Re: OpenMoko newbie questions
El Thursday, 23 de April de 2009 22:46:48 Foss User va escriure: Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from India and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is the one I should be buying? I will also check http://www.idasystems.net/ they are the India distibutor. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko newbie questions
I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one. 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ? 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own? 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner? Does it boot fast enough? 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it? 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to me. Purchase Options * GSM 900 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD * GSM 850 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from India and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is the one I should be buying? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko newbie questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Foss User wrote: I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one. 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ? When I got mine (last december), it had 2007.x and it stayed there for a few hours, then it got replaced, many times :) 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own? No, and you should also try as many as possible. 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner? Does it boot fast enough? No experience with debian on freerunner, it should be just as fast as others. It all depends on what software you decide to use as a user interface. In my opinion, Qt Extended Improved feels the fastest but i was quite pleased with the recent shr-unstables too. Most phonelike would be the Qt Extended Improved. 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it? This is a hw-issue but there are a few propeller heads which try to circumvent that by sw. 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to me. Purchase Options * GSM 900 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD * GSM 850 ( Promotion, Extras: pouch and headset x 1) $299.00 USD Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from India and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is the one I should be buying? India uses the GSM 900/1800 frequency. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080116131550AASW7Yn http://www.simoncells.com/scripts/gsmzone.asp - -- husku -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknw45QACgkQYntoxOJkGwCePCvupLmuJsOxAbX4Bcyaa0m1 uxcAniD87YN4dSL9KCVbRleRfEvP5zcR =l+AU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko newbie questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one. 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ? 2007.2 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own? Well, 2007.2, despite being the most stable thing Openmoko has delivered, is unsupported and quite buggy - seems that stability wasn't something that they were aiming for. So nobody uses it anymore. 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner? Does it boot fast enough? Fast? Openmoko? I think you have this device confused with one that doesn't suck big fat hairy donkey balls. 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it? The hardware doesn't support it. Or much of anything for that matter. 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to me. Now, I don't know which one I should be going for. I am from India and we use GSM sim cards here. I use Vodafone SIM card. So which is the one I should be buying? You should go for one that doesn't involve giving Openmoko your money. For example, I just bought a blackberry, and it's great! If you buy an Openmoko device, you're buying dead hardware with godawful software from a dishonest company. Avoid. Regards, - - A Happy User. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ8O0wFbVnQRV3OEYRAterAJ9FvpauMcVRou1l3F4HU6GZzcsvZgCeIQpt aeA6YC9rZfrAoTNi8l/2Du4= =nRbx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko newbie questions
O Xoves, 23 de Abril de 2009, Foss User escribiu: I have a few questions on OpenMoko phones. I am planning to buy one. 1. Which is the default OS that comes in OpenMoko: OM 2007 ? Don't know at this moment, but mine came with 2007. I think I booted it one single time... I bough it on august 2008 2. Do you use the default OS or have you flashed soe other OS of your own? Depending on the moment, I have up to 4 OS. I like to try new distributions... At this moment, I have SHR testing on internal memory, and Debian, om2008.12 and om2009 testing on the sd-card. 3. Which OS is known for booting faster than others. I use Debian on my laptop and I would want to know how good Debian is for Freerunner? Does it boot fast enough? SHR from NAND (faster than SD): 2m00sec from om logo to desktop Debian from SD: 3m 50sec from u-boot to lxde desktop OM2008.12 from SD: 1m 05sec from u-boot to desktop OM2009 from SD (early testing image): 2m 40sec from u-boot to paroli All boot times measured with u-boot. Qi is significally faster Android is said to boot in less than one minute with Qi (source: http://www.koolu.org/releases/beta4/README) I have tried some OM2008 fastboot image a lot time ago, which booted in something like 45 secs. But don't think on boot time, think on wake up time. Every modern distro wakes up from suspend in someting between 2 to 5 secs. I use Debian with relative frecuency. Having apt-get on a smartphone is really amazing... and SLOW! ;) But there are a lot of ligh applications which runs smooth enough for using it in this micro laptop :) And you can, of course, open an xterm, and use onscreen keyboard or buy one of these: http://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_22products_id=50 4. Is multi-touch in neo freerunner not availabe because the hardware doesn't support it or is it because the software doesn't support it? No. Screen is not multitouch, but it can be simulated by soft (see linball, for example) 5. In the OpenMoko Neo Freerunner order page I have two options relevant to me. Already answered before ;) -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
