Re: OpenMoko future.
On 07/29/2007 Jim McDonald wrote: [...] We want to build _the_ best open mobile device in the world. 100% open. Only when we reach this point will our strengths be appreciated by the mainstream user. I understand the thinking here, but the mainstream user will neither know nor care about open source. If a 'phone is available that fixes a lot of the existing hideousness within UIs, if a 'phone is available that allows people to do what they want with it, if a 'phone is available that allows them to make calls at the best prices without suffering the whims of the network operators, *that* is when it will be appreciated by the mainstream user. Of course that I understand that open source is the way that openmoko is going to use to enable these things, and also that without a solid foundation it won't be possible to do so, but there needs to be some focus on getting there rather than just having a cool 'phone. And although we wouldn't expect to sit back for someone else to make this a reality we would hope for support where required. I think that what makes us different (both as a company and a community) is our understanding of FOSS. This is the reason why we created this device and platform. And I think it's our responsibility to educate the general public as to why an open phone is important. Neo (and OpenMoko) will change this industry not because it will scroll or look sexier than the iphone. Not because we will build a better device than Nokia. But because it will allow us all to rewrite (again and again) the rules until we come up with the next thing -- something more than the phone. This is what we mean when we say free your phone. We will turn the phone into something that far excedes the power of what most people (even myself) ever thought possible. FOSS will be the tool that will get us there. We must not forget this. It is our greatest strength. Always, remember the three requirements of making a kick ass brand: focus. focus. focus ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
On 07/30/2007 Mark Arvidson wrote: [snip] Freeing the phone to be a platform, not just a crude, limited tool is where this project needs to go. It may seem like a slow couple of years before this really infects our entire culture, but I think it's inevitable now. Exactly! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
Sébastien Lorquet skrev: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) hello, I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Made me happy... I'm been a little worried by the expectation to sell 100 of thousand or even millions of units from the start. If they happy with geek sail then we geeks will get the time... whether it takes a half year or tree years... to make the OpenMoko platform and apps realy rock! That increase the likelihood of eventual word domination :-) While OpenMoko core team have to make a UI and framework good enough for geeks, that's the main aria where experimentation is needed so it can evolve into something that really rocks. Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. No, not outside the (pretty big) geek scene... but it makes it ready for being known :-) One important point is reputation. If openmoko is known to be a geek phone no one else will get interested in it. And exactly that will happen if it is pushed to the masses while not really good enough for the masses. Personally I think we will have something autumn 2008 or possibly even spring 2008... /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
On Jul 30, 2007, at 4:28 AM, Mark Arvidson wrote: Freeing the phone to be a platform, not just a crude, limited tool is where this project needs to go. It may seem like a slow couple of years before this really infects our entire culture, but I think it's inevitable now. For example, I'm getting an OpenMoko *solely* for the purposes of putting music-creativity applications on it and using it as a portable music machine. The cell phone angle is only going to be interesting to me if its a means of doing a remix, which based on the technical discussions so far, seems quite feasible. ; ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko future.
