On Sunday 08 June 2008 02:28:42 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
significantly more
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:40:24 +0200 Holger Freyther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Sunday 08 June 2008 02:28:42 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please, please, please, please, please don't drop to a QVGA LCD on
future OM phones. The beautiful full VGA screens on the neo and
Freerunner are just about the only piece of hardware they have which
is better than what you
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 19:15:09 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Thanks for the response and don't take this the wrong way but it doesn't
really answer my question. :)
Openmoko could take these sweet spec components and do stuff with them.
That would lead to increased sales for
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 13:03:59 +0800 Simon Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
The big companies making these hi-tech electronic parts are probably
only interested in orders it the hundred of thousands if not millions of
parts.
500k+ are the order sizes. often in multi-millions. that is what
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 03:58:51 +0200 Marcel Wirth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
japanese phones are all about tech specs - and that's it. well that and
looking sexy (nice design/cases). usability is pretty poor. their software
and ui's are atrocious
On Sunday 08 June 2008 14:23:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
500k+ are the order sizes. often in multi-millions. that is what they
start dealing with. it's like going to cost-co who sell beer by the case
and going but we only want 1 bottle! (sorry - buy the case, or go
somewhere else). :)
So there
The number I heard was a first run of 3000... ;) (and 100 prototype
devices before that)
Ortwin
On 6/8/08, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 08 June 2008 14:23:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
500k+ are the order sizes. often in multi-millions. that is what they
start dealing with.
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:26:16 +0200 Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Sunday 08 June 2008 14:23:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
500k+ are the order sizes. often in multi-millions. that is what they
start dealing with. it's like going to cost-co who sell beer by the case
and going but
0n Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:46:57PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
since we'e
Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
significantly more than the rest on phones so they're a better market
for manufacturers or could openmoko steal a lead here in the rest of the
world?
Might
On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:19:08 -0700 Dave O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Just out of interest, why don't other countries get access to these
components sooner? Why do Japanese consumers get them first? Do they pay
significantly more than the rest on phones so they're a better market
for
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 16:51:37 +0800 Wilkinson, Alex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
0n Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:46:57PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
japanese phones are all about tech specs - and that's it. well that and looking
sexy (nice design/cases). usability is pretty poor. their software and ui's are
atrocious mostly. but that doesn't matter because they can do the i'm cooler
than you. my phone
Thanks for the response and don't take this the wrong way but it doesn't
really answer my question. :)
Openmoko could take these sweet spec components and do stuff with them.
That would lead to increased sales for these component manufacturers.
It's in their interest to make them, and hopefully
The big companies making these hi-tech electronic parts are probably
only interested in orders it the hundred of thousands if not millions of
parts.
There is less risk to them of intellectual property being stolen or
parts copied having a few customers buying large quantities at low
margins than
Boo, the Glamo seems to kill everything :(
On 6/6/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
at vga.. forget mame and games - they will be doing fullscreen updates. at
vga... no chance (of any decent
(?), and anything
else doesn't fit on high res. It can be done?
Regards
--- El vie, 6/6/08, Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
De: Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo
Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
CC: Tom
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:58:08 +0200 Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
you can just drive it at qvga...
Boo, the Glamo seems to kill everything :(
On 6/6/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X certainly can do that, but AFAIK without specs you can't do hardware
scaling, so using anything different than the screen resolution would be slow
and/or use too much cpu thus drain the battery.
On Friday 06 June 2008 09:08:41 David Samblas Martinez wrote:
Carsten,
There is any posibility
From what I remember of the of the discussions of video playback on the
freerunner on the list, plans are there to offer default video playback in
QVGA mode in the polished software as it is more practical on the current
hardware. Also I may be wrong on this but it should not be impossible for an
But we are able to do to hardware scaling, isn't it? afaik in the long video
play resolution thread this were mentioned (maybe there are differents scale
concepts)
--- El vie, 6/6/08, Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
De: Stefano Cavallari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Yummy new
really does look blocky on the 2.8 vga
Regards
--- El vie, 6/6/08, Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
De: Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo
Para: List for Openmoko community discussion
community@lists.openmoko.org CC: Tom Cooksey
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:18 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
note - qvga really does look blocky on the 2.8 vga
It's looking blocky starting at 2...
