[OT] Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am 08.04.2008 um 09:27 schrieb Kevin Zuber: So users have to register in that forum to see the picture in your shop... not really useful :) Well, the forum is great but you are right that we shouldn't require users to subscribe there... while at it, add OpenID support and the forum will be easier to use! / Fredrik Wendt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737
To all those who are frustrated. First of all, please note the recent message from Steve that the Freerunner is already in production rampup (PVT), i.e. the hardware engineering phase is finished. Usually this means just weeks and no longer months until sales can start. But taking your picture of liftoff, and knowing about all those eagerly waiting members on this list who have expected something different, I have worked on a solution for those who have different needs than the Freerunner will fulfill. The best result so far is sort of a 737 Open Linux PDA-Smartphone (when compared to the Neo Dreamliner). While the alternate device lacks WiFi, GPS, USB-Host and the latest kernels, it comes with * Quadband (800/850/1800/1900) * a 1.3Mpix camera * a builtin telescpoe pen * weights just 90g * is mature (i.e. end-user ready incl. power management) and * runs Qtopia (not the latest one) out of the box. I am in discussion with the manufacturer about the SDK and the limitations of openness. But what I have already tried with the sample devices is that it is really possible to install and run Sharp Zaurus binaries and cross-compile some code. Since I don't know if discussing alternatives to the Openmoko fits into the rules of this list, please send me a private mail (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) if you are interested, or follow the links in the signature. With kind regards, Nikolaus Schaller http://www.handheld-linux.com http://groups.google.de/group/org-letux-discuss PS: we plan to add both, the Freerunner and this alternate device to our shop so you have more choice Am 07.04.2008 um 23:58 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: OpenMoko is a brilliant concept. I hope to buy a Freerunner when it's relatively safe to go in the water. Before we jump down the throats of those who express some frustration about how the release schedule has taken longer than we all hoped, here's my non-emotional comment in support of those who are frustrated. I do no know why, but the OpenMoko project (Hardware and software) objectively is dragging out. From the sidelines, it is difficult to judge whether this VIRTUOUS project will or will not achieve liftoff, or will crash off the end of the runway. yes, absolutely, developing in a fully open environment means everybody knows each and every wart along the way. Apple and Steve Jobs did not have that burden, nor do Nokia, or LG, Samsung, Motorola. BUT the OpenMoko project likely does not have enough financial capital and human resource to accomplish its lofty ambitions. I passionately hope I am TOTALLY WRONG. But the track record to date is dodgy at best. -- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com http://twitter.com/rjeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737
Hi, You really should host your pictures on your own server and not include it out of a forum. (e.g. picture http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attachtype=postid=5358 is used in http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%20380 ) So users have to register in that forum to see the picture in your shop... not really useful :) Am Dienstag, den 08.04.2008, 08:16 +0200 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: To all those who are frustrated. First of all, please note the recent message from Steve that the Freerunner is already in production rampup (PVT), i.e. the hardware engineering phase is finished. Usually this means just weeks and no longer months until sales can start. But taking your picture of liftoff, and knowing about all those eagerly waiting members on this list who have expected something different, I have worked on a solution for those who have different needs than the Freerunner will fulfill. The best result so far is sort of a 737 Open Linux PDA-Smartphone (when compared to the Neo Dreamliner). While the alternate device lacks WiFi, GPS, USB-Host and the latest kernels, it comes with * Quadband (800/850/1800/1900) * a 1.3Mpix camera * a builtin telescpoe pen * weights just 90g * is mature (i.e. end-user ready incl. power management) and * runs Qtopia (not the latest one) out of the box. I am in discussion with the manufacturer about the SDK and the limitations of openness. But what I have already tried with the sample devices is that it is really possible to install and run Sharp Zaurus binaries and cross-compile some code. Since I don't know if discussing alternatives to the Openmoko fits into the rules of this list, please send me a private mail (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) if you are interested, or follow the links in the signature. With kind regards, Nikolaus Schaller http://www.handheld-linux.com http://groups.google.de/group/org-letux-discuss PS: we plan to add both, the Freerunner and this alternate device to our shop so you have more choice Am 07.04.2008 um 23:58 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: OpenMoko is a brilliant concept. I hope to buy a Freerunner when it's relatively safe to go in the water. Before we jump down the throats of those who express some frustration about how the release schedule has taken longer than we all hoped, here's my non-emotional comment in support of those who are frustrated. I do no know why, but the OpenMoko project (Hardware and software) objectively is dragging out. From the sidelines, it is difficult to judge whether this VIRTUOUS project will or will not achieve liftoff, or will crash off the end of the runway. yes, absolutely, developing in a fully open environment means everybody knows each and every wart along the way. Apple and Steve Jobs did not have that burden, nor do Nokia, or LG, Samsung, Motorola. BUT the OpenMoko project likely does not have enough financial capital and human resource to accomplish its lofty ambitions. I passionately hope I am TOTALLY WRONG. But the track record to date is dodgy at best. -- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com http://twitter.com/rjeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko project future - Dreamliner vs. 737
Ooops... Must have been done while having some blackout... Am 08.04.2008 um 09:27 schrieb Kevin Zuber: Hi, You really should host your pictures on your own server and not include it out of a forum. (e.g. picture http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?act=attachtype=postid=5358 is used in http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Letux%20380 ) Thanks for this hint... So users have to register in that forum to see the picture in your shop... not really useful :) Well, the forum is great but you are right that we shouldn't require users to subscribe there... Am Dienstag, den 08.04.2008, 08:16 +0200 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: To all those who are frustrated. First of all, please note the recent message from Steve that the Freerunner is already in production rampup (PVT), i.e. the hardware engineering phase is finished. Usually this means just weeks and no longer months until sales can start. But taking your picture of liftoff, and knowing about all those eagerly waiting members on this list who have expected something different, I have worked on a solution for those who have different needs than the Freerunner will fulfill. The best result so far is sort of a 737 Open Linux PDA-Smartphone (when compared to the Neo Dreamliner). While the alternate device lacks WiFi, GPS, USB-Host and the latest kernels, it comes with * Quadband (800/850/1800/1900) * a 1.3Mpix camera * a builtin telescpoe pen * weights just 90g * is mature (i.e. end-user ready incl. power management) and * runs Qtopia (not the latest one) out of the box. I am in discussion with the manufacturer about the SDK and the limitations of openness. But what I have already tried with the sample devices is that it is really possible to install and run Sharp Zaurus binaries and cross-compile some code. Since I don't know if discussing alternatives to the Openmoko fits into the rules of this list, please send me a private mail (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) if you are interested, or follow the links in the signature. With kind regards, Nikolaus Schaller http://www.handheld-linux.com http://groups.google.de/group/org-letux-discuss PS: we plan to add both, the Freerunner and this alternate device to our shop so you have more choice Am 07.04.2008 um 23:58 schrieb Ron K. Jeffries: OpenMoko is a brilliant concept. I hope to buy a Freerunner when it's relatively safe to go in the water. Before we jump down the throats of those who express some frustration about how the release schedule has taken longer than we all hoped, here's my non-emotional comment in support of those who are frustrated. I do no know why, but the OpenMoko project (Hardware and software) objectively is dragging out. From the sidelines, it is difficult to judge whether this VIRTUOUS project will or will not achieve liftoff, or will crash off the end of the runway. yes, absolutely, developing in a fully open environment means everybody knows each and every wart along the way. Apple and Steve Jobs did not have that burden, nor do Nokia, or LG, Samsung, Motorola. BUT the OpenMoko project likely does not have enough financial capital and human resource to accomplish its lofty ambitions. I passionately hope I am TOTALLY WRONG. But the track record to date is dodgy at best. -- Ron K. Jeffries http://blog.eronj.com http://twitter.com/rjeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
