Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-06 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
Thanks Nikolaus for your answers.

As the discussion on the developpement of GTA04 flies too high over my 
electronics skills level, I can't estimate the progress easily. (But I 
don't doubt of it!)

As we discuss in the french forums, we think that the MiniBook should 
keep the capacity to be link the the AlwaysInnovating tablet. So we will 
*try* to expand this device, without removing anything.

The two more important things to add are GPS  GSM  BT (perhaps). And 
let the device capable of future openings.
I'm waiting for more returns from users, and will aks A.I. for a 
collaboration in intergrating such fonctiunalities.
With the help of your references, we will try to have the same chips 
used for a question of portability.

I think that GTA04  this hypothetic device would be nice to live 
together. The A.I. could be a 'lite' equipped device, cheaper, and GTA04 
a full featured one. What do you think of this approach ? That line 
drawn, we will have a clear view of how to work.

Regards,

AsThrO


On 06/10/2010 07:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
 Hi,
 looks like an interesting project to build a wireless MID.

 I want to suggest that you base your design on the GTA04, since it is far more
 developed as you might think, but also far from being complete... Let's say
 it is in the middle of the ocean but heads towards its destination.

 We are currently redesigning it a little so that you can not only use the 
 GTA04
 board  as a new motherboard for the GTA02 plastics, but also as a module to
 attach a different LCM and other peripherals (e.g. QWERTY keyboard 
 controller).
 This is done by adding two board-to-board connectors on the display side.

 The UMTS solution of the GTA04 is based on the OPTION GTM501.

 On the software side we have Debian Lenny (which can be the base of QtMoko).
 There are also Android ports and SHR should not be too dfifficult to adapt.

 If you need more information or help, please feel free to ask.

 BR,
 Nikolaus


 Am 05.10.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ:


   On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
  
On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote:

 My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to
 help in some way

 How can I help?

 Best regards,
 alien jo

  
 Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or
 less time   skills, so anyone can give a little help :

 - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook.
 It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be
 added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that.
 - Find a name for such a device.
 - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on
 the device.
 - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...)
 future-ready.
 - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips
 references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..)
 - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps   results !
 - Give some extra more ideas !

 So feel free to answer those questions,   add others.

 Thanks  a lot

 AstHrO



 For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ?
 How much does this cost ?
 Does this chip is sold in other factor ?
 ...

 (1)
 http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html


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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-06 Thread Chuck Norris
 05.10.2010 15:56, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет:
 On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
   Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit :

 Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool.

 Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there?
 Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be
 connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm
 board? (FR's or others).

 Maksim
  
 In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap.


 Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly !
 This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work 
 with them.

 -
 Hello Thomas,

 Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an 
 interesting opportunity.

 As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to 
 give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's 
 already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's 
 Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team 
 behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view: 
 what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see 
 the working-together process?

 Best,
 Alexandre - Always Innovating Team
 ---

 Tada !  Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project 
 with the base of the A.I.'s MID.
 As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is 
 progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster !

 I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this 
 week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work.

 So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session !

 Asthro, so happy !

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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
   Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit :

 Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool.

 Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there?
 Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be
 connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm
 board? (FR's or others).

 Maksim
  
 In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap.


Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly !
This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work 
with them.

-
Hello Thomas,

Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an 
interesting opportunity.

As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to 
give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's 
already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's 
Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team 
behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view: 
what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see 
the working-together process?

Best,
Alexandre - Always Innovating Team
---

Tada !  Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project 
with the base of the A.I.'s MID.
As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is 
progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster !

I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this 
week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work.

So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session !

Asthro, so happy !

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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Giovanni
WOW!

I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open
hardware!

giovanni
(aka alien jo)

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.frwrote:

 On 20/09/2010 17:22, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
Le 20/09/2010 16:26, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau a écrit :
 
  Adding GSM to MID-device definitely will make this device extra-cool.
 
  Does somebody have idea how GSM could be added there?
  Voice is most important feature for me. 3G and so on, could be
  connected to touchbook part. May be its possible attach some gsm
  board? (FR's or others).
 
  Maksim
 
  In fact, I think I will try to reach them. I'll give you the answer asap.
 
 
 Hang on dudes, please sit cumfortably, and read this message slowly !
 This is the answer of a message I sent A.I. to try to find a way to work
 with them.

 -
 Hello Thomas,

 Thank you for your interest in our products. This can definitely be an
 interesting opportunity.

 As an early-stage startup, we don't have that much money and time to
 give upfront, but the idea remains seducing, and we may share what's
 already done to help things to go on. We obviously know Openmoko's
 Freerunner, but didn't play with it really much, nor know the team
 behind this device. How do you imagine things from your point of view:
 what do you have to bring into such a shared project, and how do you see
 the working-together process?

 Best,
 Alexandre - Always Innovating Team
 ---

 Tada !  Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project
 with the base of the A.I.'s MID.
 As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is
 progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster !

 I want to answer Alexandre (I think he is the one from the videos), this
 week, to give a first clue on how we wanted to work.

 So, Let's get imaginative : it's a brainstorm session !

