Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Of course I won't change my buying plans, too ;) Also my Nokia N80 do the same, so this won't be a problem for me! Ugo Raffaele - Original Message - From: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:32 AM Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status Ugo Raffaele wrote: I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Mhmmh... This might be a great problem... I heard/understood a completely different thing about the Neo LCD! Anyway I won't change my buying plans, but I'm quite disappointed about this :/. I like sunny days! :D -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ Vuoi essere presente online? Vuoi dare voce alla tua attivita`? Acquista un dominio su http://domini.interfree.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
LOL ^^ Apart from the joke, as soon as possible I'll post here some photos! Ugo Raffaele - Original Message - From: Etienne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status You guys in Italy have a too bright sun ! I'm jealous ! Selon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Ugo Raffaele Vuoi essere presente online? Vuoi dare voce alla tua attivita`? Acquista un dominio su http://domini.interfree.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Hi, A single word: thank you all OM guys to share with us your internal schedule. We all have to be patient and understand that things not always run as planned. And weeks have only 5 days :) Working for a software company implied in large projects, I know what this means :) It's great that you share with us this manufacturing status, please keep us updated on future steps. I guess we would all love to know the outcomes of these PVT rounds. Sebastien. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 19:24:30 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Ian, Since I'm in California and the factory is in China, it's a little difficult for me to know exactly what the plan is and where there are concerns and weaknesses. I know it's probably too late, but will the screen on the FreeRunner be the same as the one on the Neo 1973 ? Because if that's the case - has anyone actually tried using the phone outside, in broad daylight, in the sun ? It might just be me, but I personally find it hard to find the buttons on the screen due to the glare of the screen. Unless the reviewers only test the phone inside an office, it's going to be difficult to sell the device to general consumers, even once the software is finished. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Ugo Raffaele - Original Message - From: polz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status On Wednesday 19 March 2008 19:24:30 Michael Shiloh wrote: I know it's probably too late, but will the screen on the FreeRunner be the same as the one on the Neo 1973 ? Because if that's the case - has anyone actually tried using the phone outside, in broad daylight, in the sun ? It might just be me, but I personally find it hard to find the buttons on the screen due to the glare of the screen. Unless the reviewers only test the phone inside an office, it's going to be difficult to sell the device to general consumers, even once the software is finished. Vuoi essere presente online? Vuoi dare voce alla tua attivita`? Acquista un dominio su http://domini.interfree.it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Ugo Raffaele wrote: I agree! One day I brought my Neo at school, going on foot to test the AGPS reicever. It was *very* difficult to read on the screen! Mhmmh... This might be a great problem... I heard/understood a completely different thing about the Neo LCD! Anyway I won't change my buying plans, but I'm quite disappointed about this :/. I like sunny days! :D -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
As I understand your question, it is certainly a ramping up factory thing and not an electronics sourcing tooling thing. Sourcing and tooling was finished a long time ago. That's almost part of the design process, since if parts can't be located, the design must change to use alternate parts. Michael Matt Manjos wrote: I'm not too current on electronics manufacturing, but am I correct in assuming this PVT is more of a ramping-up, factory thing? Or is it more of an electronics sourcing/tooling sort of thing? Also, good luck with the process and I hope it won't be too long before the fun part of being a community manager starts ;) Matt On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Michael Shiloh wrote: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. Right on! This sounds like serious progress. Thanks for the update. Soon I will realize my dream of carrying around a linux machine in my pocket. -- -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Michael Shiloh ha scritto: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The A6 specs/changes from previous version are only these [1] ?! Just to know... Thanks! [1] http://tinyurl.com/35j4gw -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Thank you very much for these good news! Really appreciate your update! :) Daniel On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:29 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Thanks for the update Michael! Good news! looks like you've turned a corner! On 19/03/2008, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you very much for these good news! Really appreciate your update! :) Daniel On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:29 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Tel: 00447809457487 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.happyjames.co.uk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Excellent update. :) Thanks! On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 6:33 AM, James Olney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the update Michael! Good news! looks like you've turned a corner! On 19/03/2008, Daniel Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you very much for these good news! Really appreciate your update! :) Daniel On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:29 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Tel: 00447809457487 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.happyjames.co.uk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Great news! I can't wait to show people 'Hey, my mini-linux computer makes phone calls. Beat that'. - Original Message From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org; steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:55:29 PM Subject: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Awesome update both in progress and content! I realize that you are right in the middle of the crossfire and probably get a lot of flack for things that are mostly out of your control. I put in one email yesterday why I think people get frustrated with the lack of hardware updates. Its because they are given so much insight on the software side of things, but comparatively little on the hardware side of things. Combine that with the fact that (to an extent) any work effort they put into the software can't fully be realized until the hardware is completed. So it definitely puts FIC into an interesting/unique spot. They (from a manufacturing standpoint) probably give out more internal info than most companies, but the above scenario makes it feel like they are being even more tight lipped. Keep up the good work! -Jonathon -Original Message- From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:55:29 -0700 Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Michael Shiloh ha scritto: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The A6 specs/changes from previous version are only these [1] ?! Just to know... Thanks! [1] http://tinyurl.com/35j4gw That's all I'm aware of. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Hi Michael (and Steve), I'm surprised nobody has asked yet: I know Michael himself has admitted that Openmoko has been historically bad at estimating delivery dates, but is there *any* chance on getting an updated timeline now that we have this news about the A5/A6? IE: How long can we (reasonably) expect the design update from A5 to A6 expect to take? Will the PVT take a week? Two weeks? How long will final production take to ramp up and start seeing units make their way to shipping departments? Ian Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. Something that I haven't seen (and looking through the archives I can't find an update for) is what bands is this version going to use? Is it the 900 and the 850 will come out at some indeterminate time afterwards? Or will you be producing both the 850 and the 900 right now? Thank you -- Steven Kurylo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Steven Kurylo wrote: On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. Something that I haven't seen (and looking through the archives I can't find an update for) is what bands is this version going to use? Is it the 900 and the 850 will come out at some indeterminate time afterwards? Or will you be producing both the 850 and the 900 right now? Hi Steven, I believe the intention is to produce both 850 and 900 versions at the same time, although I haven't heard anything specifically about this recently one way or the other. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Hi Ian, Since I'm in California and the factory is in China, it's a little difficult for me to know exactly what the plan is and where there are concerns and weaknesses. As far as I can tell there is some concern that the yield initially may not be as high as we would like, and that some tweaking will be necessary. Until we manufacture a trial run, we won't know whether tweaking will be necessary or how extensive this tweaking needs to be. So, sadly, I don't know how long PVT will take and have no timeline. Perhaps those of you with more mass-production manufacturing experience can speak from your experiences. Michael ian douglas wrote: Hi Michael (and Steve), I'm surprised nobody has asked yet: I know Michael himself has admitted that Openmoko has been historically bad at estimating delivery dates, but is there *any* chance on getting an updated timeline now that we have this news about the A5/A6? IE: How long can we (reasonably) expect the design update from A5 to A6 expect to take? Will the PVT take a week? Two weeks? How long will final production take to ramp up and start seeing units make their way to shipping departments? Ian Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Some points. nearly everyone misses the difference between internal schedules and external schedules. In closed companies you never publish the Internal schedule. Announcing the future product kills the present product. You wait until the cake is fully baked, then you deliver it. Nobody sees your internal slips. Nobody sees the nasty bug it took forever to find. nobody sees the struggle and the hard work. They see the final product. and it is always on time. At Openmoko we choose to do things differently. Everyone on the outside sees the sausage being made. heck they help make the sausage!. Hard core engineers get this. It's very intimidating to have people watch your day to day struggling. It would be easy to be closed and announce new products only when they are finished. We choose a different path. specific questions about PVT. First DVT parts must complete testing. DVT testing is comprehensive. the device is expected to pass. question about A5 and A6. The difference between a5 and A6 is yield related. I don't have the specifics of the change order. An A5 will function exactly like an A6 does. It is Yeild only. sample A6 PCBs are coming into the factory end of march. How long will PVT take? On paper, if everything works according to NOMINAL schedules, then we would schedule 2-3 PVT runs ( run, test, tweak, run,test,tweak, run,test,tweak) If my product were the only product we built and if all tests were nominal, that would take a couple weeks. Then comes production. This too needs to be scheduled. If I guess at this stage I put huge pressure on engineering when they are trying to perfect this device. what is the point in that? The next significant Milestone will be the first PVT run. I'll update folks when that happens -Original Message- From: Michael Shiloh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:25 AM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Cc: steve Subject: Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status Hi Ian, Since I'm in California and the factory is in China, it's a little difficult for me to know exactly what the plan is and where there are concerns and weaknesses. As far as I can tell there is some concern that the yield initially may not be as high as we would like, and that some tweaking will be necessary. Until we manufacture a trial run, we won't know whether tweaking will be necessary or how extensive this tweaking needs to be. So, sadly, I don't know how long PVT will take and have no timeline. Perhaps those of you with more mass-production manufacturing experience can speak from your experiences. Michael ian douglas wrote: Hi Michael (and Steve), I'm surprised nobody has asked yet: I know Michael himself has admitted that Openmoko has been historically bad at estimating delivery dates, but is there *any* chance on getting an updated timeline now that we have this news about the A5/A6? IE: How long can we (reasonably) expect the design update from A5 to A6 expect to take? Will the PVT take a week? Two weeks? How long will final production take to ramp up and start seeing units make their way to shipping departments? Ian Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
I'm not too current on electronics manufacturing, but am I correct in assuming this PVT is more of a ramping-up, factory thing? Or is it more of an electronics sourcing/tooling sort of thing? Also, good luck with the process and I hope it won't be too long before the fun part of being a community manager starts ;) Matt On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I just received a status report from our VP of Marketing, Steve Mosher: The Freerunner design is currently staged to go through Production Validation Test (PVT). The hardware design A5 is, we believe, solid. We are updating this design to A6 to maximize production yields. The purpose of PVT is to make sure the yield is high enough, and to make sure the manufacturing and testing process is smooth and efficient. Steve also welcomes direct contact from you. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner manufacturing status
Matt Manjos wrote: I'm not too current on electronics manufacturing, but am I correct in assuming this PVT is more of a ramping-up, factory thing? Or is it more of an electronics sourcing/tooling sort of thing? PVT is typically the final test build before actual hardware production starts. It's done on the real factory line, and the devices produced are (in theory) identical to the ultimate product. If they go to an A6, I'd expect another PVT run to prove things out with that before they start making the devices in earnest. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
