Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-04-05 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 23:43, Michael T. Dean mtd...@thirdcontact.com wrote: On 02/29/2012 05:35 AM, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Then, we have to define a keyboard layout. QWERTY or ABCDEF. Add numeric keys or make them Num+QWERTY to save one row of keys. And to unsimplify, we need a US, a

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-13 Thread Michael T. Dean
On 02/29/2012 05:35 AM, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Then, we have to define a keyboard layout. QWERTY or ABCDEF. Add numeric keys or make them Num+QWERTY to save one row of keys. And to unsimplify, we need a US, a UK, a German, a French, an Italian layout and maybe Chinese, Japanese etc. This

Re: How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 06.03.2012 um 07:58 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 23:02, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: I have prepared a Wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_Group_Tour_Donations_Hub That's an excellent idea! I hope it gets used a lot! Me

Re: How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread Alexander Lehner
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 06.03.2012 um 07:58 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 23:02, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: I have prepared a Wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_Group_Tour_Donations_Hub

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Alex, Am 08.03.2012 um 17:34 schrieb Alexander Lehner: On Thu, 8 Mar 2012, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 06.03.2012 um 07:58 schrieb Christ van Willegen: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 23:02, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: I have prepared a Wiki page:

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: But we could also add the reversed direction of getting into contact: if you want to donate, add your contact data and the conditions (e.g. kernel/API development searched) I had used cofundus to good

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-08 Thread Alexander Lehner
On Thu, 8 Mar 2012, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: It looks as if we are in the strange situation that there are more donations than persons who want to have one... Even if subsidized. [...] I hope I could clarify some aspects. Great, thanks. I put myself on the wiki. Thinking about this

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread Al Johnson
On Sunday 04 March 2012 12:51:08 arne anka wrote: (but i would be willing to donate/add a couple of euros if it will help someone to buy a GTA04 who can't afford the full or even the rebated price) myself and others in this list have made the same offer... that's very good to know.

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread Fernando Martins
On 03/05/2012 10:36 AM, Al Johnson wrote: There are a few places you can 'order' a donation, but I don't know how well known they are. http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04referer=GTA04-Early-Adopter http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%3ACommunity The problem is

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Fernando, Am 05.03.2012 um 11:01 schrieb Fernando Martins: On 03/05/2012 10:36 AM, Al Johnson wrote: There are a few places you can 'order' a donation, but I don't know how well known they are. http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04referer=GTA04-Early-Adopter

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread Fernando
On Mar 5, 2012 10:33 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Hi Fernando, Am 05.03.2012 um 11:01 schrieb Fernando Martins: On 03/05/2012 10:36 AM, Al Johnson wrote: There are a few places you can 'order' a donation, but I don't know how well known they are.

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
It may not be that complicated, but it is morally wrong. It is morally wrong to help or support someone who is guilty of hoarding the good code and denying it to the public. so proprietary software(calypso source code is not free software) is morally good and free software(osmocombb and

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread arne anka
I think there are several options. If you keep the display, you have a nice GUI device for experimentation with WLAN, Bluetooth, USB. And, the SPI/I2C interfaces are accessible on test points near the debug connector. well, i am no hardware guy, but just a humble application programmer.

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread arne anka
my idea of a donation was in the first place to get us nearer, my god to thee .. ehm .. nearer the 350 units required. ie in the first place to help people who can't afford the full price, since it would mean the most value for every euro donated. if that proves not feasible, the second best

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread arne anka
I'm not even going to bother with the good netiquette of not top-posting on this one so sorry if that offends you all. Michael, ... i don't think it makes much sense to dicuss his ... funny ideas further. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.03.2012 um 22:06 schrieb arne anka: my idea of a donation was in the first place to get us nearer, my god to thee .. ehm .. nearer the 350 units required. ie in the first place to help people who can't afford the full price, since it would mean the most value for every euro donated.

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.03.2012 um 21:59 schrieb arne anka: I think there are several options. If you keep the display, you have a nice GUI device for experimentation with WLAN, Bluetooth, USB. And, the SPI/I2C interfaces are accessible on test points near the debug connector. well, i am no hardware guy,

Re: How to bring forward the community? Group Tour Donations Hub

2012-03-05 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 23:02, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: I have prepared a Wiki page:        http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_Group_Tour_Donations_Hub That's an excellent idea! I hope it gets used a lot! Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Fernando Martins
On 03/03/2012 10:44 PM, arne anka wrote: (but i would be willing to donate/add a couple of euros if it will help someone to buy a GTA04 who can't afford the full or even the rebated price) myself and others in this list have made the same offer...

