Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread Matthias Huber
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:47:27 +0100 Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de said: Laszlo KREKACS schrieb: To not confuse with window changing, I would suggest the following scenario: 1. double click for launching an app why double click

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread Matthias Huber
Laszlo KREKACS schrieb: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: that's exact what i told you, what openbox has: they say: if movement number_pixels then its click, if movement = pixels, its slide. in your case, one could hava a hysteresis over

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: that's exact what i told you, what openbox has: they say: if movement number_pixels then its click, if movement = pixels, its slide. in your case, one could hava a hysteresis over the time: if a single

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/10/31 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com you pressed just once - or you think you did. but you actually had a press, a release, and a press , release etc. again because your pressure went above, below and above the pressure level needed to register a click. What's the pressure

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:34:17 +0100 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com said: On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de wrote: that's exact what i told you, what openbox has: they say: if movement number_pixels then its click, if movement =

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:21:13 +0100 Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:47:27 +0100 Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de said: Laszlo KREKACS schrieb: To not confuse with window

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:38:59 +0100 Michal Brzozowski ruso...@poczta.fm said: 2009/10/31 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com you pressed just once - or you think you did. but you actually had a press, a release, and a press , release etc. again because your pressure went above, below

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-30 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
To not confuse with window changing, I would suggest the following scenario: 1. double click for launching an app why double click ? for me, i am using double click for a menu and a single click for starting the app. Because when sliding, you can have accidental clicks. I know it from the

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-30 Thread Matthias Huber
Laszlo KREKACS schrieb: To not confuse with window changing, I would suggest the following scenario: 1. double click for launching an app why double click ? for me, i am using double click for a menu and a single click for starting the app. Because when sliding, you can have accidental

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:47:27 +0100 Matthias Huber matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de said: Laszlo KREKACS schrieb: To not confuse with window changing, I would suggest the following scenario: 1. double click for launching an app why double click ? for me, i am using double click for a

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Petr Vanek
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:42:16 +1100 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com (CH(R) wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:27:03 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de said: The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some simple widgets, scroll the

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Petr Vanek
lots of alpha blending - if you have the 16bit engine you get no scale cache (thats 32bit engine only). but worst.. is the font style. check carefully. text has a soft dropshadow. that is drawn by 1. drawing the shadow first and that draw 25 copies of the text with very faint alpha. THEN draw

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Bernd Prünster
Petr Vanek wrote: lots of alpha blending - if you have the 16bit engine you get no scale cache (thats 32bit engine only). but worst.. is the font style. check carefully. text has a soft dropshadow. that is drawn by 1. drawing the shadow first and that draw 25 copies of the text with very

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:37:06 +0100 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz said: @Bernd Prünster: you are already very good with this, it would be good to see the difference, if not used already... mind to try the above in gry* ? gry* doesnt use dropshadow, it was one of the forst thigs i kicked

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:12:29 +0100 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com said: Petr Vanek wrote: lots of alpha blending - if you have the 16bit engine you get no scale cache (thats 32bit engine only). but worst.. is the font style. check carefully. text has a soft dropshadow. that is

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Petr Vanek
CH(R btw can you already change the background image in Illume settings? i CH(R still get the Enlightenment was unable to import the image due to CH(R conversion errors ? CH(R CH(R u are probably missing edje_cc from the distro thanks, this was it. i have already reported it distro

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Bernd Prünster
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: gry* doesnt use dropshadow, it was one of the forst thigs i kicked out, gry* uses a white outline on black text. but thats something thats bugging me. i have to make some tests... even that can be slow. in this case, the text will be drawn 5

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Neil Jerram
2009/10/28 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de: Why do all of you insist on using scrolling as the only metaphor to present excerpts of large content? Given the physical size of the display and the hardware constraints (touchscreen jitter, for a start... not going to comment on the

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it would be more usable (instead of having to scroll) to have multiple pages of icons, which you switch between using the same and as for switching between apps.  (i.e. each icon page acts like another app)

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Warren Baird
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:44 AM, ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: Reading an ebook or looking a webpage or a map is better with scrolling I guess. I've been using my FR with ePdfView to read books quite a bit lately, and I always read a full screen of text and then click on the scrollbar to

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread Matthias Huber
Laszlo KREKACS schrieb: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it would be more usable (instead of having to scroll) to have multiple pages of icons, which you switch between using the same and as for switching between apps. (i.e. each

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:38:46 +0100 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com said: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: gry* doesnt use dropshadow, it was one of the forst thigs i kicked out, gry* uses a white outline on black text. but thats something thats bugging me. i have to make

Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you always need to scroll) Why do all of you insist on using scrolling as the only metaphor to present excerpts of large content? Given the physical

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:27:03 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de said: The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you always need to scroll) Why do all of you insist on

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de wrote: The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you always need to scroll) Why do all of you insist on using

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread rixed
-[ Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ] [scrolling] There are other metaphors available that would fit the device's strengths much better. What about paging? Reading an ebook or looking a webpage or a map is better with scrolling I guess. Apart from that, you

Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

2009-10-28 Thread pike
Hi [scrolling] There are other metaphors available that would fit the device's strengths much better. What about paging? +1 for paging. mind you, I dont need a button for paging, a gesture could do it. which makes it feel very much like scrolling again, but then more solid. $2c, *-pike