Re: Nokia N900
yangm wrote: I agree, I think Nokia don't care the driver code is open or close, because it's not the value of nokia, Maybe it's chipset productor's value. Maybe the operator required. Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. I may very well want to upgrade the *kernel*. With that, I need every driver as well. If they aren't provided because they aren't open and Nokia didn't bother with some new kernel release . . . :-( Ordinary users gets this sort of problem too, merely some time later than the power users. Want this interesting piece of software? It needs some new ALSA functionality of 2.6.3x. Plenty of people might be interesting in making that kernel. Some will even package it in some user-friendly package management system. But they can't - because of proprietary concerns. And so the end-user misses opportunities. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. If you don't plan to use anything else than what's already provided, then any phone will do. If you want, for instance, to use Debian on this particular computer we call a phone then anything but an openmoko is worthless. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. If it were applications... you can live without them. Important drivers you can't. This is just to show the fallacy value of it only 2%. Not all parts are of equal worth. Remove those 2% right now and then come back with the experience results. Rui On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:52:20AM +0800, yangm wrote: As I known about N810, 98% code is open. some driver (such as wifi driver), some core component (such as connectivityManager) are private code. It's a really difficault work to write private code without break GPL. 2009/9/1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:00:32PM +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote: Just found the older n800 is supported by OE and mamona runs on it, but I did never care about that and google does not help very much in understanding how much the device is open. Or how much it is not open (a lot WRT drivers): http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary (Calypso and Wifi and it's VERY IMPORTANT too) why do we have to care if Nokia uses proprietary drivers on the N900? ;) Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 10:56:07 DJDAS wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary (Calypso and Wifi and it's VERY IMPORTANT too) why do we have to care if Nokia uses proprietary drivers on the N900? ;) There's a difference between closed firmware providing a standard protocol and a proprietary ASIC providing a closed-source binary driver using a proprietary command language to talk to the hardware. None of the Nxx tablets are fully functional with free software. The FreeRunner is. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:56:07AM +0200, DJDAS wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary (Calypso and Wifi and it's VERY IMPORTANT too) why do we have to care if Nokia uses proprietary drivers on the N900? ;) No, it's firmware running on their chips. If it was the driver than the following command would result in ONE instead of ZERO :) r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted 0 Compare that to: * energy support * wifi * flasher * ... Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
I agree, I think Nokia don't care the driver code is open or close, because it's not the value of nokia, Maybe it's chipset productor's value. Maybe the operator required. Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. 2009/9/1 DJDAS dj...@djdas.net Rui Miguel Silva Seabra ha scritto: I don't care if that code breaks the GPL or not, what I care is that is 2% too much proprietary software because it's 2% VERY IMPORTANT software. Even 2% of Freerunner code is proprietary (Calypso and Wifi and it's VERY IMPORTANT too) why do we have to care if Nokia uses proprietary drivers on the N900? ;) Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On 9/1/09, yangm yangm...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, if you don't plan update update the drvier, you need not care it. That's valid point only for typical users. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900 (charging battery not possible with free software yet)
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org writes: No, it's firmware running on their chips. If it was the driver than the following command would result in ONE instead of ZERO :) You can have drivers in userland too. For example I understood that you can't charge the N900 battery with free software. http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol describes some reverse-engineering efforts on that one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Nikita V. Youshchenkoyo...@debian.org wrote: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=133759 4 [...] I believe this device is running ofono stack, see http://www.ofono.org/ Would be possible to have FSO support it? close documentation of phone module but ofono free sources? other problems (e.g. alsa on HTC dream) ? bootloader/kernels? Just found the older n800 is supported by OE and mamona runs on it, but I did never care about that and google does not help very much in understanding how much the device is open. Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:00:32PM +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote: Just found the older n800 is supported by OE and mamona runs on it, but I did never care about that and google does not help very much in understanding how much the device is open. Or how much it is not open (a lot WRT drivers): http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
As I known about N810, 98% code is open. some driver (such as wifi driver), some core component (such as connectivityManager) are private code. It's a really difficault work to write private code without break GPL. 2009/9/1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 07:00:32PM +0200, Nicola Mfb wrote: Just found the older n800 is supported by OE and mamona runs on it, but I did never care about that and google does not help very much in understanding how much the device is open. Or how much it is not open (a lot WRT drivers): http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
It doesn't have ofono: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/ofono.txt Aug 31 07:27:40 PaulFertser Hi, everybody. I (and others) suspect that ofono will be used in the upcoming n900 device. What driver will be used for that, ISI? Is it some userspace library communicating with usb devices via kernel phonet driver? I tried googling before asking ;) Aug 31 07:32:22 akiniemi PaulFertser: oFono isn't part of Maemo 5 yet. The ISI modem plugin needs a lot of work before that can happen. :) Aug 31 07:32:56 PaulFertser akiniemi: we all assumed that one of the reasons for bootsting oFono work is the upcoming device from Nokia... Aug 31 07:33:24 PaulFertser akiniemi: what will it use for telephony then? Aug 31 07:36:37 akiniemi PaulFertser: proprietary stack, built on top of PhoNet Aug 31 07:37:04 akiniemi But oFono is what we're expecting to use in the future. We just haven't been able to say it aloud. ;) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Nokia N900
http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594 I found a screenshot on: http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/telefonia/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-con-maemo-5_29935-10.html where it seems there is a phone app running, but I'm not sure it's a GSM/UMTS call, it may be voip? Some rumors about that? Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On 8/29/09, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1337594 I found a screenshot on: http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/telefonia/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-con-maemo-5_29935-10.html where it seems there is a phone app running, but I'm not sure it's a GSM/UMTS call, it may be voip? Some rumors about that? Regards Nicola It's already known that N900 is UMTS phone, not only internet tablet. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=133759 4 I found a screenshot on: http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/telefonia/nokia-n900-internet-tablet-con-ma emo-5_29935-10.html where it seems there is a phone app running, but I'm not sure it's a GSM/UMTS call, it may be voip? Some rumors about that? I believe this device is running ofono stack, see http://www.ofono.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Nokia N900
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiakseba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/29/09, Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: [...] It's already known that N900 is UMTS phone, not only internet tablet. Yes I know ;) but the last time I checked ofono sources it seemed very incomplete that's the reason for my doubts, as consequence the gui phone part should be incomplete too. It may be he has only support for 3g data connectivity? (is the real question!) Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
