Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-12-04 Thread Ole Tange
On 11/29/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We will have a headphone support. And yes it's mini. Mobile phones have small form factors and lower power usage requirements. All of these contribute to what hardware we select. Again, we are very open to feedback. If enough of you guys wa

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 12/1/06 7:45 AM, "Jeff Andros" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So does this mean that a standard SIM card won't work? Is it one of those > things where you have to cut up your sim card (wonder what do I tell cingular > when I bring THAT in)? or are we just talking about some kind of combo system >

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-30 Thread Jeff Andros
On 11/28/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/28/06 4:34 AM, "Steve Salazar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2. MicroSD: Why? Is the area used by full SD that much larger? To me > this seems like a huge tradeoff because for full size SD there are so many > amazing cards availa

Re: feedback on v2 rabatt idea Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 1:34 AM, "Robert Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But I will assume that this will not work for you: The returned v1s >> are probably worthless to you. So a better way might be to include a >> voucher with a serial number in the v1 package. The voucher will give >> me a discount o

Greetings from Sergei Bubka ;) - Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Ole, Sean! On Thu, 30 Nov 2006, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 11/30/06 12:41 AM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Come to think of it: You should always value your customers and give > > them incentive to buy more from you. So a trade up might apply to the > > v2->v3 transition a

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/30/06 12:41 AM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Come to think of it: You should always value your customers and give > them incentive to buy more from you. So a trade up might apply to the > v2->v3 transition as well. It's an interesting idea. At this point let me just sit on it. I

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 22:16, Stuart Gray wrote: > available, as I am used to getting my phones free on contract, and spending > $350 on a phone I plan to upgrade not too long after would just be mad.Cant > wait though, I am really excited for it. Hopefully all my hopes turn into > reality.

RE: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Stuart Gray
turn into reality. > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:18:41 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > community@lists.openmoko.org> Subject: Re: Open Moko - GPL?> > On 11/29/06, > Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > We're still deciding on how >

feedback on v2 rabatt idea Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Ole! On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Ole Tange wrote: > On 11/29/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 11/29/06 9:18 PM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> /Ole > >> (Who would go for version 1 if there is a trade-up option. Otherwise > >> wait for version 2). > > > >A trad

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
On 11/29/06, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29/11/06, Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Optimal for me: > Pay USD 350 for v1. When v2 is out: Return v1 and get a deduction of > the price of USD 350. > > But I will assume that this will not work for you: The returned v1s > ar

Re: no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread michael
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 11/28/06 7:31 AM, "Robert Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - no bottle opener What!? It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, fold-out bottle opener to open the b

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Dave Crossland
On 29/11/06, Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Optimal for me: Pay USD 350 for v1. When v2 is out: Return v1 and get a deduction of the price of USD 350. But I will assume that this will not work for you: The returned v1s are probably worthless to you. So a better way might be to include a v

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Ole Tange
On 11/29/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/29/06 9:18 PM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /Ole > (Who would go for version 1 if there is a trade-up option. Otherwise > wait for version 2). A trade up option is interesting idea. What exactly do you have in mind? Opt

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/29/06 9:18 PM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > /Ole > (Who would go for version 1 if there is a trade-up option. Otherwise > wait for version 2). A trade up option is interesting idea. What exactly do you have in mind? -Sean ___ OpenMo

Re: no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 7:31 AM, "Robert Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> - no bottle opener >>> >> >> What!? > > It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame > made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, > fold-out bottle opener to open the beer. > Since years I'm waiting

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 7:55 AM, "Robert Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And I hope that you will not unsubscribe, as well, > I proise to write more focused in the future ;) I for one, find your emails quite entertaining. Stuffed full of things that make us think. Please keep up the good work ;-) -Sea

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-29 Thread Ole Tange
On 11/29/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We're still deciding on how open we can be with the hardware. Please keep in mind this is a legal mine field. Every single component we use (expert perhaps the CPU) needs an NDA just to read the datasheet. I would love to see open hardware.