(This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) hello, I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. Even if our resources are limited, I think we should interest other firms in opensource, to show them the benefits of such technologies. Of course we can't compete with big phone makers, but there is no reason to be afraid of that. Why no distribution deals with carriers? Why not targetting the normal phone market, even if it's a long term goal? Setting such goals will help to motivate developers, It's far more challenging that only for openwrt guys. One important point is reputation. If openmoko is known to be a geek phone no one else will get interested in it. Others developers will comment by themselves. -- Sébastien LORQUET - 이세영 (李世榮) Ingénieur ENSPG 2006 / ENSIMAG-ASI 2007 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:19:18 +0200 Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) hello, I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. Even if our resources are limited, I think we should interest other firms in opensource, to show them the benefits of such technologies. Of course we can't compete with big phone makers, but there is no reason to be afraid of that. Why no distribution deals with carriers? Why not targetting the normal phone market, even if it's a long term goal? Setting such goals will help to motivate developers, It's far more challenging that only for openwrt guys. One important point is reputation. If openmoko is known to be a geek phone no one else will get interested in it. Others developers will comment by themselves. They are planning to sell it to your mom and dad: http://openmoko.com/about-02-roadmap.html So unless they are geeks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
Visti Andresen wrote: Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. They are planning to sell it to your mom and dad: http://openmoko.com/about-02-roadmap.html So unless they are geeks Therein lies the continual struggle between marketing and engineering ;-) -- Rod ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
Rod Whitby wrote: Visti Andresen wrote: Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel) I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :( Targetting geeks only will never help to make OpenMoko known. They are planning to sell it to your mom and dad: http://openmoko.com/about-02-roadmap.html So unless they are geeks Therein lies the continual struggle between marketing and engineering ;-) Ah yes. That said, with a project like this that is very engineering-driven and with engineering being very vocal about what they see as the limits of the project it would be useful to hear a (re)confirmation of the marketing vision to make sure that it is still valid. Sean? Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
On 28 Jul 2007, at 14:49, Jay Vaughan wrote: Fact is: its easier and easier for bright teams to engineer their own hardware, and openmoko is a case in point. lets not forget the open part of this equation, and instead why don't we just leave the future direction of things, indeed, fairly open. more fun for those who want to be part of the effort, less fun for those who want the sandbox bulldozed for a field of soapboxes .. True, it' still early days. I don't believe in hyping things up until you know you can deliver them. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko future.
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I don't see our statements as conflicting. Harald is our lead system level architect. His job is to focus on his task at hand and deliver a stable, high performance system. He's trying to give the geeks what they want first. Which is great, the concern was around the forward-looking statements that there was no interest in a market beyond the niche of people who want an open-source 'phone. Why it was a concern is below... [...] We want to build _the_ best open mobile device in the world. 100% open. Only when we reach this point will our strengths be appreciated by the mainstream user. I understand the thinking here, but the mainstream user will neither know nor care about open source. If a 'phone is available that fixes a lot of the existing hideousness within UIs, if a 'phone is available that allows people to do what they want with it, if a 'phone is available that allows them to make calls at the best prices without suffering the whims of the network operators, *that* is when it will be appreciated by the mainstream user. Of course that I understand that open source is the way that openmoko is going to use to enable these things, and also that without a solid foundation it won't be possible to do so, but there needs to be some focus on getting there rather than just having a cool 'phone. And although we wouldn't expect to sit back for someone else to make this a reality we would hope for support where required. Mark my words, we will make an end user mobile device of which this world has never seen before. Now that is something that I think we can all agree on. And many thanks for the response, it has renewed my enthusiasm in the project (along with finally getting the *!* build system to build and include my binaries in the image :)). -Sean Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko future
I have been very interested in the openmoko development and I see a lot of potential. I was just wondering where the openmoko project is projecting it's self to be in the next 5-10 years. For example will it stick to phones or will it also include PC's? Will it have a server version? I think this could be a real amazing operating system/platform/firmware. You can see Apple and Microsoft jumping all over this 3rd generation UI tools. I think Apple is focusing on the touch and Microsoft on the Voice. I think openmoko is in a unique position to offer both, as I have noticed posts about the sound analyzing also. Wouldn't it be great if you could work on your computer and then on your way home just pick up your neo and start working on it on the bus, train, subway, or when you get home. You could have an openmoko server that your pc connected to, your phone connected to, and you know maybe a future tablet based computer that connected to it. It could manage all your documents. Then you could have a storage space, control backups, data protection, and the list goes on. I wish I knew more about being a developer. I am a student now and am about to start my operating systems class. I hope I will be able to contribute more to the project in the future. I am just wondering what the projects future plans are. Here are some cool links to the touch pad technology. It was a presentation done by Jeff Han and he just finished another one this tuesday I believe but the video is not released yet. Here is the link where you will find the one he did over a year ago. And keep posted for the new one. http://www.ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han It's a cool site any way. Maybe someday openmoko will be presenting there also. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
