Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-04 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/3/08, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Hervé, > here is my perspective: > Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation is just > a necessary evil to them, they are trying to get away with the minimum > amount of documentation that will still sell the ch

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-04 Thread herve couvelard
Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Dear Hervé, here is my perspective: >[...;] Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation is engineers can. Again we could only do this with vendors who understand what we are doing, trust us, and generally agree to the idea. We would

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-04 Thread herve couvelard
Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: I think it would be the best way... And why is it not fair? He would be a "real" part of the project. What's wrong with that? Well, why not. i'm not concerned. just to be asked to the chip vendor. ___ Openmoko communi

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-04 Thread herve couvelard
I bet if you could name such a device, they would have no problem in using it for future products. I bet that if my incomes would exclusively depend on producing such a device, i would use time to search for it. Everything i do, or sale, depends on free software (even for drivers), even if

RE: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Crane, Matthew
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Spraul Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo) Dear Hervé, here is my perspective: Most chip vendors see their

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Shawn Rutledge
Could also put an FPGA between the processor and the display, and maybe some developers will figure out how to accelerate the most frequently used drawing functions. Just an idea... I know it's a long shot and probably takes too much power too... but for a while there was an "open" PCI video card

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Dear Hervé, here is my perspective: Most chip vendors see their business in selling chips. Documentation is just a necessary evil to them, they are trying to get away with the minimum amount of documentation that will still sell the chip. Unless in very few cases, chip vendors do not see good

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Sebastian Billaudelle
I think it would be the best way... And why is it not fair? He would be a "real" part of the project. What's wrong with that? cheers Sebastian Am Donnerstag, den 03.04.2008, 23:17 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: > I like this idea, I think this is legally OK and if we are open and > honest abo

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
I like this idea, I think this is legally OK and if we are open and honest about it, may even become an accepted practice known to our vendors. Need to do some more checks on that... Wolfgang On Apr 3, 2008, at 9:44 PM, Harald Welte wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:32:31AM +0100, Tom Cooks

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Reply Header Subject:Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo) Author: herve couvelard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 03rd April 2008 2:21 pm > what if you become part of openmoko? Just sign some kind of work > contract

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread herve couvelard
what if you become part of openmoko? Just sign some kind of work contract (like other freelancers had and still have with openmoko), but with only USD 1 in return for your work, adding a clause that you keep the copyright on your work? This way you are legally part of openmoko, have access to

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-03 Thread Harald Welte
On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:32:31AM +0100, Tom Cooksey wrote: > On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote: > > Please note though, that being one of the persons who drafted the > > wording on the contract between Smedia and OpenMoko: The contract > > contains explicit provisions for OpenMo

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Lorn Potter
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 18:32, Tom Cooksey wrote: > On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote: > > > Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh: > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Gerald A
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > | On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote: > |> There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote: |> There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be |> possible we can write detailed header files for an open driver which |> conta

RE: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Rogen, Mario
nmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 5) Some poor person tries to write a driver without the docs. :-/ There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could the

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote: > There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be > possible we can write detailed header files for an open driver which > contain register and bitfield enums and comments for the 3D unit. If we > did write our own we would

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | 5) Some poor person tries to write a driver without the docs. :-/ There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be possible we can write detailed header files for an open driver which

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-02 Thread Tom Cooksey
On Sunday 30 March 2008 13:42:23 Harald Welte wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote: > > Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh: > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > > > > > >

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-01 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Le dimanche 30 mars 2008 à 13:42 +0200, Harald Welte a écrit : [...] > Please note though, that being one of the persons who drafted the > wording on the contract between Smedia and OpenMoko: The contract > contains explicit provisions for OpenMoko preparing a set of > documentation for the Glamo

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

2008-04-01 Thread Harald Welte
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:46:52PM +0100, joerg wrote: > Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Lally Singh: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Andy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Somebody in the thread at some point said: > > > > > > >> 2. Actually, is there any hope of getting 3d acceleration o