Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
Thanks Nikolaus for your answers. As the discussion on the developpement of GTA04 flies too high over my electronics skills level, I can't estimate the progress easily. (But I don't doubt of it!) As we discuss in the french forums, we think that the MiniBook should keep the capacity to be link the the AlwaysInnovating tablet. So we will *try* to expand this device, without removing anything. The two more important things to add are GPS GSM BT (perhaps). And let the device capable of future openings. I'm waiting for more returns from users, and will aks A.I. for a collaboration in intergrating such fonctiunalities. With the help of your references, we will try to have the same chips used for a question of portability. I think that GTA04 this hypothetic device would be nice to live together. The A.I. could be a 'lite' equipped device, cheaper, and GTA04 a full featured one. What do you think of this approach ? That line drawn, we will have a clear view of how to work. Regards, AsThrO On 06/10/2010 07:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, looks like an interesting project to build a wireless MID. I want to suggest that you base your design on the GTA04, since it is far more developed as you might think, but also far from being complete... Let's say it is in the middle of the ocean but heads towards its destination. We are currently redesigning it a little so that you can not only use the GTA04 board as a new motherboard for the GTA02 plastics, but also as a module to attach a different LCM and other peripherals (e.g. QWERTY keyboard controller). This is done by adding two board-to-board connectors on the display side. The UMTS solution of the GTA04 is based on the OPTION GTM501. On the software side we have Debian Lenny (which can be the base of QtMoko). There are also Android ports and SHR should not be too dfifficult to adapt. If you need more information or help, please feel free to ask. BR, Nikolaus Am 05.10.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ: On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ? How much does this cost ? Does this chip is sold in other factor ? ... (1) http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !
05.10.2010 15:56, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет: On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit : Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool. Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there? Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm board? (FR's or others). Maksim In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap. Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly ! This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work with them. - Hello Thomas, Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an interesting opportunity. As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view: what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see the working-together process? Best, Alexandre - Always Innovating Team --- Tada ! Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project with the base of the A.I.'s MID. As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster ! I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work. So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session ! Asthro, so happy ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I think to have 5 or 7 mpx back camera will be very nice feature. As for me, this is very important feature. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit : Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool. Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there? Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm board? (FR's or others). Maksim In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap. Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly ! This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work with them. - Hello Thomas, Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an interesting opportunity. As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view: what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see the working-together process? Best, Alexandre - Always Innovating Team --- Tada ! Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project with the base of the A.I.'s MID. As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster ! I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work. So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session ! Asthro, so happy ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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WOW! I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open hardware! giovanni (aka alien jo) On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.frwrote: On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit : Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool. Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there? Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm board? (FR's or others). Maksim In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap. Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly ! This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work with them. - Hello Thomas, Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an interesting opportunity. As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view: what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see the working-together process? Best, Alexandre - Always Innovating Team --- Tada ! Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project with the base of the A.I.'s MID. As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster ! I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work. So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session ! Asthro, so happy ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 05/10/2010 14:33, Giovanni wrote: WOW! I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open hardware! giovanni (aka alien jo) I really hope too, And that's why I try this collaboration. I think it's the best way to do something efficient rapid. You can help if you want ! Rgds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2010-10...@10:56 Thomas HOCEDEZ [...] Tada ! Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project with the base of the A.I.'s MID. As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster ! [...] ooh wow! this topic switched to the cool side! *_* they made an U-turn! maybe I'll buy a new gadget in the near future... ;) you ruuulez guys! \m/, -- ALFA21 IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.frwrote: On 05/10/2010 14:33, Giovanni wrote: WOW! I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open hardware! giovanni (aka alien jo) I really hope too, And that's why I try this collaboration. I think it's the best way to do something efficient rapid. You can help if you want ! Rgds ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ? How much does this cost ? Does this chip is sold in other factor ? ... (1) http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi, looks like an interesting project to build a wireless MID. I want to suggest that you base your design on the GTA04, since it is far more developed as you might think, but also far from being complete... Let's say it is in the middle of the ocean but heads towards its destination. We are currently redesigning it a little so that you can not only use the GTA04 board as a new motherboard for the GTA02 plastics, but also as a module to attach a different LCM and other peripherals (e.g. QWERTY keyboard controller). This is done by adding two board-to-board connectors on the display side. The UMTS solution of the GTA04 is based on the OPTION GTM501. On the software side we have Debian Lenny (which can be the base of QtMoko). There are also Android ports and SHR should not be too dfifficult to adapt. If you need more information or help, please feel free to ask. BR, Nikolaus Am 05.10.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ: On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote: My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in some way How can I help? Best regards, alien jo Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or less time skills, so anyone can give a little help : - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that. - Find a name for such a device. - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on the device. - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...) future-ready. - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..) - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps results ! - Give some extra more ideas ! So feel free to answer those questions, add others. Thanks a lot AstHrO For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ? How much does this cost ? Does this chip is sold in other factor ? ... (1) http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote: 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет: Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. last answer from Always Innovating to me was: Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that many customers wish to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, we currently do not have any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities. If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make note of it on our website. Argh, So sad Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick... Asthro, Always inventive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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04.10.2010 17:08, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет: On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote: 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет: Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. last answer from Always Innovating to me was: Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that many customers wish to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, we currently do not have any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities. If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make note of it on our website. Argh, So sad Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick... Asthro, Always inventive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It would be very cool... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 10/04/2010 06:04 PM, Chuck Norris wrote: 04.10.2010 17:08, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет: On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote: 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет: Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. last answer from Always Innovating to me was: Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that many customers wish to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, we currently do not have any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities. If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make note of it on our website. Argh, So sad Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick... Asthro, Always inventive ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community It would be very cool... I watched the specs of this device(1), and I saw there is an ISP1520(2) chip, which is an USB hub controller !! The 4 ports are used, and I think accelerometers are plugged there who really care accelerometers ? ;-) I'm more more excited by this project ! I have t find a cool small GSM Usb dongle... Asthro (1) http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board (2) http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download2/expired_datasheets/ISP1520_4.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes: it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. Just add an external antenna? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 10/3/10, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. Do you know such sticks which can provide *voice* communication? E.g. most of such usb dongles only provides data(internet), sometimes SMS but not voice/calls. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com writes: Do you know such sticks which can provide *voice* communication? Huawei E169 at least does with asterisk. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет: Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes: 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris I've asked them about missing this feature. Here are answer: We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a subscription on customers. Instead we want to focus on using wifi and free Skype calls. force subscription?! LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means? fool or fail? ;) Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer if it would have been an `either/or' choice. More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously; they're probably still applicable. As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports. I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet. last answer from Always Innovating to me was: Thank you for your feedback. We are aware that many customers wish to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible. Unfortunately, we currently do not have any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities. If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make note of it on our website. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community