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Neil Jerram
msoko...@ivan.harhan.org (Michael Sokolov) writes: close in terms of hackability. Unfortunately the greedy bastards are refusing to share, hence extracting the ware from them requires the use of a soldering iron, inserted rectally. If anyone is willing to I'm sorry, but that is an

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread arne anka
(but i would be willing to donate/add a couple of euros if it will help someone to buy a GTA04 who can't afford the full or even the rebated price) myself and others in this list have made the same offer... that's very good to know. i didn't follow the development of sales too close

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Lionel Broche
vibration is a pretty good idea though, have you tried it arne? On 3 March 2012 21:20, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: sounds is a no-go. the only sound i tolerate is the one coming out of the earpiece/headset when making/recieving a call or listening to music. --- On Sat, 3/3/12,

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Arne, Am 03.03.2012 um 22:44 schrieb arne anka: what's stopping me from subscribing for the GTA04 is simply the question, what to do with the innards of my disembowled GTA02. although the GTA02 as well as a new GTA04 would be litle more than a toy anyway, i shrink back from the idea to

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 03.03.2012 um 14:07 schrieb Gerald A: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 01.03.2012 um 13:28 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: So what to use? Nothing to use... We should look for what comes after phones and tablets. What's next?

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.03.2012 um 00:59 schrieb Michael Sokolov: arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: but if nikolaus is ok with that (re-stocking the used GTA02 boards, that is :-), that's certainly solution. As I understand it, he already does that. Yes, we have some GTA02 boards w/o display...

Re: [Gta04-owner] what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.03.2012 um 14:55 schrieb Benjamin Deering: My gta02 innards will probably be reassigned to monitoring my kegerator. Since it has i2c and wifi, I should be able to connect load sensors, a thermometer, and a sensor to know when the compressor is running. It could then send the

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Michael Sokolov
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Could it be possible that those greedy bastards don't even exist except in your wishful thinking? I don't buy that - I don't buy the fairy-tale that each and every former employee of Om-Inc who had NDA'd access to The Treasure has refrained

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.03.2012 um 21:14 schrieb Michael Sokolov: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Could it be possible that those greedy bastards don't even exist except in your wishful thinking? I don't buy that - I don't buy the fairy-tale that each and every former employee of

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Michael Sokolov
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: IMHO that has nothing to do with freedom at all. Just personal enrichment. Objection: it is *NOT* personal enrichment if I share. If I were to ever get a hold of the ware that I am after, I would NOT greedily hoard it for myself like its

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
- what's so hackable about the calypso fw? as far as i recall, it was a major afford to get an updated fw and make it flashable. and how much less hackable is the new gsm chip's fw? Well, you can run osmocom-bb or nuttx on it. for instance with nuttx: root@om-gta02:~# /etc/init.d/dbus-1 stop

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
However, my work on building a Totally Illegal Phone That points nowhere. I think you should instead try to go the legal way, so you can't be attacked in court, because it's way too easy to attack you if you do something illegal. Theses companies have a lot of lawyers and spend a lot on it. The

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Michael Sokolov
Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli gnu...@no-log.org wrote: That points nowhere. For you maybe, but not for me. I think you should instead try to go the legal way, I disagree. Man-made law of every kind is my arch-enemy, and the purpose of my life is to break those laws. Without law-breaking life

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-04 Thread Brian
I'm not even going to bother with the good netiquette of not top-posting on this one so sorry if that offends you all. Michael, Whether you realize it or not you're giving open culture and this community specifically a 'black eye' by posting such inflammatory rhetoric. I, and probably most

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread Lionel Broche
well, I think you just have to look at the capabilities of IMAP5 to see that the next generations of phone/tablet will have 3D support, both for display and webcam (I think IMAP5 supports 2 webcam ports). So IMHO the big manufacturers are now focusing on including 3D instead of designing new