Take a look at the newer Nokia phones (E- and N-Series), and you'll even
notice it on _pictures_ of their
On 06/06/08 03:49:22, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
at vga.. forget mame and games - they will be doing fullscreen
updates. at vga... no chance (of any decent framerate). if you don't
believe me... try it when you get
On 6/5/08, Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer
pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:35 +0200 Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Tuesday 03 June 2008 09:06:35 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
Sorry, just how open is the current glamo driver exactly?
the driver is
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:26:25 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that
beggars the imagination.
I think he's talking about
On Wednesday 04 June 2008 21:56:56 Andy Green wrote:
| IMO, OpenMoko's choice of using the the glamo was a big mistake
(Connecting it to a
| shared, 4-bit bus was probably the _biggest_ mistake).
Huh what? It's a 16-bit memory bus, maybe you mean 2^4 ;-) When I
actually use the thing I
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| On Wednesday 04 June 2008 21:56:56 Andy Green wrote:
| | IMO, OpenMoko's choice of using the the glamo was a big mistake
| (Connecting it to a
| | shared, 4-bit bus was probably the _biggest_ mistake).
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On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:57:12 +1000 Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:26:25 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
And they use WINE to run android dev stuff
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:33:58 +0200 Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Wednesday 04 June 2008 21:56:56 Andy Green wrote:
| IMO, OpenMoko's choice of using the the glamo was a big mistake
(Connecting it to a
| shared, 4-bit bus was probably the _biggest_ mistake).
Huh what? It's
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:35 +0200 Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Tuesday 03 June 2008 09:06:35 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
Sorry, just how
On Thursday 05 June 2008 11:29:10 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:33:58 +0200 Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Wednesday 04 June 2008 21:56:56 Andy Green wrote:
| IMO, OpenMoko's choice of using the the glamo was a big mistake
(Connecting it to a
| shared,
On Thursday 05 June 2008 10:29:36 Andy Green wrote:
The Glamo offers normal async memory bus interface which we use, but it
has a bunch of timing constraints. (There is a synchronous burst bus
mode that we don't use because the CPU doesn't support it and adding a
CPLD in there to translate
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| On Thursday 05 June 2008 10:29:36 Andy Green wrote:
| The Glamo offers normal async memory bus interface which we use, but it
| has a bunch of timing constraints. (There is a synchronous burst bus
| mode
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer
pixels you have to fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if
the speed of qvga is worth the loss of
Robert Schuster theBohemian at gmx.net wrote on Tue Jun 3 18:10:18 CEST 2008
Hi.
flexd schrieb:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh lally.singh at gmail.com
babbled:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
On Thursday 05 June 2008 18:05:47 Mark wrote:
Robert Schuster theBohemian at gmx.net wrote on Tue Jun 3 18:10:18 CEST
2008
Hi.
flexd schrieb:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh lally.singh at
gmail.com babbled:
the day nvidia
Somehow I just remember how nice Tie Fighter looked on my computer back
in 1994 - or 1996? With a full fledged VGA resolution. And gouraud shading.
Mhmmm.
If wine happens to run on the om? :-D
Ken Young schrieb:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
quick question - would you prefer a
You know, you are jokingly commenting about this ...
... but i'm fully setting mine up as a mame emulator.
I think that while initially moko is positioned for the technically
experienced, I believe we have a device here that can trully do
something unique - become a portable general computing
On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 05 June 2008 18:05:47 Mark wrote:
Robert Schuster theBohemian at gmx.net wrote on Tue Jun 3 18:10:18 CEST
2008
Hi.
flexd schrieb:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Michael. The only reason I want a Freerunner, is because
it is open.
Open's great. But Open+Powerful would also be nice. I can't be the
Lally Singh wrote:
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/5/08, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Michael. The only reason I want a Freerunner, is because
it is open.
Open's great. But Open+Powerful
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer
pixels you have to fill, the better
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 12:56:00 +0200 Tom Cooksey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
Well... yeah, that's kindof the reason for the initial post! I must have
misunderstood previous posts as I was convinced the glamo was itself attached
to the CPU's SDIO interface. You can understand where I was coming
On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:04:27 -0700 Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
at vga.. forget mame and games - they will be doing fullscreen updates. at
vga... no chance (of any decent framerate). if you don't believe me... try it
when you get one! :)
at qvga though - maybe. also a lot of arcade
On Tuesday 03 June 2008 09:06:35 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
Sorry, just how open is the current glamo driver exactly?
