Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.
Josh Monson wrote: Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? yes. it's called documentation. Michael/Brenda, Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom will be doing what, no, although i look to the original 4-5 volunteers to lead the effort. if you want to be involved, the procedure should be this: 1. join the documentation mailing list 2. respectfully listen for a bit, to see how the list flows 3. make your offer of assistance, and let the lead volunteers guide you. 4. if you have comments or suggestions, it would be polite to wait a little longer to see how the active participants communicate amongst themselves, how they identify and organize the work, and what they are actually doing. they are probably already aware of whatever comment or idea you have, and it would be impolite to push them. and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I assume? no. i won't be in charge in any strong sense, but i'll be the company representative and will guide only when necessary. i really see the original volunteers as the leaders here. I know this has all come up very quickly so it's totally understandable if there is no plan as of yet :P. Just trying to get coordination rolling. hope this helps Cheers and thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Cc: 'Brenda Wang' Subject: RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation. The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. So... Solutions welcomed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang; steve Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried regular users might edit it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing the main page adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ wiki/Distributions But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the Current software stack link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? Perhaps these 5 categories: Introduction to Openmoko Openmoko Products Join Openmoko development Openmoko community Getting started with Openmoko Wiki should be extended with the addition of Openmoko software? Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the Introduction to Openmoko to include the link to Distributions? As a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it belongs to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you wish me to feel free. Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: Brenda The main page index does not address Scotts issue. I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. A good start would be a better search engine Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: Perhaps this is what you seek? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the
Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.
On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:13 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Josh Monson wrote: Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? yes. it's called documentation. Michael/Brenda, Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom will be doing what, no, although i look to the original 4-5 volunteers to lead the effort. and Brenda. In fact she has been actively 'leading' since day 1, before any of these discussions started. if you want to be involved, the procedure should be this: 1. join the documentation mailing list 2. respectfully listen for a bit, to see how the list flows 3. make your offer of assistance, and let the lead volunteers guide you. 4. if you have comments or suggestions, it would be polite to wait a little longer to see how the active participants communicate amongst themselves, how they identify and organize the work, and what they are actually doing. they are probably already aware of whatever comment or idea you have, and it would be impolite to push them. and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I assume? no. Brenda is our official editor. She may not be coordinating, but she will be around, giving guidance even if needed. We have an internal effort to get content out of the wiki into a static page on openmoko.com referencing development and how to get started with the platform. Similar to: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide . Brenda will lead this effort. If there are any ideas on what should or should not be in this material please pass it on to her. We see openmoko.com as an important place for newcomers to get a glimpse of what we are about, not just what we sell. Adding community efforts from the wiki just seemed like the next logical upgrade. Regards, Will ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.
William Lai ??: On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:13 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Josh Monson wrote: Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? yes. it's called documentation. Michael/Brenda, Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom will be doing what, no, although i look to the original 4-5 volunteers to lead the effort. and Brenda. In fact she has been actively 'leading' since day 1, before any of these discussions started. if you want to be involved, the procedure should be this: 1. join the documentation mailing list 2. respectfully listen for a bit, to see how the list flows 3. make your offer of assistance, and let the lead volunteers guide you. 4. if you have comments or suggestions, it would be polite to wait a little longer to see how the active participants communicate amongst themselves, how they identify and organize the work, and what they are actually doing. they are probably already aware of whatever comment or idea you have, and it would be impolite to push them. and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I assume? no. Brenda is our official editor. She may not be coordinating, but she will be around, giving guidance even if needed. We have an internal effort to get content out of the wiki into a static page on openmoko.com referencing development and how to get started with the platform. Similar to: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide. Brenda will lead this effort. If there are any ideas on what should or should not be in this material please pass it on to her. We see openmoko.com as an important place for newcomers to get a glimpse of what we are about, not just what we sell. Adding community efforts from the wiki just seemed like the next logical upgrade. Regards, Will Yes Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.
Yes. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/022628.html Josh Monson wrote: Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? Michael/Brenda, Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom will be doing what, and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I assume? I know this has all come up very quickly so it's totally understandable if there is no plan as of yet :P. Just trying to get coordination rolling. Cheers and thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Cc: 'Brenda Wang' Subject: RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation. The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. So... Solutions welcomed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang; steve Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried regular users might edit it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing the main page adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ wiki/Distributions But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the Current software stack link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? Perhaps these 5 categories: Introduction to Openmoko Openmoko Products Join Openmoko development Openmoko community Getting started with Openmoko Wiki should be extended with the addition of Openmoko software? Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the Introduction to Openmoko to include the link to Distributions? As a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it belongs to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you wish me to feel free. Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: Brenda The main page index does not address Scotts issue. I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. A good start would be a better search engine Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: Perhaps this is what you seek? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the search engine, it sucks.. I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things instead of thwarting you. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list
RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation.
Has the list been created? The wiki-editors mailing list? Michael/Brenda, Is there any type of organizational plan at this point in terms of whom will be doing what, and will Brenda be coordinating the efforts I assume? I know this has all come up very quickly so it's totally understandable if there is no plan as of yet :P. Just trying to get coordination rolling. Cheers and thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:24 PM To: 'Steven **'; 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Cc: 'Brenda Wang' Subject: RE: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostlyoutdated and incomplete documentation. The issue is the wiki grows like a weed. On one hand this is great since information just get posted. On the other hand this rhapsodic construction is difficult to navigate. So... Solutions welcomed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:29 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: Brenda Wang; steve Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. I'll tell you explicitly. Go ahead. It's a wiki! If anyone doesn't like your change, they can easily see the history and revert it. Or just clean up your change however they like. That's what makes the wiki so powerful. If they didn't want you to edit it, I'm pretty sure they could lock it down so that you can't. The fact that they haven't seems to mean they aren't worried regular users might edit it. -Steven On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I thought to try fixing a small part of this particular problem by editing the main page adding a link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/ wiki/Distributions But I do not see where to put it! Perhaps it should replace the Current software stack link to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ NeoSoftwareStack ?? Perhaps these 5 categories: Introduction to Openmoko Openmoko Products Join Openmoko development Openmoko community Getting started with Openmoko Wiki should be extended with the addition of Openmoko software? Or perhaps I should just get my hands dirty and change the Introduction to Openmoko to include the link to Distributions? As a user I feel reluctant to edit the main page as I feel it belongs to Openmoko the company or to Brenda, so you must tell me explicitly if you wish me to feel free. Stroller. On 17 Jul 2008, at 20:00, steve wrote: Brenda The main page index does not address Scotts issue. I second scott's criticism of the wiki. It is not organized well. A good start would be a better search engine Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Wang Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: In the press. The OpenMoko wiki - a tangled pile of mostly outdated and incomplete documentation. Hi, I am wiki full time editor of Openmoko. Thank you for your opinion . I will put more effort , to make wiki more easy to use. And now , If you want to know what we have on wiki , Please use this Index page. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Brenda Scott Derrick ??: Perhaps this is what you seek? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions This is a great page, one of the gems hidden in the bowels of the OM Wiki. Its also a great example of whats wrong with the Wiki. But how do I find it? Its not listed on the home page, not on the FreeRunner page, not on the getting started page?Unless I search for exactly teh right word or combinations of words I would never know it existed... The only link I could find, after I knew it existed was Software/distributions/distributions.. There has to be some kind of boiler plate format for the design and layout of the Wiki so things are easier to find. You can't rely on the search engine, it sucks.. I think that was the point of the person who recommended the OpenWRT Wiki. Its design and format was easy to use and helped you find things instead of thwarting you. Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