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread Fernando Martins
On 03/03/2012 11:09 AM, Lionel Broche wrote: well, I think you just have to look at the capabilities of IMAP5 to see that the next generations of phone/tablet will have 3D support, both for display and webcam (I think IMAP5 supports 2 webcam ports). So IMHO the big manufacturers are now

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread Gerald A
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.comwrote: Am 01.03.2012 um 13:28 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: So what to use? Nothing to use... We should look for what comes after phones and tablets. What's next? Next generation phones and tablets :) As a

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread Rafael Ignacio Zurita
--- On Sat, 3/3/12, Lionel Broche lionel.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe using an audible 'clic' would be an alternative for touch screen keypads? or using an electric discharge to trigger the user's nerves :) (though this may lower the battery life...) Ah so you never tried fatfingershell

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread arne anka
sounds is a no-go. the only sound i tolerate is the one coming out of the earpiece/headset when making/recieving a call or listening to music. --- On Sat, 3/3/12, Lionel Broche lionel.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe using an audible 'clic' would be an alternative for touch screen keypads? or

what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread arne anka
what's stopping me from subscribing for the GTA04 is simply the question, what to do with the innards of my disembowled GTA02. although the GTA02 as well as a new GTA04 would be litle more than a toy anyway, i shrink back from the idea to produce electronic waste just for fun. money isn't

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread Michael Sokolov
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: so, what do you group tour subscribers plan to do with the replaced parts? just sink them in the waste basket? hang on the wall? or do you have a meaningful solution? Please please please don't waste them, please make them available to people like me

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread arne anka
well, that's certainly an idea that didn'zt occur to me. but wouldn't support those reactionaries somehow defy the purpose of the GTA04 movement? ;-) otoh, if there's sufficient demand it could offer another source of funding. but if nikolaus is ok with that (re-stocking the used GTA02

Re: what to with 02 when upgrading to 04? was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-03 Thread Michael Sokolov
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: but if nikolaus is ok with that (re-stocking the used GTA02 boards, that is :-), that's certainly solution. As I understand it, he already does that. - what's so hackable about the calypso fw? as far as i recall, it was a major afford to get an

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-02 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 01 March 2012 13:35:34 Gerald A wrote: Hi, On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Wednesday 29 February 2012 11:55:46 Gerald A wrote: I've had a few bluetooth keyboards and a bluetooth mouse paired and function with my Neo. I

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community Hardware: One-man-show Nikolaus Software: One-man-show Radek I am praying each night, that both of you fasten your seatbelt daily. Instead a participating community we converted to simple consumers waiting for news and order

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-01 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 29 February 2012 11:55:46 Gerald A wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: I own a similar one ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Pocket-Bluetooth-Keyboard-PC-PDA-Phone-/2 60694344470 ) but I've never been

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-01 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
we get sportive spirit by competition. So the question is, with whom we (this community) are competing? Maybe better to ask, who is the intended user of free phone? Below I'm speaking for myself (sorry for that), but I think that my situation is not that uncommon. I'm in free software for

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-01 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
So what to use? Nothing to use... We should look for what comes after phones and tablets. What's next? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.03.2012 um 13:28 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: So what to use? Nothing to use... We should look for what comes after phones and tablets. What's next? Next generation phones and tablets :) It is difficult to develop something totally new. (My standard methapher: each revolution looks like

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-01 Thread fdvjoif
In my opinion there are two underestimated issues: - community organization - software developement Community organization Look at us, we are a higly fragmented community. There are various small teams working, most of the time, on different projects. As we know this is a side effect of working

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-03-01 Thread Gerald A
Hi, On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Wednesday 29 February 2012 11:55:46 Gerald A wrote: I've had a few bluetooth keyboards and a bluetooth mouse paired and function with my Neo. I can't remember what software rev it was, but if it works

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Andreas Pokorny
Hi, Am 27. Februar 2012 11:51 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org: So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a small or big step.. Any idea is welcome (even if you think

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, February 29, 2012 a las 09:05:11AM +0100, Andreas Pokorny escribió: If anything is welcome then... I've left OpenMoko commutiny long ago, but I'm really disapponted by today's devices and I want to return. Unfortunately N900 changed my mind and now I consider hardware

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 29.02.2012 um 09:05 schrieb Andreas Pokorny: Hi, Am 27. Februar 2012 11:51 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org: So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a small