IMO, OpenMoko's choice of using the the glamo was a big mistake (Connecting it
to a
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| On Tuesday 03 June 2008 09:06:35 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
| the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to
take an
| interest :)
|
| Sorry, just how open is the current glamo driver
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
Seen this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7430768.stm
The cost is probably on the order of paraplegia. And I wonder about
the power requirements -- there haven't been significant advances in
battery technology lately.
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, flexd wrote:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
To be honest, (i myself do not really care if the drivers are open or
not, i do not have the require level of geekyness to change them :p) i
couldnt care less if the
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 08:54:20 -0400 Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
With Nouveau, wouldn't it give a future device video performance that
equals or surpasses the current XGlamo?
who says that the chip even resembles the desktop ones in terms of how it can
be driven? just because it bears
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
To be honest, (i myself do not really care if the drivers are open or
not, i do not have
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
yeah.. sounds nice.. shortly after hell has frozen over and nvidia
started supporting any
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM, flexd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
To be honest, (i myself do
Hi.
flexd schrieb:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) skrev:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:12:30 -0400 Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
the day nvidia comes with open drivers for this... we can begin to take an
interest :)
To be honest, (i myself do not really care if the drivers are open
Hi.
thomasg schrieb:
And for those who think android will bring hardware support for new
devices to the FOSS-world: forget about it.
Google doesn't care about open source if it's not used to save costs.
They didn't even release their own from-scratch-software as opensource -
hell, they use
+1
Just the kind of thing I want to hear.
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Robert Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi.
thomasg schrieb:
And for those who think android will bring hardware support for new
devices to the FOSS-world: forget about it.
Google doesn't care about open source
Wow, I didn't know that.
Google does contribute to various open source projects, but they sure as
hell don't seem to drink the punch.
Thanks for the info, that completely defines my view of Android.
And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that
beggars the imagination.
No, you got me wrong in some points. I was talking about Picasa, Google
Earth and the other Google software.
The android SDK is widely open source, so there's nothing wrong about it.
They don't have a chance to push a proprietary SDK out, because nobody would
ever use it as there is no product
Google does contribute to various open source projects, but they sure as
hell don't seem to drink the punch.
Thanks for the info, that completely defines my view of Android.
The kernel still uses the GPL, so they have to respect that. However
the new hardware drivers could be done the same
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that
beggars the imagination.
I think he's talking about other applications. I think picasa uses wine.
and google earth
No, Google Earth is a native Qt application... Only Picasa uses
Seen this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7430768.stm
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/02/nvidia-launches-tegra-hopes-to-change-the-smartphone-mid-game/
The Tegra line will be all-in-one, integrated systems on a chip,
containing an 800MHz ARM CPU, GeForce GPU, image processor, HD video
?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Varga-Háli Dániel
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:13 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: New CPU
Hi!
I don't know if there were any discussion about this. Today I was looking
Hi!
I don't know if there were any discussion about this. Today I was looking at
the processor and I saw (sadly) that it's got only 200-266MHz. Do you think
it is going to enough?
I get the info from:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Processor
I am guessing that the core team is
ti, 2007-05-29 kello 13:13 -0400, Varga-Háli Dániel kirjoitti:
I don't know if there were any discussion about this. Today I was
looking at the processor and I saw (sadly) that it's got only
200-266MHz. Do you think it is going to enough?
Second-hand reports from those lucky enough to have
On Tuesday 29 May 2007 19:52:20 Crane, Matthew wrote:
For a viable commercial product I would expect the CPU to be first of all
the cheapest one that meets the minimal horsepower requirements, and
obviously other considerations, such as power consumption.
From the page, the newly suggested SoC
Yes. Some CPU is few clock cycles on calculations, others are optimized for I/O.
The important thing is how many clock cycles it will use in average on
an instruction.
For video and audio, lets hope it is fast with mathematics.
For power, maybe we can change the freq. with software (something
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