 Asthro, so happy !

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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
On 05/10/2010 14:33, Giovanni wrote:
 WOW!

 I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open 
 hardware!

 giovanni
 (aka alien jo)

I really hope too, And that's why I try this collaboration. I think it's 
the best way to do something efficient  rapid.

You can help if you want !

Rgds

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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Alfa21
2010-10...@10:56 Thomas HOCEDEZ
[...]
 Tada !  Everythnig is now open to find a way to mix Openmoko V4 project 
 with the base of the A.I.'s MID.
 As I said earlier, their specs are online, and the GTA04 project is 
 progressing fast, nut with a litlle help on hardware it could be faster !
[...]


ooh wow!
this topic switched to the cool side! *_*
they made an U-turn!

maybe I'll buy a new gadget in the near future... ;)

you ruuulez guys! \m/,

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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Giovanni
My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to help in
some way

How can I help?

Best regards,
alien jo



On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ thomas.hoce...@free.frwrote:

 On 05/10/2010 14:33, Giovanni wrote:
  WOW!
 
  I really hope that there is a bright future for FreeRunner-like open
  hardware!
 
  giovanni
  (aka alien jo)

 I really hope too, And that's why I try this collaboration. I think it's
 the best way to do something efficient  rapid.

 You can help if you want !

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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
  On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote:
 My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to 
 help in some way

 How can I help?

 Best regards,
 alien jo

Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or 
less time  skills, so anyone can give a little help :

- List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook. 
It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be 
added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that.
- Find a name for such a device.
- Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on 
the device.
- Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...)  
future-ready.
- Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips 
references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..)
- Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps  results !
- Give some extra more ideas !

So feel free to answer those questions,  add others.

Thanks  a lot

AstHrO



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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ
  On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote:
 My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to
 help in some way

 How can I help?

 Best regards,
 alien jo

 Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or
 less time  skills, so anyone can give a little help :

 - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook.
 It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be
 added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that.
 - Find a name for such a device.
 - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on
 the device.
 - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...)
 future-ready.
 - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips
 references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..)
 - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps  results !
 - Give some extra more ideas !

 So feel free to answer those questions,  add others.

 Thanks  a lot

 AstHrO


For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ?
How much does this cost ?
Does this chip is sold in other factor ?
...

(1) 
http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html


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Re: We can have Help from Always Innovating !

2010-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi,
looks like an interesting project to build a wireless MID.

I want to suggest that you base your design on the GTA04, since it is far more
developed as you might think, but also far from being complete... Let's say
it is in the middle of the ocean but heads towards its destination.

We are currently redesigning it a little so that you can not only use the GTA04
board  as a new motherboard for the GTA02 plastics, but also as a module to
attach a different LCM and other peripherals (e.g. QWERTY keyboard controller).
This is done by adding two board-to-board connectors on the display side.

The UMTS solution of the GTA04 is based on the OPTION GTM501.

On the software side we have Debian Lenny (which can be the base of QtMoko).
There are also Android ports and SHR should not be too dfifficult to adapt.

If you need more information or help, please feel free to ask.

BR,
Nikolaus


Am 05.10.2010 um 23:17 schrieb Thomas HOCEDEZ:

  On 10/05/2010 10:30 PM, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote:
   On 10/05/2010 08:38 PM, Giovanni wrote:
 My free time and knowledge is quite limited, anyway I am willing to
 help in some way
 
 How can I help?
 
 Best regards,
 alien jo
 
 Well, for now, we have to set some points, each one requires more or
 less time  skills, so anyone can give a little help :
 
 - List of what is needed on a device bult on the base of the MiniBook.
 It means : what feature MUST be included, and what feature could be
 added on the bonus tracks. A poll can be launched for that.
 - Find a name for such a device.
 - Ask OS's developpers if their distro can be ported easily or not on
 the device.
 - Decide how the device should be open (extensions, versatile ...)
 future-ready.
 - Find someone with a little bit of knowledge to find the chips
 references that would be included (GSM, SimCard holder, GPS..)
 - Opening a Wiki page to store all those steps  results !
 - Give some extra more ideas !
 
 So feel free to answer those questions,  add others.
 
 Thanks  a lot
 
 AstHrO
 
 
 For example, coud it be possible to put a gobi2000 (GPS+3G) chip(1) in it ?
 How much does this cost ?
 Does this chip is sold in other factor ?
 ...
 
 (1) 
 http://www.roundsolutions.com/shop/products/en/HSPA-modem/Option-GOBI2000-HSUPA-HSDPA-UMTS-Mini-PCI-Express-Card.html
 
 
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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-04 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ

On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote:

03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет:

Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it  writes:
 

2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris
   

I've asked them about missing this feature.
Here are answer:

We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a
subscription on customers.  Instead we want to focus on using wifi and
free Skype calls.
 

force subscription?!
LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means?
fool or fail? ;)
   

Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer
if it would have been an `either/or' choice.

More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a
device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths
discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously;
they're probably still applicable.

As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a
UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports.
I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though
it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.

