Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:04:25 -0400 Jeremy McNaughton jeremy.mcnaugh...@gmail.com said: With Paroli in particular I can't see it being such a big deal to size the window so it can be used with Illume. At least for right now, until more time can be dedicated to whatever mysterious way we'll

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-15 Thread Mirko Lindner
Hej, I tried to stay out of this thread as the discussion drifted away from paroli towards general discussion about OM's behavior, which is not controlled by me, but it seems to me that here 2 things are mixed that simply are unrelated and I am being judged based on a conversation log(!) and

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-15 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
Hey, Mirko, I'm sorry if I came across overly frustrated or harsh. I'm really excited about Paroli. I've read the startup.pdf and I check the website regularly for updates. I just want to know more. Maybe there's some notes from a meeting, plans, brainstorm notes or something that's not on

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Fertser
Hi, Jeremy McNaughton jeremy.mcnaugh...@gmail.com writes: And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account. Jeremy, i can assure you that Mirko treated me

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-14 Thread Steve 'dillo Okay
On Mar 13, 2009, at 22:04 , Jeremy McNaughton wrote: [...] And while I don't know anything about the previous conversations between Mirko and Paul, I really hope that I never get dealt with that way by anyone with an openmoko.com email account. Nobody's perfect and I don't want to single

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/3/13 Eldon Koyle eko...@gmail.com: contributors).  They have goals they are trying to accomplish -- like finally getting a usable software stack for a phone.  They also have to make money somewhere. i think you got those the wrong way round If by saving the effort of communicating with

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread arne anka
Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the community. to be open to the community is at the core of their business model -- and, what's more, it accounts for a huge part of their customer base. Look at what happens every time a hardware-related (ie. gta03) post

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread Eldon Koyle
On Mar 13 21:30+1300, Robin Paulson wrote: snip true, but they can't have it both ways. if they say, 'we want input from the community' on something or other, the likelihood of disagreement/flames/arguments etc. goes up. then they either can snip They don't ask for input from the community on

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-13 Thread Jeremy McNaughton
I've got to agree that some more communication about Paroli would be a good thing. Arne's got it exactly right by saying to be 'open to the community' is at the core of their business model -- and, what's more, it accounts for a huge part of their customer base. After all, what was the point of

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-12 Thread Eldon Koyle
rant Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the community. I personally do appreciate when they are, but I can see why they might want to be a little more closed. I think a lot of time is spent arguing with community members over things that aren't extremely

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-12 Thread George Brooke
On Thursday 12 March 2009 20:51:47 Eldon Koyle wrote: rant Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the community. I personally do appreciate when they are, but I can see why they might want to be a little more closed. I think a lot of time is spent arguing with

Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team

2009-03-12 Thread Paul Fertser
George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.com writes: On Thursday 12 March 2009 20:51:47 Eldon Koyle wrote: rant ... Thank you very much someone needed to say something along those lines. Would you mind to share your comments on TRIsoft letter as well? -- Be free, use free