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-28 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/28/06 4:34 AM, "Steve Salazar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (snip software questions...as Mickey answered those wonderfully) > Hardware: > -- > > 1. This is sort of a rhetorical question: Why innovate? Why not just make > semi-knockoffs of very popular existing phone

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Thanks for the quick reply. See my answers in line below (disclaimer: I didn't really delve deeply into these questions so my notion of what I/O is available is foggy and probably contains serious misunderstandings which possibly will render my replies somewhat incoherent) Salve Steve! > 1

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Corey! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Corey wrote: > On Monday 27 November 2006 16:14, Robert Michel wrote: > > > - no bottle opener > > > > What!? A joke. > unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, I overseen a line... Why should I unsubscribe? Because I forgot to say the opener should be dual use - b

Re: no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Marcel de Jong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Michel wrote: > It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame > made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, > fold-out bottle opener to open the beer. > Since years I'm waiting for a mobile with that... > Which real m

no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Corey! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Corey wrote: > On Monday 27 November 2006 16:14, Robert Michel wrote: > > > - no bottle opener > > > > What!? It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, fold-out bottle opener to open the

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Corey
On Monday 27 November 2006 16:14, Robert Michel wrote: > - no bottle opener > What!? unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Steve! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Steve Salazar wrote: > Wow, thanks for all the very quick responses. Sorry if I sounded a little > confrontational or if some of my questions were already answered in other > posts but, you know, you get a little skeptical and this project does > *almost* see

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Hey, now that I read the presentation I feel a little foolish posting a link to ESR's essays :) Oh well. Once again, thanks and good luck. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Steve! > 1. It is mentioned that the gui was designed using gtk. Will the sources > for all the interface be released? For that matter, will the sources for > everything, including the os itself, drivers, etc be released? yes, see the webblog of Harald Welte: http://gnumonks.org/~lafor

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Wow, thanks for all the very quick responses. Sorry if I sounded a little confrontational or if some of my questions were already answered in other posts but, you know, you get a little skeptical and this project does *almost* seem too good to be true (because it sounds that good). Anyway, co

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Steve Salazar wrote: > 1. It is mentioned that the gui was designed using gtk. Will the sources > for all the interface be released? Yes. > For that matter, will the sources for > everything, including the os itself, drivers, etc be released? Yes. > Will > openmoko follow an open development m

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2006/11/27, Steve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: - Camera: People who say don't bother with a 1.3Mpix camera are photographers or otherwise photography enthusiasts. 90% of the people are very happy at 1.3M because at 1.3 you can do photo album sized images with very high quality that most peopl

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Corey schreef: > On Monday 27 November 2006 14:11, Koen Kooi wrote: >> Steve Salazar schreef: >>> - Storage: 1GB minimum integrated SD for running a real linux. >> Kernel 2.6.17.7 isn't real enough for you? ;) >> > > Heheh - when will it become clear

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Corey
On Monday 27 November 2006 14:11, Koen Kooi wrote: > Steve Salazar schreef: > > - Storage: 1GB minimum integrated SD for running a real linux. > > Kernel 2.6.17.7 isn't real enough for you? ;) > Heheh - when will it become clear that: "linux" == kernel && kernel != userland Still, you knew

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Corey
On Monday 27 November 2006 13:34, Steve Salazar wrote: > 3. Why did you not use opie or gpe? > I don't know anything about gpe, but opie uses QT, and QT is GPL - so anything written that uses the QT libraries must therefore also be GPL. GTK is LGPL, so you can use the gtk libraries in your applic

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Salazar schreef: > > Hi. First of all I want to repeat what many others on this list have > already said. I am very excited about the open moko project and the > opportunities it represents. I will be one of the first in line to buy > an open

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Hi. First of all I want to repeat what many others on this list have already said. I am very excited about the open moko project and the opportunities it represents. I will be one of the first in line to buy an openmoko phone when they are available. I have a few questions. Thanks in adv