 

last answer from Always Innovating to me was:

Thank you for your feedback.  We are aware that many customers wish to 
have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many 
customers as possible.  Unfortunately, we currently do not have any 
plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities.  If 
that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make 
note of it on our website.

Argh, So sad

Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, so 
we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick...


Asthro, Always inventive
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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-04 Thread Chuck Norris
 04.10.2010 17:08, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет:
 On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote:
 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет:
 Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes:
 
 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris
   
 I've asked them about missing this feature.
 Here are answer:

 We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a
 subscription on customers.  Instead we want to focus on using wifi and
 free Skype calls.
 
 force subscription?!
 LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means?
 fool or fail? ;)
   
 Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer
 if it would have been an `either/or' choice.

 More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a
 device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths
 discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously;
 they're probably still applicable.

 As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a
 UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports.
 I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though
 it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.

 
 last answer from Always Innovating to me was:

 Thank you for your feedback.  We are aware that many customers wish
 to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many
 customers as possible.  Unfortunately, we currently do not have any
 plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities.
  If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to
 make note of it on our website.
 Argh, So sad

 Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware,
 so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick...

 Asthro, Always inventive


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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-04 Thread Thomas HOCEDEZ

 On 10/04/2010 06:04 PM, Chuck Norris wrote:

04.10.2010 17:08, Thomas HOCEDEZ пишет:

On 04/10/2010 05:20, Chuck Norris wrote:

03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет:

Alfa21freerun...@my.is.it  writes:
 

2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris
   

I've asked them about missing this feature.
Here are answer:

We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a
subscription on customers.  Instead we want to focus on using wifi and
free Skype calls.
 

force subscription?!
LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means?
fool or fail? ;)
   

Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer
if it would have been an `either/or' choice.

More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a
device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths
discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously;
they're probably still applicable.

As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a
UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports.
I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though
it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.

 

last answer from Always Innovating to me was:

Thank you for your feedback.  We are aware that many customers wish 
to have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as 
many customers as possible.  Unfortunately, we currently do not have 
any plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM 
capabilities.  If that possibility opens up to us in the future, we 
will be sure to make note of it on our website.

Argh, So sad

Though, I'd like to know if the minibook is also Opensource hardware, 
so we can investigate on the way to insert a canibalized usb stick...


Asthro, Always inventive


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It would be very cool...
I watched the specs of this device(1), and I saw there is an ISP1520(2) 
chip, which is an USB hub  controller !! The 4 ports are used, and I 
think accelerometers are plugged there who really care 
accelerometers ? ;-)


I'm more  more excited by this project ! I have t find a cool  small 
GSM Usb dongle...


Asthro

(1) http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/wiki/index.php/MID_board
(2) http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download2/expired_datasheets/ISP1520_4.pdf


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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-03 Thread Joshua Judson Rosen
Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes:
 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris
 
  I've asked them about missing this feature.
  Here are answer:
  
  We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a
  subscription on customers.  Instead we want to focus on using wifi and
  free Skype calls.
 
 force subscription?!
 LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means?
 fool or fail? ;)

Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer
if it would have been an `either/or' choice.

More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a
device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths
discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously;
they're probably still applicable.

As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a
UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports.
I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though
it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.

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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-03 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes:
 it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.

Just add an external antenna?


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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-03 Thread Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau
On 10/3/10, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
 As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a
 UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports.
 I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though
 it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.
Do you know such sticks which can provide *voice* communication?
E.g. most of such usb dongles only provides data(internet), sometimes
SMS but not voice/calls.

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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-03 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com writes:
 Do you know such sticks which can provide *voice* communication?

Huawei E169 at least does with asterisk.




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Re: Help from Always Innovating ?

2010-10-03 Thread Chuck Norris
 03.10.2010 21:05, Joshua Judson Rosen пишет:
 Alfa21 freerun...@my.is.it writes:
 2010-09...@00:16 Chuck Norris
 I've asked them about missing this feature.
 Here are answer:

 We do not have a 3G or GSM option because we do not want to force a
 subscription on customers.  Instead we want to focus on using wifi and
 free Skype calls.
 force subscription?!
 LOL... maybe they do not know what actually the word option means?
 fool or fail? ;)
 Well, `not wanting to force subscriptions' is actually the right answer
 if it would have been an `either/or' choice.

 More probably, it's because it's just not viable to include it in a
 device that size at that price-range--there have been in-depths
 discussions about this as it pertained to the FreeRunner, previously;
 they're probably still applicable.

 As far as the full-sized tablet goes, you could look into getting a
 UMTS/HSDPA/whatever USB stick to connect to one of those internal USB ports.
 I've seen ones that may be small enough for as low as $50 US, though
 it's not obvious how well they'd work from inside the tablet.

last answer from Always Innovating to me was:

Thank you for your feedback.  We are aware that many customers wish to
have a GSM option available, and we do our best to satisfy as many
customers as possible.  Unfortunately, we currently do not have any
plans to release a version of the Mini Book with GSM capabilities.  If
that possibility opens up to us in the future, we will be sure to make
note of it on our website.
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