Hello thanks a lot for Your answers. I tried latest Qt release (qtextended-4.4.2), according to documentation CSD is supported but I have trouble with using. QtExtented has example application (caller) which shows CSD usage but unfortunately example does not work for me. Also, how I can get source of kernel used in latest Qt delivery (testing-om-gta02-20081029.uImage.bin)? Kind regards Mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Monday 09 March 2009, Mile Davidovic wrote: Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? That'll depend on which distro you're using as they mediate access to the GSM modem differently. 2008.x uses QtExtended but I can't give you any pointers as to how it works beyond that. For distros using the freesmartphone.org dbus API you can use org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel to get a virtual tty, then use pppd to make your CSD connection over that tty as normal. Remember to free the channel after the connection is terminated. That's the theory anyway - I haven't actually tried it! See docs.freesmartphone.org for invocation details. There may be a case for extending the API to include org.freesmartphone.GSM.CSD as well as the existing PDP coverage. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
The latest is 4.4.3 which has a new git repo available for community maintenance. They've added echo fixes in the last couple of days. I think they're using current kernels which have a multitude of fixes too. See this thread for details, many of which will appear towards the end. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/043331.html On Friday 13 March 2009, Mile Davidovic wrote: Hello thanks a lot for Your answers. I tried latest Qt release (qtextended-4.4.2), according to documentation CSD is supported but I have trouble with using. QtExtented has example application (caller) which shows CSD usage but unfortunately example does not work for me. Also, how I can get source of kernel used in latest Qt delivery (testing-om-gta02-20081029.uImage.bin)? Kind regards Mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: On Monday 09 March 2009, Mile Davidovic wrote: Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? That'll depend on which distro you're using as they mediate access to the GSM modem differently. 2008.x uses QtExtended but I can't give you any pointers as to how it works beyond that. For distros using the freesmartphone.org dbus API you can use org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel to get a virtual tty, then use pppd to make your CSD connection over that tty as normal. Remember to free the channel after the connection is terminated. That's the theory anyway - I haven't actually tried it! See docs.freesmartphone.org for invocation details. There may be a case for extending the API to include org.freesmartphone.GSM.CSD as well as the existing PDP coverage. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
Hello What about CSD or data call? What is best way to enable CSD functionality? Regards mile On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/3/9 Mile Davidovic david.moko.comun...@gmail.com: As I am new in this please help me with following: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions page I have read a lot of info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not see any information about OM 2008.12? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_series qt ext is very stable and usable, but because it uses framebuffer, not x11, there are limited applications that can run on it, unless you use the extremely bodgy x11 hack i was quite pleased with 2008.8, but .12 has been a complete pita for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Newbie questions
Hello I would like to start developing application which should use CSD (datacall) capability of GTA02 phone. As I am new in this please help me with following: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributionspage I have read a lot of info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not see any information about OM 2008.12? My second questions is regarding status of CSD, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd CSD is not supported. Do we have any update on this topic? Kind regards Mile ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
2009/3/9 Mile Davidovic david.moko.comun...@gmail.com: As I am new in this please help me with following: On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions page I have read a lot of info regarding various distro (OM 2008.12, FSO, FDOM, QtExt, Android ...). If I want to use GTA02 as every day phone which distro I should chose? According to table on same page Qt Extended is most mature, but I do not see any information about OM 2008.12? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Om_series qt ext is very stable and usable, but because it uses framebuffer, not x11, there are limited applications that can run on it, unless you use the extremely bodgy x11 hack i was quite pleased with 2008.8, but .12 has been a complete pita for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Newbie questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Paulson wrote: for a simple stable phone, i'd start with qt ext and then give shr a go For a simple and stable phone, I'd start with a Nokia... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJtKtYFbVnQRV3OEYRArryAJ4j/4THJ8cUjZcRvCKTLPuWAcBJCQCgvXyv yr7jLbCGOIxXXypDQmZA3zw= =AJvZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
