Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On Nov 22, 2007 2:00 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > > > Hello, > > > I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386). > > What do I need in addition to the loop module: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup -v /dev/loop0 > > /home/tingo/work/openmoko/qtopia-root

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-21 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Hello, > On Nov 16, 2007 11:55 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file? >> >> >> mount it, copy the contents out. > I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386). > What do I need in addition to the loop module: > [EMAIL PRO

RE: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-19 Thread thomas.cooksey
>For someone to claim to "write a C android app", what would be required >would be for the app to communicate with the "Surface Manager" and >display a GUI, and/or communicate with the android databases (phone book, >call log, whatever), and/or communicate with the device drivers (eg, make >a c

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-18 Thread Lalo Martins
Also spracht Jose Manuel Ferrer Mosteiro (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:56:06 +0100): > Final comment: well, it is possible Running a C app in the emulator is almost entirely irrelevant. There's no guarantee the emulator even resembles the final platform -- or for that matter, that the final platform wil

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-18 Thread Doug Sutherland
" The idea is that cellphone manufacturers will be able to use the standard, open (and Linux-based) Android platform for free, to power their future cellphones (the first ones will be out in the second half of next year). And, as you might imagine, the new Google-provided mobile OS will have de

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-18 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
Hello, On Nov 16, 2007 11:55 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file? > > > mount it, copy the contents out. I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386). What do I need in addition to the loop module: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# losetup -v /dev/loop0 /home/t

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-17 Thread hank williams
On Nov 17, 2007 3:04 AM, Dietz Proepper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hank williams: > > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hop

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-17 Thread Andy Powell
On Friday 16 November 2007 12:29, hank williams wrote: > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > > google's Do No Evil slogan

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-17 Thread Jay Vaughan
I do hope and expect android to be open. That said, lets be clear "not open" != evil. You got that backwards, buddy. "Not open" -> evil holds to a much larger extent than the inversion (for you information, that would be "open" -> not evil). You know whats even more evil than "open" o

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-17 Thread Dietz Proepper
hank williams: > On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > > google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. > > > > -Will > > I do hope

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread Jay Vaughan
Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file? mount it, copy the contents out. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
> Take a jffs image from familiar web. > Uncompress the image in a directory. Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file? -- REgards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread hank williams
Yes absolutely I meant !open. And yes I agree with the rest of your statement. Hank On Nov 16, 2007 8:52 AM, Attila Csipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 16 November 2007 13:29:50 hank williams wrote: > > Though I do know many in th open source community feel this way. I don't > > know if

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 16 November 2007 13:29:50 hank williams wrote: > Though I do know many in th open source community feel this way. I don't > know if this was just a slip or if it reflected your real opinions, but if > open is evil, then most every product, device, computer, phone, chip, etc > that we use

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread Jose Manuel Ferrer Mosteiro
I'm thinking about this and ... It is possible use android emulator with gpe or qtopia? Emulator has an arm proccessor. Take a jffs image from familiar web. Uncompress the image in a directory. Copy image to android emulator. chroot it run "ls" Somebody can do it? I have not enough time to test i

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread hank williams
On Nov 14, 2007 2:55 PM, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the > video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that > google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. > > -Will I do hope and expect android to be op

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-16 Thread Jose Manuel Ferrer Mosteiro
Final comment: well, it is possible http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/dffafba924e3a2e6/8a918f852b6499c2?lnk=gst&q=native+c#8a918f852b6499c2 Doug Sutherland escribió: > Cameron wrote > >> Personally.. I think people should stop commenting >> > > If yo

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Sutherland
Cameron wrote > Personally.. I think people should stop commenting If you don't like a comment, there is a delete key. -- Doug ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Jonathon Suggs
st for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:55:48 -0600 I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that goog

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread William Voorhees
I wouldn't say I'm not concerned, but I'm hopeful. In one of the video's Sergy Brin says that it will be "entirely open". I hope that google's Do No Evil slogan takes hold. -Will On Nov 14, 2007 1:34 PM, Festival.Star <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah that is true but Googles saying: > > "Over ti

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Festival.Star
Yeah that is true but Googles saying: "Over time, more of the code that makes up Android will be released, but at this point, we have been concentrating on shipping an SDK that helps application developers get started. In short: Stay tuned." But what does "over time" mean, that can be 2 months bu

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Kyle Bassett
See, we all think M$ sucks and Google rocks, but we have to remember they are still a business. If M$ wasn't doing such a poor job, then Google may not be so highly regarded today. OpenMoko all the way! -Kyle On Nov 13, 2007 9:51 PM, Doug Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah it seems li

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread William Voorhees
upon further inspection it looks like your right, though I am still hopeful based upon this entry in the FAQ. http://code.google.com/android/kb/licensingandoss.html Assuming that this is true, it only strengthens the case of the Neo 1973 and openmoko project. If the 850mhz issue resolved, I'll b

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Martin Kirchgessner
2007/11/14, William Voorhees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > that's what I thought, till I found this: > > http://git.android.com/ > > -WIll > Don't be fooled it's only the kernel sources: they have to publish them, as required by the GPL. What about the libs sources? The VM? Marty __

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread Andy Powell
On Wednesday 14 November 2007 05:02, Cameron Braid wrote: > Personally.. I think people should stop commenting on how they dislike > another toolkit.. Either use it, or don't - its your choice. > Perhaps that could also work for mailing lists when people don;t like what other people decide to wri

RE: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-14 Thread thomas.cooksey
>Currently, Android sucks big time, IMO. Google has no announced plans >for allowing developers to write any C/C++ applications. Well I've managed to get a native C "hello world" running under the android emulator, so it is possible to run native C/C++ applications. "All" we need to do is work o

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-13 Thread Cameron Braid
Personally.. I think people should stop commenting on how they dislike another toolkit.. Either use it, or don't - its your choice. Both OpenMoko and Android take different approaches, which appeal to different developers, and to me that is fantastic. Cameron. On Nov 14, 2007 2:23 PM, William V

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-13 Thread William Voorhees
that's what I thought, till I found this: http://git.android.com/ -WIll On Nov 13, 2007 8:51 PM, Doug Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah it seems like this Android is for phone companies, > or that's google's current "spaghetti on the wall" idea. > Even if it sticks, if they're just tr

Re: Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Sutherland
Yeah it seems like this Android is for phone companies, or that's google's current "spaghetti on the wall" idea. Even if it sticks, if they're just trying to make it some "standard" for "companies", what will that buy the techie user? Nada. I'm finding it hard to motivate myself to even look at

Gphone isn't open, linux dev not possible

2007-11-13 Thread Bill Cox
Hi, guys. Currently, Android sucks big time, IMO. Google has no announced plans for allowing developers to write any C/C++ applications. All you get is their non-standard Java. I think this basically makes it just like all the other stupid "smart" phones. There's tons of stuff we could port to