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread dmatthews.org
hey E.g. * QtMoko SHR vs. Android iOS Win Mobile etc.! * GTA04's flexibility and hw-modifiability vs. any commercial device! * the art of self modifiable 3D-printed case vs. take what you get! I think you would need to fine tune that example. There is at least one android version that

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 29.02.2012 um 10:20 schrieb dmatthews.org: hey E.g. * QtMoko SHR vs. Android iOS Win Mobile etc.! * GTA04's flexibility and hw-modifiability vs. any commercial device! * the art of self modifiable 3D-printed case vs. take what you get! I think you would need to fine tune that

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Harald Koenig
On Feb 27, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: today's devices and I want to return. Unfortunately N900 changed my mind and now I consider hardware qwerty keyboard not an option but a must. I will immediately order any GTA04 successor that will have qwerty keyboard. using a bluetooth keyboard

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ? This one on picture seems to be QWERTY [1], however the description says it is QWERTZ. You need to ask them... [1] http://www.pearl.de/a-PX4806-1002.shtml -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ? ...or this one [1]. Generally google returns a lot of information on this topic. [1] http://www.uberreview.com/2010/05/tiny-bluetooth-qwerty-keyboard-for-smartphones.htm -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard? Because typing text on hardware keyboard (at least, one on N900 or on SonyEricsson sk18i that I'm using currently) is 10 times faster than doing so on any onscreen keyboard I've seen. Having keyboard actually turns a phone (i.e. device to do

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani
[cut] does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ? ...or this one [1]. Generally google returns a lot of information on this topic. [1] http://www.uberreview.com/2010/05/tiny-bluetooth-qwerty-keyboard-for-smartphones.htm I own a similar one

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Yury Sakarinen
Same here. No success with http://www.dealextreme.com/p/bluetooth-v2-0-wireless-keyboard-with-protective-case-for-apple-ipad-black-55976 on qtmoko. Debian not tested yet.. Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani писал 29.02.2012 14:45: [cut] does anyone know similar keyboards with real QWERTY layout ?

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread dmatthews.org
Android is not a real enemy, but #1. So whom to compete with? And why? What I therefore think we should support is: http://fsfe.org/campaigns/android/android.en.html Yes that makes more sense; while I'm at it my 2 cents regarding more general problems.I know this has been discussed

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 28.02.2012 21:22, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Does anyone know how many units have been subscribed in total? And when it is planned to become available? Nikolaus Hi, yes. I saw one of those at FOSDEM. They didn't produce any tablet, but used the chinese Zenithink C71 [0] tablet,

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 28 February 2012 21:22:40 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 09:47 schrieb Davide Scaini: I think that the success of spark [1] explains the failure of GTA04. My 2 cents d [1] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/02/spark-pre-orders-closed.html May be, but I am

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Gerald A
Hi, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:45 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: I own a similar one ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Pocket-Bluetooth-Keyboard-PC-PDA-Phone-/260694344470 ) but I've never been able to use it on my freerunner. I get it paired (and some traffic

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Gerald A
Hello, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: [Leadup discussion pruned] May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard? Some people like it. While I do like a mechanical keyboard, I find the ones in most mobile devices too small. I can touch

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 29.02.2012 um 18:05 schrieb Gerald A: Hello, On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: [Leadup discussion pruned] May I ask why you need a (mechanical) keyboard? Some people like it. Yes, I know and want to better understand why. It

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread arne anka
So the question is, with whom we (this community) are competing? E.g. * QtMoko SHR vs. Android iOS Win Mobile etc.! * GTA04's flexibility and hw-modifiability vs. any commercial device! * the art of self modifiable 3D-printed case vs. take what you get! imo, android _is_ the main opponent.

