Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results

2012-01-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, January 17, 2012 a las 11:49:00AM +0100, Christoph Pulster escribió: A lot of people gave up and do not want Openmoko phone anymore. The marketing of Openmoko Inc. failed. It was a short-sighted idee to push the news with first open source mobile / free your phone. It

Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results

2012-01-17 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, On 2012-01-17 22:16, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, January 17, 2012 a las 11:49:00AM +0100, Christoph Pulster escribió: A lot of people gave up and do not want Openmoko phone anymore. The marketing of Openmoko Inc. failed. It was a short-sighted idee to push the news with

Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results

2012-01-17 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Am 17.01.2012 um 11:49 schrieb Christoph Pulster: A lot of people gave up and do not want Openmoko phone anymore. The marketing of Openmoko Inc. failed. It was a short-sighted idee to push the news with first open source mobile / free your phone. It resulted in c. 15000 sold units, which

Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results

2012-01-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, January 17, 2012 a las 11:05:22PM +1100, Philip Rhoades escribió: I bought the FR as an experiment and didn't use it day-to-day - I played with every new version and was quite interested in the GPS functionality. Sometime later my old phone died and by then QtMoko was

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
The discussion of the poll run by Lukas suggested to ask for acceptable prices for a new Openmoko device. Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – please take part! We decided to start a poll about which hardware and which software you use or are interested in these days. The results will help us to

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
The cheapest UMTS Android 2.2 device I can currently get in Germany is at 129 EUR (most likely from some overstock clearance). Android phones start around 20 USD at quantity 1000 in China, see HEDY as one example of many http://en.hedy.com.cn/product/mobile.htm Probably not with 3G for 25 USD,

Re: Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results

2012-01-16 Thread neo
Hi Nikolaus, The cheapest UMTS Android 2.2 device I can currently get in Germany is at 129 EUR (most likely from some overstock clearance). Has a 320x240 display, no sensors, no free and open software. No hardware description, no schematics. Appears to be crap and much less featured than the

Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Radek Polak
On Monday 16 January 2012 08:53:04 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. at the current price of the GTA04 group tour (450-500 EUR range) we can expect approx. 30% buyers. This would still mean 6000 of the originally sold GTA02 devices. Hm. We are still far away from this figure with

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Martix
Dne 16.1.2012 09:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napsal(a): Let me describe my first observations from these figures (not deeply elaborated): 1. this result shows that we have a very large bandwidth what we see as an acceptable price. For some of us the current price (which is production cost

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Boudewijn
On Monday 16 January 2012 14:24:38 Martix wrote: Dne 16.1.2012 09:31, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napsal(a): (...) But the poll result indicates this is the way we should go. Really? No. Not if I'm concerned. I wonder how the community thinks it can be done at such low prices? Learn some

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Also Raspberry Pi for $25/$35 is too expensive. The Allwinner A10 board with ARM Cortex-A8 and MALI400MP 3D graphics (with Open Source userspace driver) could be manufactured for $15. That is wishful marketing... The $15 is expected (!) @100k units, not at small numbers in the 100 range:

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 16 January 2012 09:31:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Let me describe my first observations from these figures (not deeply elaborated): 1. this result shows that we have a very large bandwidth what we see as an acceptable price. For some of us the current price (which is

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.01.2012 um 18:43 schrieb Al Johnson: On Monday 16 January 2012 09:31:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Let me describe my first observations from these figures (not deeply elaborated): 1. this result shows that we have a very large bandwidth what we see as an acceptable price.

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2012-01-16 Thread Fernando Martins
On 01/16/2012 09:31 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 3. at the current price of the GTA04 group tour (450-500 EUR range) we can expect approx. 30% buyers. This would still mean 6000 of the originally sold GTA02 devices. Hm. We are still far away from this figure with subscriptions. What are

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-30 Thread urodelo
froyo can't be considered stable (at least as a stable release of a linux distro). However, I use the nand version as my daily phone, knowing some troubles can occur, but without too many problems. Speed for froyo is not its strong point, but it is acceptable if you don't ask to play Call of

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-30 Thread Neil Jerram
Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-) Yes, please do! The community is small enough as

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-30 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 30.12.2011 um 14:14 schrieb Neil Jerram: Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-)

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-29 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com wrote: Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-) AoF? This one?

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-29 Thread Niels Heyvaert
Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-) Niels -- Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house.

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-29 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, Am 29.12.2011 um 13:50 schrieb Niels Heyvaert: Why is AoF is not even mentioned in the distro list is a mystery to me. Believe we should pollute this list more often with pure AoF related topics to keep reminding people it also exists ;-) maybe that not everyone knows what the acronym

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-29 Thread Alishams Hassam
A status update to the community list every now and then would actually be really awesome and go a long way into reminding me to try it. Even just a few months ago, the latest version of Froyo was really slow and crashed more than was acceptable. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:50 AM, Niels Heyvaert

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Lukas, many thanks for these insights! Am 27.12.2011 um 14:24 schrieb Lukas Märdian: On 20.12.2011 16:44, Lukas Märdian wrote: [Crossposting to openmoko-community, shr-user and gta04-owner MLs] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – please take part! We decided to start a poll about which

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, December 28, 2011 a las 12:06:23PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: On the hardware side the Om GTA02 is the clear winner (which was expected). Surprisingly the Goldelico GTA04 is the 2nd most interesting device in this community, even though very few people have

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread fdvjoif
These data are certainly useful but I think that 73 people is a small sample to extrapolate accurate infos about the opinions of the community. Maybe I'm wrong but the poll was not so visible to the community. Firstly I didn't notice it, but perhaps other people like me were busy with their

Re: [Shr-User] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] This was supposed to be sent to community@lists.openmoko.org so resending. Sorry. The poll was open for one week now and we got votes from 73 people. One week? Seriously? You will never get good response, if you set poll time so short, especially during Christmas time. What abut all people

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 28.12.2011 13:21, fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: These data are certainly useful but I think that 73 people is a small sample to extrapolate accurate infos about the opinions of the community. Maybe I'm wrong but the poll was not so visible to the community. Firstly I didn't notice it, but

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread urodelo
On Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:05:38 +0100, Lukas Märdian lukasmaerd...@googlemail.com wrote: On 28.12.2011 13:21, fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: These data are certainly useful but I think that 73 people is a small sample to extrapolate accurate infos about the opinions of the community. Maybe I'm

Re: Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-28 Thread Rafael Ignacio Zurita
--- On Wed, 12/28/11, urodelo urodelomuta...@yahoo.com wrote: Lukas Märdian lukasmaerd...@googlemail.com wrote: On 28.12.2011 13:21, fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: .. I reopend this poll and started the 2nd round, which is announced as top level post on serveral mailinglists. I hope we

Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – Results

2011-12-27 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 20.12.2011 16:44, Lukas Märdian wrote: [Crossposting to openmoko-community, shr-user and gta04-owner MLs] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 – please take part! We decided to start a poll about which hardware and which software you use or are interested in these days. The results will