I don’t know since my crystal ball doesn’t tell that.

And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special 
product
for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit
from it. And since we all are here on these lists, it does not make sense to 
start
a Kickstarter/IndieGoGo for the broad public to get more interested people. And,
there is no benefit of making it a competition against the calendar (4-8 weeks).

Either you are convinced or not. Or change your 

Re: [Gta04-owner] GTA04A5 - status + FAQ

2015-02-13 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller

Am 13.02.2015 um 17:32 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak d...@dosowisko.net:

 Hi,
 
 Thanks for this great follow-up! I have one question:
 
 On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 h...@goldelico.com wrote:
 And yes, this funding campaign runs very slowly. Since it is a very special 
 product
 for a very special target group. Only GTA02 (and GTA01) owners have benefit
 from it.
 
 What about case kits? I remember there was some effort to make it
 possible to replace old GTA02 parts with easier to obtain equivalents,
 so using GTA04 board in self-made case (like 3D printed one) would be
 possible. What's the situation right now?

To go into detail the situation is this:

In addition to the naked motherboard these parts from a GTA01/02 are reused:
a) case (3 black plastic parts plus white speaker box)
b) vibramotor
c) earpiece speaker
d) handsfree/music speaker(s)
e) display panel
f) battery
g) GSM antenna
h) active GPS antenna module

Replacements are
a) there are several STL designs available, even a wooden case looks feasible.
b) we will solder a small(er) vibramotor on the GTA04A5 board, so that it does 
not longer need to be reused.
c) here, we did have a replacement but it is now end of life. We have a 
supplier and catalog for other replacements.
d) they were easily available at Mouser until last summer. So we just have ~25 
pieces left over [1]. But it could be possible to find them on Alibaba.
e) here we have ca. 60 units [2] - and no idea if anyone has stock for more.
f) we still have some stock and maybe other of the well known Openmoko 
distributors as well.
g) here we want to offer a replacement (similar to the green “cucumber” in the 
photo [3]).
h) there are several GPS modules to choose from.

So in summary, we already offer some of the required components and will offer 
others.
But three key components (battery, handsfree speakers and display) are limited 
and w/o good replacments.

BR,
Nikolaus


[1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ASpeaker
[2]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=LCD%20Module
[3]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04%3ACase%20Kit
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GTA04A5 - status

2015-02-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,
a short status update for this project:

1. we have reached 42 preorders [1] - please continue to think about ordering 
one as well…
2. we plan to integrate a new barometer sensor BME280 with integrated humidity 
sensor
so the GTA04A5 can be used as weather station - or for checking your room 
climate (critical for your health and e.g. a piano)
3. as announced this week, Replicant is working really well and Lukas told me 
yesterday that he already installed WhatsApp

So we only need to upgrade hardware to catch up a little to Nexus 6 in 
functionality…
But the Nexus still has to catch up in openness and hardware documentation :)

BR,
Nikolaus


[1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5
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