HW keyboard was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread arne anka
i too own a n900 and i too are looking for devices with a hwardware keyboard included. i used to be a big fan of graffiti (v1), but after using the n900 with its keyboard for two years now i have to say, it's no match. writing is much faster, using a shell for complex tasks was not really an

RE: HW keyboard was: Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread . .
The biggest benefit of a hardware keyboard is that you don't need to type as accurate, touching other keys while pressing one does not affect that much. (If it does you can feel it.) To hit a key on a touchscreen keyboard needs the center of the finger to be inside the buttons region, on a

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread EdorFaus
On 02/29/2012 06:50 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 29.02.2012 um 18:05 schrieb Gerald A: Some people like it. Yes, I know and want to better understand why. It looks as if they like them because they feel better than on-screen keyboards. I think this is precisely it, actually. Maybe

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread NeilBrown
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 23:09:28 +0100 EdorFaus edorf...@xepher.net wrote: On 02/29/2012 06:50 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 29.02.2012 um 18:05 schrieb Gerald A: Some people like it. Yes, I know and want to better understand why. It looks as if they like them because they feel

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-29 Thread NeilBrown
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:38:23 + Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: For me, the fun is in trying to put bits of software together to make a useful and interesting phone/gadget, and in understanding (up to a point) how it all works. Me too. It isn't about being better than Android,

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-28 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 28.02.2012 um 09:07 schrieb openm...@pulster.de (Christoph Pulster): what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community Hardware: One-man-show Nikolaus Software: One-man-show Radek Well, there are more People behind (e.g. Neil, Lukas, Christoph, Rene, ...), but... I am praying

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-28 Thread Davide Scaini
I think that the success of spark [1] explains the failure of GTA04. My 2 cents d [1] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/02/spark-pre-orders-closed.html On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Am 28.02.2012 um 09:07 schrieb openm...@pulster.de

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-28 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:12, Christoph Pulster openm...@pulster.de wrote: What would we need to get New Spirit into our Community? We need courage bashing Apple and Android as the evil, sucking our datas and brains. Giving as the feeling of heros, only left free human beings, victors of

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-28 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 28.02.2012 um 09:47 schrieb Davide Scaini: I think that the success of spark [1] explains the failure of GTA04. My 2 cents d [1] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/02/spark-pre-orders-closed.html May be, but I am not sure. A 7 inch tablet (and much worse pixel per inch) without UMTS and

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-28 Thread Vadim Efimov
Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com писал(а) в своём письме Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:35:50 +0100: The OLPC hardware has the possibility to make a mesh network. Can we do the same? Yes, we can. Everybody can. IIRC they use 802.11s which is in linux kernel.

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-28 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 28.02.2012 um 12:12 schrieb Christoph Pulster: What would we need to get New Spirit into our Community? We need courage bashing Apple and Android as the evil, sucking our datas and brains. Giving as the feeling of heros, only left free human beings, victors of Goliaths. The

How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, while I am still fiddling with GTA04 production yield issues, I think it is important to reason about the big view. So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a small or big

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
Hi all, while I am still fiddling with GTA04 production yield issues, I think it is important to reason about the big view. So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a small or

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Radek Polak
On Monday 27 February 2012 11:35:38 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a small or big step.. Any idea is welcome (even if you think we already

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Lukas Märdian
Hi. On 27.02.2012 11:35, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a small or big step.. Any idea is welcome (even if you think we already know about

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Well, it becomes sort of a who-is-who and who-is-doing-what list :) Shouldn't we take this as a trigger point to revitalize the wiki.openmoko.org? I am sure a significant amount of subscribers of this list also have write access. The minimum would be a page GTA04 Projects (i.e

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Joerg Eesmann
Hi, for me the biggest problem in GTA02 is the sound quality in calls. And it seems to be, that there are problems with echo in GTA04, too. But GTA04 is OMAP3 based, and OMAP3 has a DSP on board. In the beagleboard, there was a SW-component called DSP-bridge, and when I recall correctly the DSP

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread rhn
Hi all, while I am still fiddling with GTA04 production yield issues, I think it is important to reason about the big view. So I would like to encourage to share what you are working on (kernel? driver? user space?) and what you think would bring forward the Openmoko community a

Re: How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread Neil Jerram
rhn omcomali@porcupinefactory.org writes: Having an easy way to build and share programs (without the need of an entire distribution checkout like SHR needed if I remember right) would also help. Native compilation perhaps? FWIW, native compilation has always been possible on the GTA02,

Re: [Gta04-owner] How to bring forward the community?

2012-02-27 Thread NeilBrown
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:36:50 + Neil Jerram n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote: rhn omcomali@porcupinefactory.org writes: Having an easy way to build and share programs (without the need of an entire distribution checkout like SHR needed if I remember right) would also help. Native